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Post by Final Countdown Jones on May 19, 2023 10:30:05 GMT -5
"Assault is bad" is a complete sentence.
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Post by Kalmia on May 19, 2023 10:32:02 GMT -5
"Assault is bad" is a complete sentence. Right? As soon as you add "but" to anything, you completely negate the meaning and are making excuses.
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Post by Zombie Mod on May 19, 2023 10:33:22 GMT -5
stop embedding tweets with words that go against the filters here. I know proboards sometimes auto embeds links to tweets but do not embed them yourself.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on May 19, 2023 10:35:35 GMT -5
It's all well and good saying "We don't know what happened"...so what did happen? Clearly enough for people to be suspended for months on end and upheave set booking plans and for someone to have their guaranteed hiring taken back and enough for legal talks to hang around all this and nobody able to say much.
All we know is that the press conference happened because that was on a live stream. That's it. And people being all "Well, I said this and didn't say this", great, that's cool. So what did? We can't have these conversations about "Oh, we don't know these people and we don't know the events" without following it up with what actually happened.
EDIT: It's bad coming from people whose job is to literally try and find out what happened. I get what you mean, Zarian, but how does that help when nobody is saying what events are?
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Post by markymark on May 19, 2023 10:36:38 GMT -5
They already booked the United Center for the looks of it but its on hold because of well you guys know lol.
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Post by markymark on May 19, 2023 10:39:19 GMT -5
stop embedding tweets with words that go against the filters here. I know proboards sometimes auto embeds links to tweets but do not embed them yourself.
I really didnt notice the person swore in his 2nd paragraph, I apologize for this screwup.
The intention for posting the persons tweet was just because he share Zarian giving his take about the Ace Steel situation.
Once again im really sorry.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on May 19, 2023 10:40:17 GMT -5
If Steel was "rehired" months ago then why was Impact in talks with him to hire him? That makes 0 sense, the Impact Chicago tapings happened on April 28-29(3 weeks ago) Apparently Impact called Steel to offer him a job but he turned them down. That was the extent of any "talks" between them. And what does the Chicago Impact tapings have to do with anything?
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Post by markymark on May 19, 2023 10:42:27 GMT -5
If Steel was "rehired" months ago then why was Impact in talks with him to hire him? That makes 0 sense, the Impact Chicago tapings happened on April 28-29(3 weeks ago) Apparently Impact called Steel to offer him a job but he turned them down. That was the extent of any "talks" between them. And what does the Chicago Impact tapings have to do with anything?
Because Ace is from Chicago and also friends with Lou(ECW sign guy) and the plan was apparently to bringing him to work there.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on May 19, 2023 10:45:58 GMT -5
Apparently Impact called Steel to offer him a job but he turned them down. That was the extent of any "talks" between them. And what does the Chicago Impact tapings have to do with anything? Because Ace is from Chicago and also friends with Lou(ECW sign guy) and the plan was apparently to bringing him to work there.
But the show being three weeks ago could've easily been something they were approaching people more than a month before to make sure that that was there. I don't think the timeline really disproves anything.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on May 19, 2023 10:46:03 GMT -5
Apparently Impact called Steel to offer him a job but he turned them down. That was the extent of any "talks" between them. And what does the Chicago Impact tapings have to do with anything? Because Ace is from Chicago and also friends with Lou(ECW sign guy) and the plan was apparently to bringing him to work there.
The plan according to who? Every semi-reliable source so far says the only interaction between Steel and Impact was them calling him to offer him a spot but he said no thanks. Then when he turned them down Impact officials rightly or wrongly took that to mean he must be heading to AEW or WWE.
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Post by rajaah on May 19, 2023 10:51:10 GMT -5
"Assault is bad" is a complete sentence. Right? As soon as you add "but" to anything, you completely negate the meaning and are making excuses. There are exceptions to that, like what this guy was saying: Assault is bad, but we don't actually know what happened and we're all on the outside looking in when it comes to this entire saga. Truth is we have no idea who actually did what or why. I don't believe in any way that Omega or the Bucks started fights, aggressed, or instigated anything, but I don't actually know. And since nobody's allowed to talk...well, all we can do is speculate, and it's good to not let your belief system 100% crystalize around things that have not actually been confirmed/proven. History definitely proves that well enough.
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Post by Kalmia on May 19, 2023 10:55:32 GMT -5
Right? As soon as you add "but" to anything, you completely negate the meaning and are making excuses. There are exceptions to that, like what this guy was saying: Assault is bad, but we don't actually know what happened and we're all on the outside looking in when it comes to this entire saga. Truth is we have no idea who actually did what or why. I don't believe in any way that Omega or the Bucks started fights, aggressed, or instigated anything, but I don't actually know. And since nobody's allowed to talk...well, all we can do is speculate, and it's good to not let your belief system 100% crystalize around things that have not actually been confirmed/proven. History definitely proves that well enough. There is no exception to assault being bad. You can say that we don't know the full details without saying "assault is bad, but..." because that just makes it sound like you're making excuses for an assault.
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Post by markymark on May 19, 2023 10:55:49 GMT -5
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on May 19, 2023 11:06:13 GMT -5
Also every single report has said Ace Steel bit Kenny. We saw bite marks on Kenny's arm. He threw a chair into a Young Buck's face. These aren't really disputed details from any side or any account. I feel like we kind of do know that for sure, because you can dispute whatever specific detail of one specific account you want, but the consistent elements through all of them are going to be the most trustworthy ones. And maybe you can justify on-screen talent who's "worth the headache" starting a fight, but your agents? No. I don't care how good he is at his job that's a position with higher expectations and a need to manage people. He threw a chair in one boss's face and bit another. That's not even just taking a swing at someone.
What we definitely know is that assault is bad and that he can't be that good at his job at it if the only reason he was being brought back was to make Punk happy.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on May 19, 2023 11:07:46 GMT -5
It seems all the heavy hitters agree at this point that Steel was brought back in a work from home role (creative for Punk-related stuff?) then recently when legal made it clear he'd never be allowed backstage at Collision shows Punk got pissed.
This part is just my own speculation but maybe he thought the work from home thing was just while Punk was still out then once Punk returned he'd also start going on the road too. The fact he would be put back on the payroll in any capacity just to appease Punk is crazy though. It's probably even more impressive than Hogan getting Impact to hire the Nasty Boys in 2010 because even Knobs hadn't bitten an executive beforehand.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on May 19, 2023 11:11:09 GMT -5
Okay well there it is we have universal confirmation I'm making the threatened Khan thread
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Post by wankah on May 19, 2023 11:12:19 GMT -5
Yeah, assault is bad, but what do we know? Might've been the case that Kenny was swinging a wild arm jab at Ace's teeth.
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Post by rajaah on May 19, 2023 11:36:06 GMT -5
My point is that I don't think "but" universally cancels out whatever is before it.
Detective finding Theon's body: "Assault is bad, but apparently he murdered John Wick's dog"
Unless we're operating under the assumption that John Wick was wrong. Is that what you're telling me?
Regardless, Spike McFang over here totally bit Kenny's arm and even if it's because Kenny had him in a headlock I'm 99% sure Kenny only did that to restrain him. So F that guy and I hope he isn't actually rehired because that's the kind of thing that might make Kenny actually consider WWE.
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Post by polarbearpete on May 19, 2023 11:37:44 GMT -5
Meltzer seemingly confirmed that Punk would first feud with Joe, and then a title program with MJF was (is?) planned, built predominantly on Collision.
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Post by wankah on May 19, 2023 11:39:22 GMT -5
If he's(Punk) still gonna show up for that collision debut, they should change that stupid "second coming" name to "assault is bad, but...".
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