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Post by Facetious on Jul 30, 2023 13:49:56 GMT -5
Well, that was a fun read!
Anywho, this storyline is garbage. I honestly don't understand what I'm supposed to do as a fan. Am I supposed to cheer Starks who is cutting corners to get ahead in the company or Punk who is a little bitch crying like a 10 year old about Starks cheating and calling himself the REAL WORLD CHAMP?
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Post by The Ichi on Jul 30, 2023 14:27:05 GMT -5
Honestly, I still hate the idea of Punk VS. MJF at All In UNLESS they do a double turn that night.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jul 30, 2023 14:41:50 GMT -5
Honestly, I still hate the idea of Punk VS. MJF at All In UNLESS they do a double turn that night. I can't imagine skipping a show harder than I can a 2023 PPV headlined by Punk vs. MJF without it being in Saudi Arabia. Two genuine shitbags who are boring as hell as characters having a match when their previous one in Chicago did nothing for me in the first place, hard pass on every single facet of that. That happens I'm hoping somewhere along the way AEW had a secret Money in the Bank match so someone actually watchable can get the belt. |
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Post by Art Thoubored?!? on Jul 30, 2023 14:44:14 GMT -5
Am I supposed to cheer Starks who is cutting corners to get ahead in the company or Punk who is a little bitch crying like a 10 year old about Starks cheating and calling himself the REAL WORLD CHAMP? Yes, according to Tony Khan. |
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Post by cjb01: Limited Edition Item! on Jul 30, 2023 16:34:22 GMT -5
Other than Punk is anyone treating this like an actual title? The crowd treated Punk like a heel tonight and he went back to his "i'm better you" straight edge talk which is pretty deliberately heelish Tony Kahn announced after Brawl Out that all four were stripped of their titles. Kayfabe wise I'd put this "title" just above the FTW belt. I'm just glad Ricky is being featured regularly in a major Angie. AEW put up a tweet with 'Real World Championship' in it. Yeah, and to me, if you call something "THE REAL WORLD TITLE" it only further reiterates it's not the real world title If you have to call something the real title, it's just telling everyone you have to compensate, not that it's the actual world title, which it isn't. |
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Post by cjb01: Limited Edition Item! on Jul 30, 2023 16:36:55 GMT -5
My main problem right now is that Punk's booking is an absolute mess. His promo last night was narratively complete trash. He comes out to a face reaction and spends the first part of his promo telling the crowd how happy he is to be there and how he'll always turn out for his fans. And he's being completely genuine with this. There's no MJF-style tongue-in-cheek sarcasm. The middle of the promo (as well as being a mess) is heel to the point that the once-cheering crowd starts booing him. Then he finishes by saying he has a guest referee for his rematch with Starks and he's picked notoriously babyface and fair Ricky Steamboat, which is the actions of a babyface again. I really wish he would just pick a lane and stick to it. This shit is exhausting when Punk does it and it was exhausting when Cena and Cody did it too. Get past Punk's excellent delivery and actually listen to what he's saying and it's a disjointed mess in a way that his first AEW run wasn't. Messy, narratively complete trash, disjointed promo? Wow, for his current run Punk really *is* leaning into Cena's schtick. Isn't that AEW Codyverse's shtick more than Cena?  |
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Jul 30, 2023 16:54:55 GMT -5
Honestly, I still hate the idea of Punk VS. MJF at All In UNLESS they do a double turn that night. I wonder if we get the rare triple turn if they do a triple threat with Adam Cole. That would be crazy. |
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Post by Kalmia on Jul 30, 2023 17:12:32 GMT -5
Oh no, Punk has more muffins (check his latest Instagram story)
Quick, someone hide all of the mics and lock the doors.
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Post by markymark on Jul 30, 2023 17:25:04 GMT -5
Honestly, I still hate the idea of Punk VS. MJF at All In UNLESS they do a double turn that night.
I would do it at All Out, redo the Wrestlemania 17 ending, with either Callis or Roddy being in the Vince spot helping Punk beat MJF or go full Rocky 4 , which would be ironic because last year they used Rocky 3 as reference 
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Post by polarbearpete on Jul 30, 2023 17:29:10 GMT -5
Yes we’re all marks that think he’s a bad dude purely based on his recent booking. Nothing to do with his past in-real-life questionable behavior. If we held every wrestler to the same standard as Punk, there would be hardly any wrestlers to like. Look at the visceral reaction to how he’s booked. People hate him. In a way we hardly ever see. And that’s okay! I like when people feel strongly about wrestling. The magic has returned. People don’t like him because of the outside of the ring stuff. We’re not really believing that there’s some type of bias against CM Punk of all people, are we? The same guy that people would make the argument and say “if it was CM Punk that did [insert bad thing] you wouldn’t care” because of how beloved he was by the “IWC.” |
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Post by markymark on Jul 30, 2023 17:31:27 GMT -5
Well lets see if he mentions Punk or takes a jab at him....
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Post by Mr Mario Mario on Jul 30, 2023 18:25:31 GMT -5
I do genuinely think that you can have opinions and not have particularly strong feelings like I think Punk is a b**** in every possible way but ultimately I’m not gonna get worked up about it
Dis-interest in Punk is the best way to deal with him if you don’t like the guy. Giving him any kind of reaction is what the guy wants
Of course if you are still a Punk fan, whilst I really don’t get it. Fill your boots and cheer away. You do you is what I say
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Post by markymark on Jul 30, 2023 18:31:02 GMT -5
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Post by The Ichi on Jul 30, 2023 18:42:57 GMT -5
Yes we’re all marks that think he’s a bad dude purely based on his recent booking. Nothing to do with his past in-real-life questionable behavior. If we held every wrestler to the same standard as Punk, there would be hardly any wrestlers to like. The thing is, for as many wrestlers that are shit bags IRL, there's actually a very small percentage whose shit bagginess bleeds onto the product and has actually done harm to it. The ones that do try that we don't hear about them again besides maybe the most small time indies that will take them. That's what separates Punk from other shit bags. He's not only a grade A shit bag, his shit bag nature affected the booking of AEW and still continues to because there's a huge split in the roster because he gets to be separated from the meanies that ran into his fists and gets put straight back into the title picture without so much as having to apologise or show any redemption. There is no wrestler right now "the same standard as Punk", because nobody else has thrown their toys out of the pram as much as he did and be rewarded for it. |
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Post by Ronny Rayguns Is All Elite on Jul 30, 2023 20:47:46 GMT -5
OK, if that was intentional for him to be seen out sneaking about in the background for that shot/segment that's actually pretty good foreshadowing of something |
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Post by tenshi on Jul 30, 2023 20:47:51 GMT -5
This is from Wade Keller(reported almost 2 weeks ago) A big critique about AEW is that it's a place where people get in positions of power and get preferential treatment for themselves and their buddies. People like The Elite and Jericho are usually mentioned as examples of this so it's good to see that Tony Khan is "beating the allegations" by putting CM Punk in a position of power and gets preferential treatment for him and his friends... |
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Post by DichEvans on Jul 30, 2023 20:51:54 GMT -5
This entire thread is so weird.
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Post by cjb01: Limited Edition Item! on Jul 30, 2023 21:36:31 GMT -5
If we held every wrestler to the same standard as Punk, there would be hardly any wrestlers to like. The thing is, for as many wrestlers that are shit bags IRL, there's actually a very small percentage whose shit bagginess bleeds onto the product and has actually done harm to it. The ones that do try that we don't hear about them again besides maybe the most small time indies that will take them. That's what separates Punk from other shit bags. He's not only a grade A shit bag, his shit bag nature affected the booking of AEW and still continues to because there's a huge split in the roster because he gets to be separated from the meanies that ran into his fists and gets put straight back into the title picture without so much as having to apologise or show any redemption. There is no wrestler right now "the same standard as Punk", because nobody else has thrown their toys out of the pram as much as he did and be rewarded for it. I get the point you're trying to make here in terms of Punk's attitude and how he should have been held more accountable for his actions, but in the end, his effects on AEW have been minimal, The Elite and him are now operating completely fine, as is AEW with another healthy 2 hour show on their way to an 80K plus event. They are doing maybe their best year as a whole when it comes to their growth. Also if we're talking about shitbag wrestlers whose shit bagginess didn't bleed onto a product and hurt it and were never heard from again? Hogan in WCW existed, Russo in WCW Existed, Peak Dixie TNA existed, Victory Road 2011 was an unfortunate experience, there have been a lot of instances of irl dumbassery effecting the onscreen product, CM Punk's was most recent so it seems the most egregious, but he is far from the first, and sadly likely won't even be the last. He's not as separated as you think. And he's also far from the first or last person to throw a fit and get no consequences for his actions or get rewarded... if he didn't bring anything to the table, he would have been cast aside, that's what he's shown however, that he still does bring plenty to the table, or they wouldn't have even given him a second glance for what he did. I'm not saying any of this is right by the way, it's just the nature of this beast. I think in the end, if you were to truly ask me? Scrumgate was stupid, the situation was not handled the best, but I don't know these people, I was not behind closed doors, it's super easy to call people a bitch by that perception, but what they did and what they decided was between them, and that has resulted in everyone doing their own thing on AEW TV for better or worse. All I hope, is that's what continues, because if Punk can continue to put on entertaining matches and at the very least interesting unpredictable storylines and The Elite can still be The Elite, I don't care if they never intersect, it'll be better for the whole of wrestling if the hatchets are buried and they can just as The Elite say, carry on... Now watch as we get a developing Punk vs Elite storyline in the future and we're forced to go down that rabbit hole lmfao |
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Post by cjb01: Limited Edition Item! on Jul 30, 2023 21:38:57 GMT -5
This is from Wade Keller(reported almost 2 weeks ago) A big critique about AEW is that it's a place where people get in positions of power and get preferential treatment for themselves and their buddies. People like The Elite and Jericho are usually mentioned as examples of this so it's good to see that Tony Khan is "beating the allegations" by putting CM Punk in a position of power and gets preferential treatment for him and his friends... I don't trust Wade Keller, like at all, so I don't really trust this report, but everyone in AEW has say in their storylines, one of the biggest things about it is having creative freedom and the ability to do things in a less confined space Punk always had control of his storylines, so did other people, I get that people want that to change because of what Punk did but it didn't, but it's the same for a lot of other wrestlers, I don't really see preferential treatment here, and again, I do not trust basically anything Keller says so... yeah. |
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Post by cjb01: Limited Edition Item! on Jul 30, 2023 21:41:56 GMT -5
Well, that was a fun read! Anywho, this storyline is garbage. I honestly don't understand what I'm supposed to do as a fan. Am I supposed to cheer Starks who is cutting corners to get ahead in the company or Punk who is a little bitch crying like a 10 year old about Starks cheating and calling himself the REAL WORLD CHAMP? I think the point is neither guy is particularly correct and Ricky is probably right in how he said Punk would be doing the same stuff if he was given the opportunity It seems to be a way for people to choose the side they want, but I can get if it makes it too muddled and you'd just not favorable cheer for either of them The storyline itself seems to be drawing people in so that's a plus, I honestly feel like no matter how this ends, the way they're keeping MJF more face leaning that they seem to expect Punk if he in fact feuds with him isn't gonna be a hero in this situation... |
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