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Post by xCompackx on Dec 30, 2022 12:01:02 GMT -5
Yeah, Punk actively hurt the company he claimed to love working for. They don't need him back to keep ticket sales flowing.
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Post by tntchamp on Dec 30, 2022 12:03:36 GMT -5
Jericho has had it in for Punk since this tweet, if not since 2014 when he refused to do his podcast. At least here the person he's trying to get blackballed has done something to warrant it. When he threatened Shotzi it was literally over a harmless joke. Honestly the more I hear from Jericho with stuff like this, the more I get the feeling it might not have been the Elite that were starting the rumors about Punk but instead Jericho. There has always been issues with the two going even as far back as Punk refusing to go on his podcast or how Jericho was revealed during Punk's lawsuit with Dr. Z pack, to have been joking with him about Punk's injuries. I wouldn't be shocked plus lets not act like Jericho hasn't done any underhanded tactics himself in the past. |
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Post by flowercity on Dec 30, 2022 12:20:29 GMT -5
chris jericho tells locker room he will make sure the company doesn’t sell as many tickets as they can Putting aside the actual merits of what he did or how hollow and laughable this is, if Punk is going to cause huge press shitstorms and assault co-workers, then he's in fact going to hurt ticket sales. Punk was not the only top act left off the card for months over his actions and it set in motion storyline f***eries that left a lot of the show significantly worse off for so long it's only now finally recovering from that. Punk's behavior in fact made hi ma liability to selling tickets. pure speculation and not based in any fact. go pull some figures of tickets sales with and without him. you don’t have to like punk, that’s fine, but the idea he’ll hurt ticket sales is based in nothing but conjecture. |
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Dec 30, 2022 12:35:09 GMT -5
Putting aside the actual merits of what he did or how hollow and laughable this is, if Punk is going to cause huge press shitstorms and assault co-workers, then he's in fact going to hurt ticket sales. Punk was not the only top act left off the card for months over his actions and it set in motion storyline f***eries that left a lot of the show significantly worse off for so long it's only now finally recovering from that. Punk's behavior in fact made hi ma liability to selling tickets. pure speculation and not based in any fact. go pull some figures of tickets sales with and without him. you don’t have to like punk, that’s fine, but the idea he’ll hurt ticket sales is based in nothing but conjecture. I'm not saying his own presence on the show will hurt ticket sales. It's not a 'with or without him' thing. It's a concern that his behavior will take other people down with him. If CM Punk flamed out over his press conference thing and he bailed, then sure, yeah, the tickets he would have sold were gone. But Punk starting a fight led to two months without three other top draws in the company. Any tickets those guys could've moved were in danger, too. It's not speculation that the show took a nosedive when creative plans went off and it's not conjecture that the Bucks and Kenny are big drawing acts that were off television for two months so I'm not sure what you're trying to accuse me of making up here. |
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Dec 30, 2022 12:45:21 GMT -5
I mean…I watched the show. Even if I knew nothing about what was going on, that first post-All Out episode of the show felt like they were flying off the seat of their pants with a lot of stuff. There isn’t usually new champions being stripped days later with no real kayfabe reason because what kayfabe reason could there be? “The Firm killed them”?
Heck, look at The Firm. They were established at the show and so far, their only role is to be ditched by MJF and fill feud slots when needed. You can’t tell me there wasn’t supposed to be bigger plans with them together before all that happened. It’s only now that they’ve grown to some kind of place on the roster and that took 3 months.
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Post by pinja on Dec 30, 2022 12:53:06 GMT -5
I'm of the opinion that Punk destroyed any chance for a compelling wrestling story in the future by what he did. Because if he would return somehow somewhere, the scrum would be all over the place, the online discussions would be no fun and his options to change in kayfabe would be severely limited.
I'm also of the opinion that Jericho's public presence as a locker room leader is detrimental to the company. He might really do good backstage, but whenever he talks about it in public, he comes of as the caricature of a used car salesman who doubles as the town's mayor.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Dec 30, 2022 13:05:37 GMT -5
I mean…I watched the show. Even if I knew nothing about what was going on, that first post-All Out episode of the show felt like they were flying off the seat of their pants with a lot of stuff. There isn’t usually new champions being stripped days later with no real kayfabe reason because what kayfabe reason could there be? “The Firm killed them”? Heck, look at The Firm. They were established at the show and so far, their only role is to be ditched by MJF and fill feud slots when needed. You can’t tell me there wasn’t supposed to be bigger plans with them together before all that happened. It’s only now that they’ve grown to some kind of place on the roster and that took 3 months. It left coutnless acts in a weird place. If it's true that FTR and company were supposed to back Punk up against The Firm in this feud then that explains why FTR and possibly also Wardlow ended up being so listless, which was a huge complaint you heard on this board and elsewhere. Moxley having to keep stepping in to be champion gimped a lot of stuff with BCC, because the need for Moxley to be up in the main event did consistent damage to the plans of the Danielson and Moxley team-up, leaving JAS as the only plotline for them and maybe even serving as a reason for why it kept getting drawn out. Who even knows who The Elite were supposed to feud with; Death Triangle did come out better for the situation and for being able to get their trios run and now this Best of Seven series, but there were some kind of plans that ended up not happening instead. Like, thank f*** for The Acclaimed and Swerve in Our Glory because they were absolutely a rock that kept the show stable and gave them a big storyline to work with, and Toni Storm for holding her division down and putting on bangers. A lot of the show got very rocky after All Out but the people untouched by the situation were able to put on some really good stuff and keep the show going while it sorted its shit out. |
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Post by Fade on Dec 30, 2022 13:09:43 GMT -5
AHAhahahahahahaha get f***ed Phil 😂 ❤️ |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2022 13:14:21 GMT -5
I mean…I watched the show. Even if I knew nothing about what was going on, that first post-All Out episode of the show felt like they were flying off the seat of their pants with a lot of stuff. There isn’t usually new champions being stripped days later with no real kayfabe reason because what kayfabe reason could there be? “The Firm killed them”? Heck, look at The Firm. They were established at the show and so far, their only role is to be ditched by MJF and fill feud slots when needed. You can’t tell me there wasn’t supposed to be bigger plans with them together before all that happened. It’s only now that they’ve grown to some kind of place on the roster and that took 3 months.
Someone feel free to chime in if there's more I missed, but f*** me, let's look at all the plans that had to be scrapped and redone within days because of Punk.
- The Mox and Danielson tag team - MJF and The Firm, which in turn sidelined FTR and Wardlow's plans as it's been insinuated
- Taking it back even further, Moxley's vacation, which has become a meme at this point - I'd also probably make the argument that it forced Tony to hotshot the title to MJF. Yeah, I'm sure the plan was always to put it on MJF, but Punk was gone and Mox, while reliable, was getting long in the tooth in terms of exposure to the audience. Tying back to the MJF/Firm thing, I think there were probably months worth of matches and programs that were mapped for that feud and then went up in flames.
So, yeah. If I'm in Tony's position, Punk can 100% go eat shit and get f***ed, because unless the dude is selling out Wrestlemania 3 style, he's not worth the headache backstage, and he's basically just made of bitchy tissue paper at this point.
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Post by kidkamikaze10 on Dec 30, 2022 13:16:45 GMT -5
I'm of the opinion that Punk destroyed any chance for a compelling wrestling story in the future by what he did. Because if he would return somehow somewhere, the scrum would be all over the place, the online discussions would be no fun and his options to change in kayfabe would be severely limited. I'm also of the opinion that Jericho's public presence as a locker room leader is detrimental to the company. He might really do good backstage, but whenever he talks about it in public, he comes of as the caricature of a used car salesman who doubles as the town's mayor. I agree with that. Punk coming back has a bigger chance of causing a massive splinter in both the fanbase and the locker room that Tony shouldn't risk. But also, Jericho is a double edged sword. Great locker room leader, but his ego is a very polarizing thing (kayfabe or not). |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2022 13:20:20 GMT -5
I'm of the opinion that Punk destroyed any chance for a compelling wrestling story in the future by what he did. Because if he would return somehow somewhere, the scrum would be all over the place, the online discussions would be no fun and his options to change in kayfabe would be severely limited. I'm also of the opinion that Jericho's public presence as a locker room leader is detrimental to the company. He might really do good backstage, but whenever he talks about it in public, he comes of as the caricature of a used car salesman who doubles as the town's mayor. I agree with both sentiments here...I am also concerned about the people that will then proclaim all of it to be a work from the beginning which just makes my head hurt |
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Post by tntchamp on Dec 30, 2022 13:29:19 GMT -5
I'm of the opinion that Punk destroyed any chance for a compelling wrestling story in the future by what he did. Because if he would return somehow somewhere, the scrum would be all over the place, the online discussions would be no fun and his options to change in kayfabe would be severely limited. I'm also of the opinion that Jericho's public presence as a locker room leader is detrimental to the company. He might really do good backstage, but whenever he talks about it in public, he comes of as the caricature of a used car salesman who doubles as the town's mayor. I agree with both sentiments here...I am also concerned about the people that will then proclaim all of it to be a work from the beginning which just makes my head hurt While I don't think it is too late for Punk to turn around and bounce back from this mess, yeah the scam is at the very least going to be a black cloud looming over him for a long time especially if he stays in AEW somehow. Jericho I just get very phony vibes from and he comes off as sneaky and fake. I like him as a talent and think he is great but as a person eh. As for the whole work thing all I can say that if it was a work this is some of the most well thought out plan possible but I just don't buy it not the least being it made Tony for months look incredibly bush league. It at best can be turned into a angle. |
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Post by Kalmia on Dec 30, 2022 13:32:58 GMT -5
If people that are actually in the locker room think bringing Punk back to the locker room will cause more trouble than benefits, then that says an awful lot about Punk. It also suggests that there may be more to it than just Punk losing it on the night of All Out.
My stance has always been that I'd be happy to have Punk back if the Elite and the rest of the locker room would be happy to have him back. By the sound of this, several would not be. I don't think that the potential extra tickets sold are worth the potential headaches.
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Post by Fade on Dec 30, 2022 13:38:23 GMT -5
If people that are actually in the locker room think bringing Punk back to the locker room will cause more trouble than benefits, then that says an awful lot about Punk. It also suggests that there may be more to it than just Punk losing it on the night of All Out. My stance has always been that I'd be happy to have Punk back if the Elite and the rest of the locker room would be happy to have him back. By the sound of this, several would not be. I don't think that the potential extra tickets sold are worth the potential headaches. These people aren’t stupid either. They know Punk’s value. And are still saying “Eff that noise”. Says a lot. |
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Post by tntchamp on Dec 30, 2022 13:42:15 GMT -5
If people that are actually in the locker room think bringing Punk back to the locker room will cause more trouble than benefits, then that says an awful lot about Punk. It also suggests that there may be more to it than just Punk losing it on the night of All Out. My stance has always been that I'd be happy to have Punk back if the Elite and the rest of the locker room would be happy to have him back. By the sound of this, several would not be. I don't think that the potential extra tickets sold are worth the potential headaches. Its tough and goes back to the he said/she said reports. Some reports are saying Punk is hated by all and no one wants him back. Then you hear other things like Powerhouse Hobbs and Ricky Starks praising the man and wanting him to return. Hell I think someone said Garcia liked a tweet with FTR pleading for Punk and the bucks to make peace. It kind of feel like this is turning into a case of "depends who you are asking". |
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Dec 30, 2022 13:45:05 GMT -5
If people that are actually in the locker room think bringing Punk back to the locker room will cause more trouble than benefits, then that says an awful lot about Punk. It also suggests that there may be more to it than just Punk losing it on the night of All Out. My stance has always been that I'd be happy to have Punk back if the Elite and the rest of the locker room would be happy to have him back. By the sound of this, several would not be. I don't think that the potential extra tickets sold are worth the potential headaches. Jericho had allegedly called Punk locker room cancer the night of All Out but before the scrum even happened. It tells me that there is a lot going on that is way more complicated than just the blow-up he had that one night. |
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Post by Fade on Dec 30, 2022 13:47:34 GMT -5
If people that are actually in the locker room think bringing Punk back to the locker room will cause more trouble than benefits, then that says an awful lot about Punk. It also suggests that there may be more to it than just Punk losing it on the night of All Out. My stance has always been that I'd be happy to have Punk back if the Elite and the rest of the locker room would be happy to have him back. By the sound of this, several would not be. I don't think that the potential extra tickets sold are worth the potential headaches. Jericho had allegedly called Punk locker room cancer the night of All Out but before the scrum even happened. It tells me that there is a lot going on that is way more complicated than just the blow-up he had that one night. Before? Who said that? I recall the report of him calling him that after the scrum. |
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Post by tntchamp on Dec 30, 2022 13:48:40 GMT -5
If people that are actually in the locker room think bringing Punk back to the locker room will cause more trouble than benefits, then that says an awful lot about Punk. It also suggests that there may be more to it than just Punk losing it on the night of All Out. My stance has always been that I'd be happy to have Punk back if the Elite and the rest of the locker room would be happy to have him back. By the sound of this, several would not be. I don't think that the potential extra tickets sold are worth the potential headaches. Jericho had allegedly called Punk locker room cancer the night of All Out but before the scrum even happened. It tells me that there is a lot going on that is way more complicated than just the blow-up he had that one night. Yeah that's what I feel. I am starting to feel that despite Punk directing his anger towards the elite it really seems like Jericho was the one he should have been mad at. In general I have been saying that Punk's blow up wasn't over just one or two things happening and something bigger probably happened. |
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Dec 30, 2022 13:53:03 GMT -5
Jericho had allegedly called Punk locker room cancer the night of All Out but before the scrum even happened. It tells me that there is a lot going on that is way more complicated than just the blow-up he had that one night. Before? Who said that? I recall the report of him calling him that after the scrum. Okay no you're absolutely right; it was after and I just absolutely misremembered it. My bad on that front. |
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Dec 30, 2022 14:00:05 GMT -5
Jericho had allegedly called Punk locker room cancer the night of All Out but before the scrum even happened. It tells me that there is a lot going on that is way more complicated than just the blow-up he had that one night. Yeah that's what I feel. I am starting to feel that despite Punk directing his anger towards the elite it really seems like Jericho was the one he should have been mad at. In general I have been saying that Punk's blow up wasn't over just one or two things happening and something bigger probably happened. I can agree that what Punk did was over a lot of complicated things and not just one event, but I don't think you can go as hard as you have on "This is all he said/she said" but then also play internet detective off a few scattershot elements to go on and say that Jericho is the real killer and that he leaked the rumours. That's just fanfiction. |
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