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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Aug 6, 2023 16:37:24 GMT -5
Im just happy that Punk is sticking to what Bald and others online said he just wants to give back, he is putting over young talent by going over young talent and getting the PPVs matches. Is the guy they brought in to be one of the top sells of a brand just supposed to lose over and over and over again? That doesn't exactly seem like a good idea. I'm sure it'd be a good idea to someone who hates CM Punk with a passion but this isn't how wrestling works Ricky has beaten Punk twice in singles and tag and only lost to Punk via a rollup, he hasn't exactly been dominating people and has been telling a story in every match he's put on And no shit Punk's gonna get PPV matches, again, what do you expect to happen? I know what you want to happen, but be a little realistic here, he has been giving back to the younger talents. Ricky's feud has had eyes on it, Juice and Jay feel more over coming out of a Punk/FTR confrontation than they did going in too, I can't objectively say what he's doing right now for the talents is making them look like shit.
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Post by Dub H on Aug 6, 2023 19:35:51 GMT -5
I was watching EVO and one fo the top players got booed when being asked who is cheering for him.
It was said on commentary he got "That John Cena CM Punk Reaction"
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Post by tenshi on Aug 6, 2023 21:10:33 GMT -5
I was watching EVO and one fo the top players got booed when being asked who is cheering for him. It was said on commentary he got "That John Cena CM Punk Reaction" Did the guy show No Johns after that?
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Post by Some Guy on Aug 7, 2023 0:02:39 GMT -5
Im just happy that Punk is sticking to what Bald and others online said he just wants to give back, he is putting over young talent by going over young talent and getting the PPVs matches. Honestly, Punk is the antithesis of Jericho in that guys facing him DO come off considerably better after interacting with him or being in his web. Jericho basically has had a streak for a while where guys after feuding with him or tagging with him were or are completely nowhere after the fact and need a boost after doing so (this includes Eddie, Danielson, Garcia, Cole, Starks, MJF to some degree, etc.) even if they beat him. I mean yeah Starks could continuously beat Punk, but he looks 500 times better after these few weeks where he lost to Punk once then he did in the Jericho feud where he never really lost. After he beat MJF, MJF was essentially fully solidified as a main event talent going into a smoking hot feud with Wardlow (that MJF helped derail but that's a whole other story). Hell that was the best Kojima has looked in YEARS state side in his match against Punk a couple months ago, even. Yeah he could just lose every match I guess, but he's 4-3 since he came back. He's not running a massive undefeated streak or anything. Everyone that has come into his orb since coming into AEW and especially since coming back has come off looking better or at the very least at the same level.
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Post by Dub H on Aug 7, 2023 0:07:08 GMT -5
Im just happy that Punk is sticking to what Bald and others online said he just wants to give back, he is putting over young talent by going over young talent and getting the PPVs matches. Honestly, Punk is the antithesis of Jericho in that guys facing him DO come off considerably better after interacting with him or being in his web. Jericho basically has had a streak for a while where guys after feuding with him or tagging with him were or are completely nowhere after the fact and need a boost after doing so (this includes Eddie, Danielson, Garcia, Cole, Starks, MJF to some degree, etc.) even if they beat him. I mean yeah Starks could continuously beat Punk, but he looks 500 times better after these few weeks where he lost to Punk once then he did in the Jericho feud where he never really lost. After he beat MJF, MJF was essentially fully solidified as a main event talent going into a smoking hot feud with Wardlow (that MJF helped derail but that's a whole other story). Hell that was the best Kojima has looked in YEARS state side in his match against Punk a couple months ago, even. Yeah he could just lose every match I guess, but he's 4-3 since he came back. He's not running a massive undefeated streak or anything. Everyone that has come into his orb since coming into AEW and especially since coming back has come off looking better or at the very least at the same level. Almost none of the guys came off better. MJF feud was great but he was already the biggest heel and MJF added the devil persona to him so that was good. All the rampages guys went to do nothing. Starks just lost clean and turned heel to put over Punk. Same with Eddie,he was already a fan favorite, in fact he should have been a face not a heel in the feud. Jericho made Eddie and Andretti look a billion bucks in their first match, Jericho made so that Eddie wasnt a complete chocker,the issue is the feud went too much.For example the only thing I remember from the Punk Eddie feud is Eddie saying Punk is a phony. At very least the after match of the first Eddie-Jericho match and the match itself is a very strong memory. There is not a single guy that gained by feuding with Punk.Andretti alone is more than Punk did his whole run.Cant say about Kojima,havent watched him the last few year,including the PPV. Not that I would care if he made a one-time legend look good. Ironically the ONE match I feel Punk someone made incredible in defeat was in the MJF feud but it was Wardlow and the match itself leading to the giving the ring to Punk moment.That helped Wardlow a lot.
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Post by Some Guy on Aug 7, 2023 0:35:08 GMT -5
Honestly, Punk is the antithesis of Jericho in that guys facing him DO come off considerably better after interacting with him or being in his web. Jericho basically has had a streak for a while where guys after feuding with him or tagging with him were or are completely nowhere after the fact and need a boost after doing so (this includes Eddie, Danielson, Garcia, Cole, Starks, MJF to some degree, etc.) even if they beat him. I mean yeah Starks could continuously beat Punk, but he looks 500 times better after these few weeks where he lost to Punk once then he did in the Jericho feud where he never really lost. After he beat MJF, MJF was essentially fully solidified as a main event talent going into a smoking hot feud with Wardlow (that MJF helped derail but that's a whole other story). Hell that was the best Kojima has looked in YEARS state side in his match against Punk a couple months ago, even. Yeah he could just lose every match I guess, but he's 4-3 since he came back. He's not running a massive undefeated streak or anything. Everyone that has come into his orb since coming into AEW and especially since coming back has come off looking better or at the very least at the same level. Almost none of the guys came off better. MJF feud was great but he was already the biggest heel and MJF added the devil persona to him so that was good. All the rampages guys went to do nothing. Starks just lost clean and turned heel to put over Punk. Same with Eddie,he was already a fan favorite, in fact he should have been a face not a heel in the feud. Jericho made Eddie and Andretti look a billion bucks in their first match, Jericho made so that Eddie wasnt a complete chocker,the issue is the feud went too much.For example the only thing I remember from the Punk Eddie feud is Eddie saying Punk is a phony. At very least the after match of the first Eddie-Jericho match and the match itself is a very strong memory. There is not a single guy that gained by feuding with Punk.Andretti alone is more than Punk did his whole run.Cant say about Kojima,havent watched him the last few year,including the PPV. Not that I would care if he made a one-time legend look good. Ironically the ONE match I feel Punk someone made incredible in defeat was in the MJF feud but it was Wardlow and the match itself leading to the giving the ring to Punk moment.That helped Wardlow a lot. Eddie wasn't a heel in his feud with Punk, he was just Eddie and it was still incredibly hot despite only being like 3 weeks long. He also looked great in that match since he beat the shit out of Punk and I don't know how anyone can look at that match and say Eddie came off worse. And again, my entire point was Jericho makes guys look like shit even when he loses to them because he drags them into his web (he also very clearly has a fair amount of control over his angles). Yeah Eddie looked great after beating him, but then it kept going and it kept going and it kept going and it kept going and then by the end of it, Eddie had maybe his worst match in the company and the heat was completely shot. Starks beat Jericho clean and looked great doing it. But then it kept going and going and going and then he came out of it worse than he came in. Even your example of Action Andretti had Action beat him but then Jericho beat him a couple times after and now he's just kind of a jobber face guy that hangs around. Yeah he's higher than simply being random guy that faces QT Marshall on Dark, but it's not like he's going anywhere right now. With Ricky, he was flailing coming out of that awkward Jay White feud where neither looked particularly great and both have been so much better since coming to Collision. Even if he turned heel, he at least did it in an interesting and aggressive way.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Aug 8, 2023 12:14:02 GMT -5
If you're a fan and wanted the Punk trans flag BITW shirt, it's now available on PWT with 100% of royalties going to The Trevor Project. Pretty cool.
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Post by SneakMan on Aug 8, 2023 13:19:39 GMT -5
After all this, this f***ing guy is seriously gonna convince me to buy another one of his t-shirts.
Everything else aside, that's very cool of both Punk and AEW. I know Dustin Rhodes also has a trans pride charity shirt up though that one has royalties going to the National Center for Transgender Equality.
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Post by Dub H on Aug 8, 2023 13:40:50 GMT -5
Is there a difference between 100% royalties vs profits?
It reads as if aew is pocketing or pwtees are pocketingstheir part of the profit
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Aug 8, 2023 13:43:54 GMT -5
Is there a difference between 100% royalties vs profits? It reads as if aew is pocketing or pwtees are pocketingstheir part of the profit Even if that's the case, Punk's still forfeiting his portion of things to help a good cause, so I'll probably end up buying one.
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Post by Dub H on Aug 8, 2023 13:50:29 GMT -5
Is there a difference between 100% royalties vs profits? It reads as if aew is pocketing or pwtees are pocketingstheir part of the profit Even if that's the case, Punk's still forfeiting his portion of things to help a good cause, so I'll probably end up buying one. Oh yeh that is an amazing thing. Its more toward PWTees;AEW .I feel its scummy from the companie thenselves if thats the case. Still good to buy if you support the cause and want a Trans or Punk Shirt. You could easily gift this to a trans friend that has no knowledge of wrestling and it would be awesome
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Post by firsttimelongtime on Aug 8, 2023 14:18:34 GMT -5
Honestly, Punk is the antithesis of Jericho in that guys facing him DO come off considerably better after interacting with him or being in his web. Jericho basically has had a streak for a while where guys after feuding with him or tagging with him were or are completely nowhere after the fact and need a boost after doing so (this includes Eddie, Danielson, Garcia, Cole, Starks, MJF to some degree, etc.) even if they beat him. I mean yeah Starks could continuously beat Punk, but he looks 500 times better after these few weeks where he lost to Punk once then he did in the Jericho feud where he never really lost. After he beat MJF, MJF was essentially fully solidified as a main event talent going into a smoking hot feud with Wardlow (that MJF helped derail but that's a whole other story). Hell that was the best Kojima has looked in YEARS state side in his match against Punk a couple months ago, even. Yeah he could just lose every match I guess, but he's 4-3 since he came back. He's not running a massive undefeated streak or anything. Everyone that has come into his orb since coming into AEW and especially since coming back has come off looking better or at the very least at the same level. Almost none of the guys came off better. MJF feud was great but he was already the biggest heel and MJF added the devil persona to him so that was good. All the rampages guys went to do nothing. Starks just lost clean and turned heel to put over Punk. Same with Eddie,he was already a fan favorite, in fact he should have been a face not a heel in the feud. Jericho made Eddie and Andretti look a billion bucks in their first match, Jericho made so that Eddie wasnt a complete chocker,the issue is the feud went too much.For example the only thing I remember from the Punk Eddie feud is Eddie saying Punk is a phony. At very least the after match of the first Eddie-Jericho match and the match itself is a very strong memory. There is not a single guy that gained by feuding with Punk.Andretti alone is more than Punk did his whole run.Cant say about Kojima,havent watched him the last few year,including the PPV. Not that I would care if he made a one-time legend look good. Ironically the ONE match I feel Punk someone made incredible in defeat was in the MJF feud but it was Wardlow and the match itself leading to the giving the ring to Punk moment.That helped Wardlow a lot. Starks has never been positioned better than he is now. Also, Action Andretti is nothing but a jobber. He loses all the time. Him being featured is being teamed up with random guys to make trios that lose in 9 minutes.
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Post by Kalmia on Aug 8, 2023 14:27:08 GMT -5
I don't think the problem is with either Punk or Jericho, it's just that AEW doesn't always know how to follow up on a wrestler getting put over by a big name like them. How many times has someone had a good showing only for the follow up to be lacking? IMO that's an AEW problem, not a Punk or Jericho one.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Aug 8, 2023 16:38:27 GMT -5
AEW's usually good about having its pride shirts be charity shirts and I'm glad Punk's willing to put his name and royalties forward like that. I don't remember their first wave of pride shirts, but I know it's been a "100% of the royalties" situation for this year's pride shirts. Where you wanna stand on PWT benefitting off the charity shirts while moving none of its own cut toward it is a personal choice, but Punk's at least definitely put down his care on the right side of things.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Aug 8, 2023 17:22:30 GMT -5
Love seeing that from AEW and from Punk
As I said he's a dumbass but he has his heart in MOSTLY all the right places, when he's not convinced everyone's out to get him and all.
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Post by King Devitt and the Woke Mob on Aug 8, 2023 19:16:48 GMT -5
I don't think the problem is with either Punk or Jericho, it's just that AEW doesn't always know how to follow up on a wrestler getting put over by a big name like them. How many times has someone had a good showing only for the follow up to be lacking? IMO that's an AEW problem, not a Punk or Jericho one. Yup, how many times have we heard "star making performance" on the boards, and I think to myself "no, it's not" and then sadly proven right.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Aug 8, 2023 19:18:40 GMT -5
I don't think the problem is with either Punk or Jericho, it's just that AEW doesn't always know how to follow up on a wrestler getting put over by a big name like them. How many times has someone had a good showing only for the follow up to be lacking? IMO that's an AEW problem, not a Punk or Jericho one. Yup, how many times have we heard "star making performance" on the boards, and I think to myself "no, it's not" and then sadly proven right. I mean a lot of matches do highlight and showcase talents and show they can be stars, the one thing that is a bad habit of AEW Booking is a holding pattern and "That guy or girl will still be there later" and in reality that's not always the case, injuries don't give a shit about what you wanna do especially.
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Post by markymark on Aug 8, 2023 20:19:06 GMT -5
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Aug 8, 2023 20:21:50 GMT -5
That's a better finish than Steamboat dropping Starks. Good on Steamboat for wanting to put Starks over in a huge way and he did at the end, crowd wanted his head.
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Post by deezy on Aug 8, 2023 21:42:01 GMT -5
I don't think the problem is with either Punk or Jericho, it's just that AEW doesn't always know how to follow up on a wrestler getting put over by a big name like them. How many times has someone had a good showing only for the follow up to be lacking? IMO that's an AEW problem, not a Punk or Jericho one. It's definitely a Tony Khan problem. Just like after big title wins sometimes the title reign is very lackluster. Imo Wardlow is one of the biggest fumbles in pro wrestling history. Guy was super over and Kahn proceeded to do not much with him after the title win. To me The Acclaimed is also another one, Big title win with a lackluster reign, luckily they are still super over. So the follow ups are more on him than talent.
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