lucas_lee
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Post by lucas_lee on Dec 6, 2022 15:20:46 GMT -5
The only difference is that Punk was ahead of the curve in mainstream wrestling by opening the door to expanded psychology while Warrior was the last of the roided out super-faces Haha yes the only difference! are you kidding? Other than it being popular guy returning then leaving i'm not seeing this. Where are the parallels? What hyped sold the f*** out houses did Warrior draw on his long and much wanted return? how many shows did Punk no show because he felt like? What red hot angles were needlessly put on the backburner by Tony to allow Punk TV time that wasnt good and nobody liked? Which undercard guys did Punk run over? How many of the workers dreaded working with him because he was a lazy unsafe chancer whos whole focus was doing as little as possible for the most money at a time when luckily for him wrestling was the biggest it's ever going to be? Punk flamed out because the work environment sucked shit and was loaded with c***s, and had been wrestling from about 1999 til he f***ed off without much of a break because he was f***ing great at it. The other left for the same reason 99.9 of wrestlers get mad and then let himself make the mistake of looking like a total dickhead without the safety net of a wrestling show behind him. All of this current Punk bullshit success included, came after the guy surived the Crabwalk debacle. Other than them being dickheads there's nothing here. The scrum was a nightmare but given how it's being seen and discussed outside of this forum (ie barely) i'm placing a bet on this entire thing being looked at as largely a success with a weird and funny ending. The big difference between Punk and Warrior is Punk isn't a massive homophobe. Punk has a bad reputation even before the WWE. Hes had beef with a lot of folks that encountered him in the indy scene and his higher than thou attitude rubbed many the wrong way. So this was gonna be the logical conclusion.
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Dec 6, 2022 15:33:26 GMT -5
The rep still carried him to the kind of popularity most performers dream of and a place to allow him to make such a huge weird mistake as this so i'm not particularly convinced about how troublesome his attitude is/was other than just being a completely standard tool/crank. I also don't feel like any of his peers really took him seriously enough to let him being a dick get to them. The shoot Steen cuts about the old ROH incident is mostly laughter and pity from what I remember.
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Post by Stone Coke Miami Watson 🥃 on Dec 6, 2022 15:35:54 GMT -5
The most “page 54” celebrations in FAN history
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Dec 6, 2022 15:42:27 GMT -5
The same as it was 5 years ago really. One of the top stars of this century so far who also happens to be a surly asshole.
I promise you the average fan doesn't really give a damn about backstage stuff. The number of fans who will hold a years long grudge against a legendary wrestler over a backstage brawl is negligible.
HBK is looked up to as the GOAT by a lot of this generation of wrestlers and fans despite all the shit he pulled. Look at how beloved Hogan still was to casuals before the racist tape emerged even with the IWC hating him for years beforehand. Look at how respected Jericho is despite half a dozen backstage fights, public homophobic remarks and political stuff you can't mention here. If Jeff Hardy returned next week there's not a doubt in my mind the crowd would pop for him even after all his issues.
At most I can see hardcore Elite fans never forgiving Punk but in the grand scheme of things wrestling fans as a whole will always pop huge for him if he was to show up and see him as a legendary figure.
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Kalmia
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Post by Kalmia on Dec 6, 2022 16:29:39 GMT -5
I hope the scrum and all of the drama from it don't overshadow the fun year he had in AEW. Although the circumstances of his exit from WWE still linger a little, his run there is still most known for the Pipe Bomb and the title shenanigans and I hope his AEW run is remembered for his MJF feud and the match with Kingston more than muffins and fights.
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XIII
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Post by XIII on Dec 6, 2022 16:32:38 GMT -5
Book of DILLIGAF 2
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Post by Chris Legentil -- Mind Freak on Dec 6, 2022 16:33:37 GMT -5
My friend from the future says that the perception of CM Punk really changed when he did hardcore porn in 2025
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MolotovMocktail
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Dec 6, 2022 21:04:52 GMT -5
Like Shawn Michaels in the mid-90’s. Obviously without the drugs, but a majorly talented wrestler who just couldn’t help isolating himself and finding reasons to piss off the locker room.
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Dec 6, 2022 21:22:54 GMT -5
The only difference is that Punk was ahead of the curve in mainstream wrestling by opening the door to expanded psychology while Warrior was the last of the roided out super-faces Haha yes the only difference! are you kidding? Other than it being popular guy returning then leaving i'm not seeing this. Where are the parallels? What hyped sold the f*** out houses did Warrior draw on his long and much wanted return? how many shows did Punk no show because he felt like? What red hot angles were needlessly put on the backburner by Tony to allow Punk TV time that wasnt good and nobody liked? Which undercard guys did Punk run over? How many of the workers dreaded working with him because he was a lazy unsafe chancer whos whole focus was doing as little as possible for the most money at a time when luckily for him wrestling was the biggest it's ever going to be? I was hyperbolic, but the two are way more comparable than you'd think with how different they are superficially. Warrior's original WCW return did an incredible rating, then he just wouldn't shut the f*** up for 20 minutes and everyone who wasn't a WCW loyalist changed the channel because he rambled on forever. The majority of Punk's run was going over other babyfaces that were actively calling him a piece of shit who no one in the back trusted, and he was still supposed to be the top face! Darby still hasn't fully recovered from that feud, Kingston is stuck in the ADHD part of TK's brain because he had nowhere to go after the Punk feud, and he flat out tried to bury Hangman as a "receipt" for something that Punk built his name off of. And his idea for a return post-injury was the absolute egocentric, "book the entire promotion around me!" stuff ever. He wanted to have the first match where he got squashed due to injury by Moxley at ALL OUT. He wanted AEW's biggest show to be main evented by him playing Rocky, so he could have an entire 3-month program and another PPV main event built around him when AEW doesn't do repeat matches. He had every single big-name babyface lose to him and look like a jackass calling him names to absolutely no end. I legit thought they were building to a heel turn which would have actually paid everything off, but nope. Punk ultimately flamed out because he couldn't work with Vince anymore and it wasn't worth the physical toll to his body. Same as Warrior. I'm not saying Punk wasn't in horrific shape and should have been taken off of the road, but ultimately it was due to him not being able to work with his boss anymore. He thought that he'd have more media opportunities (especially after calling out Vince and the WWE backstage in a way no one of that profile ever has) but all he got was a few AMC spots, a few guest writing credits for Marvel, and $2.5 million to look like a Tiger Schulmann red belt. He's a brilliant wrestling mind (when working for himself) that has a long track record of being a problem whenever he's given power. His history as the HHH of ROH got whitewashed because of his WWE run, but it's still the same dude who threw a fit at Kevin Owens for wearing a t-shirt.
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Dave at the Movies
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Post by Dave at the Movies on Dec 6, 2022 21:36:23 GMT -5
If he never goes back to WWE or ever wrestles again it won't be great.
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Dave at the Movies
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Post by Dave at the Movies on Dec 6, 2022 21:37:55 GMT -5
The rep still carried him to the kind of popularity most performers dream of and a place to allow him to make such a huge weird mistake as this so i'm not particularly convinced about how troublesome his attitude is/was other than just being a completely standard tool/crank. I also don't feel like any of his peers really took him seriously enough to let him being a dick get to them. The shoot Steen cuts about the old ROH incident is mostly laughter and pity from what I remember. I don't think his rep carried him. I think his talent carried him despite his rep. 🤷♂️
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Post by BorneAgain on Dec 6, 2022 22:02:58 GMT -5
With Punk I think it'll be as an immensely talented and fairly revolutionary figure that ultimately fell hard when the line between his passion for the business and his ego blurred too much. Simultaneously a wrestler to genuinely admire in some ways while also being a cautionary tale about the dangers in never being satisfied with your career is; basically on screen work that was a a triumph alongside the understated ironic tragedy that off screen he became as close minded and hostile towards a younger generation as an old guard once was to him.
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mc74
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Post by mc74 on Dec 6, 2022 22:20:09 GMT -5
Only one word best describes what his legacy is from this point forward: Tainted. I could talk about what Punk did at the scrum and how badly it affected him & AEW, but I'd be repeating what others & myself had already said on the matter. But I will add that the way Punk flamed out is very disappointing, especially considering how largely successful his return to the squared-circle was. There was so much left on the table for Punk, AEW, and wrestling fans as a whole. Pro wrestling would've greatly benefited from the boon, Punk no doubt would've cemented his legacy, and it would've been a great treat for wrestling fans as each program Punk was featured in was pretty much guaranteed to be high in quality.
And yet, Punk flushed it all down the toilet, and you just can't help but to feel betrayed. As far as his legacy goes from here on out, it all comes down to whether Punk can put his ego aside and own up for what he did. If he can, there's a chance he can salvage the goodwill that he's lost. I have serious doubts it happens because of how Punk has historically held onto grudges, but I guess only time will tell.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Dec 6, 2022 22:22:46 GMT -5
That he should've stayed retired.
Or maybe just quit right after the MJF feud.
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on Dec 7, 2022 2:51:57 GMT -5
Anytime time someone asks, "Do you know the Muffin Man?" Everyone else will think they are talking about CM Punk.
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Post by ElmerFudd on Dec 7, 2022 3:39:08 GMT -5
He was my favorite when he was in WWE and had a good run in AEW but I'll never think of him as my all time favorite like Austin and The Rock. He's got AJ tho so cheers to him in 5 years if he still has her and isn't throwing Muffins at the TV if he sees Colt Cabana on an episode of Jeopardy.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Dec 7, 2022 10:41:00 GMT -5
Unless he does something to repair the PR disaster that is his current state, he's going to be remembered as a phenomenally talented performer who could never get out of his own way, perhaps even worse than Warrior in that front.
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Post by rajaah on Dec 8, 2022 19:10:07 GMT -5
He'll show up in WWE with his hair grown-out (2009 length) and his beard dyed, looking ten years younger than he did in AEW, and everybody will applaud WWE for having better presentation and how he looks so much healthier there, all completely forgetting why he left it in the first place. He'll get a Wrestlemania main event and a big payday and a ton of hype and people online saying it's gonna put the nail in AEW or whatever. He'll lose to Cody or Roman or Seth, and it'll be them getting a win over the guy who never lost the AEW title, taking another dump on the company. Then he'll f*** off to a legends contract and do commentary / make appearances or whatever.
^Bookmark this and refer to it in 10 to 18 months
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 8, 2022 19:31:12 GMT -5
Tainted is a good word assuming he doesn't wrestle elsewhere to have a run
Even with that horrendous UFC debacle he always had the allure of a return and what he could do for anyone whether it be indies or mainstream as a wrestler. He was an asshole but you can squint your eyes and overlook some his transgressions
Now, a salty angry man who's faults now almost stand as high as his accomplishments. He killed years of goodwill he built up and the only way to build that back up goes against his personality
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Nr1Humanoid
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Post by Nr1Humanoid on Dec 8, 2022 22:21:05 GMT -5
Anyone who cares about the scrum 5 years from now is in need of a personal life.
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