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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 23, 2022 20:18:49 GMT -5
A lot of dudes who got implicated in the CHIKARA Speaking Out Movement have not wrestled since and probably never will again Quackenbush is a weird case where it looked like he didn't actually do anything in the SpeakingOut movement but was either so clueless to it happening, or let the climate of it fester in the company as a whole and did nothing to stop it. Everyone left CHIKARA, he hasn't worked a match since the place shut down, but he still kinda pushes on with his Youtube, and there's a rumor he was trying to start up CHIKARA again but it's been really hard to find news on it other than someone tweeting they were angry about it, but before that he was constantly being invited to the WWE PC, so that did f*** up his stuff there Juan Fransisco de Coronado and Rory Gulak were two big ones because they were also trainers in the Factory at the time, Juan had begun a new team with Victor Vanek (Missile Assault Man) as The Super Dudes on The Indies and that immediately killed that gimmick, and Vanek has not had a documented match since 2019 either (He wasn't outed he just disappeared) Princess Kimberlee seems to have burned a lot of bridges for being an extremely difficult person to deal with, and this has been a thing with years for her but it really caught up to her this year, most peeps are aware of why. She's only worked two matches since March for SHINE and FEST wrestling Ophidian seems to have been forced to retire. He tried to sneak on a booking recently and Sidney Bakabella threatened to tell the booker something "If he had to", seems like he did some shit things but is being told "Stay out of wrestling and we won't ruin your life" Kobald was one of the worst and got absolutely ethered, deservedly Blaster McMassive was accused of really suspect shit, but he found work in MLW. When he got uppidy about bookings during SpeakingOut I believe some wrestlers threatened to leak his shit and he shut up. Joshua Wells/Wavra was one of the last WrestleFactory graduates, and a wrestler who actually came on to FAN and defended Quack and CHIKARA as a whole and his time there... only to also be outed with Speaking Out claims and go completely off the grid. No documented matches in over a year I can't say for sure if Icarus was caught up in the Speaking Out stuff, I remember his name being brought up but don't know how concrete anything was. He has not wrestled anywhere since CHIKARA shut down, but he also has a good side job I cannot remember if Kevin Condron/Jervis Cottonbelly got implicated in SpeakingOut but I seem to remember Condron's personality getting in his way of grander bookings. It's been almost an entire year since he's wrestled as Condron or Jervis. Jervis also worked a Control Your Narrative taping, of all things lol. WrestleCircus going under seemed to really hurt their career because it was a prominent booking they had that went up in smoke. Should note Jervis is still really active on Twitter, so maybe they weren't run off, just seem to remember something with them coming up, maybe it was disproven Rave You are free to add to/correct any of this if there are any other CHIKARA Alum that no one wants to work with since the shutdown. FWIW Kevin seems to feel that him defending Brian Kendrick (him as a person and not what he said) this past year is what's led to him being essentially blackballed. I got curious about The Wrestle Factory a few nights ago and noticed the website was still active and looking for recruits for 2023. On the history page it mentions that in 2020 they removed the role of "head trainer" from the school and that everyone shares the title of "co-trainer." Currently Quack and Sonny DeFarge are the only listed trainers. As of 2021 they've also added a "Code of Conduct" page which specifically mentions not tolerating any kind of inappropriate sexual behavior with a long list of examples, the address/phone number of the nearest police station, and the National Sexual Assault Hotline number. thewrestlefactory.com/code.htmlTHAT'S what it was, yeah Condron and Jervis have gone extremely quiet on the wrestling front since then, and it was right when he was debuting the aspect that he and Jervis was a Multiple Personality Disorder on their Youtube and such. But yeah defending Kendrick was a really stupid move on their part, there was nothing defendable about it. The Wrestle Factory is indeed still running, which makes me wonder if CHIKARA's actually going to attempt a comeback. Idk if the brand has enough legs to stand on, and it would essentially have to be a complete and total revival with trainees. I don't know if anyone from the past is gonna touch them if they attempt a return, except maybe lifers like Icarus who don't seem to work any other promotions.
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Post by hentery on Dec 30, 2022 10:56:19 GMT -5
We just know that he had sexual contact with someone homicide was close with who was not old enough for a grown man.
We don't even "know" that. It's all been rumors and speculation. Like you pointed out, for all we know Maff was able to prove he didn't do anything to Homicide, and that's why they got past their animosity. He could have never done anything wrong, or could have done something terrible. We really don't know because nothing specific has ever come out about it.
We know that the guy was blackballed by Homicide for several years, and one time Homicide made a vague reference that started the speculation. But then, years later, Homicide suddenly has no issue with him anymore. It would be very surprising if he (or anyone) just "got past" or overlooked supposed pedophilia involving a family member to be friends with the person again. So that comment he made back in the day about Maff could have been made in the heat of the moment, and actually had no basis in truth, for all we know. Maybe they had heat over something else, and he just gave that as the excuse? Or maybe the comment was true? Bottom line is we don't know. We're still just speculating.
And since we're just speculating, based on the current facts (that Homicide "got over it"), my speculation is that they had heat over something else years ago, which they eventually worked their way through.
Whatever makes you sleep at night.
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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on Dec 31, 2022 8:16:22 GMT -5
Hasn't Shanna burned a few bridges? Or am I confusing her with someone else?
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Post by neilc on Dec 31, 2022 13:37:24 GMT -5
Whatever makes you sleep at night. The alternative theory (that Homicide would suddenly be okay with the guy molesting his underage family member, and they're friends again) makes absolutely no sense. At all.
I know Maff is still active in Pat Buck's WrestlePro promotion in NJ.
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Post by CeilingFan on Dec 31, 2022 13:47:01 GMT -5
EC3. I can't see AEW or WWE being interested in him.
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Dec 31, 2022 14:18:36 GMT -5
EC3. I can't see AEW or WWE being interested in him. Oddly with Hunter back on board I would've thought he might've had the chance.
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Post by Psicofreak667 on Dec 31, 2022 19:44:21 GMT -5
Hasn't Shanna burned a few bridges? Or am I confusing her with someone else? No, there's a cloud surrounding Shanna, but it's a really weird one because nobody has ever said anything specific.
For one thing Shanna's an outspoken Conservative, which is basically the 8th Deadly Sin as far as a lot of people in the business are concerned. Apparently she also made an anti-Muslim tweet at some point in response to a bombing that got her tagged as a Bad Person (TM).
Her AEW exit was extra weird and at the time I was 100% on her side. She had this match with Leyla Hirsch that was terrible and clunky, and at one point Shanna slapped the taste out of Leyla's mouth. Leyla responded by going full Sexy Star on her and trying to injure her arm. Shanna immediately disappeared from the roster page and a bunch of never-before-heard allegations about her being toxic backstage and abusing the Dark jobbers came out. I thought the whole thing looked like Leyla wanted to sandbag and take liberties and Shanna wasn't having it, but most people on this board put all the blame for the sandbagging on Shnna, and one of the forum moderators straight up said she deserved to get shoot armbarred.
Well, some guy decided to go through Shanna's matches on Dark looking for her abusing jobbers and couldn't find any, but he did find a match from her younger days where she got angry at her opponent for botching and went full Akira Maeda and kicked the girl in the head full strength, knocking her out.
So I don't know of anything specific she did other than that shoot kick during her rookie days (which should've alone been enough to blackball her from the industry), but as I said about Thunder Rosa months before the shoe dropped, when there's smoke there's fire and people with bad reputations often deserve them.
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Post by XaviersSS2015hair on Jan 10, 2023 22:05:11 GMT -5
I just heard Laurinaitis was booked for a convention by Bobby Fulton and there was so much backlash against it that Fulton had to remove him from the convention. 🤣
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Post by jordo34 on Jan 10, 2023 23:14:44 GMT -5
in regards to Quack not doing anything during speaking out, he's very well known to be an absolute prick and dickhead to people, several stories out there of him just being a total dick to people, holds grudges and is very petty control freak
Joey Ryan, Marty Scrull have effectively being wiped off the wrestling map, looks like finally Teddy Hart has been blackballed, hasn't had a wrestling match since 2020
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Post by XaviersSS2015hair on Jan 11, 2023 0:11:32 GMT -5
in regards to Quack not doing anything during speaking out, he's very well known to be an absolute prick and dickhead to people, several stories out there of him just being a total dick to people, holds grudges and is very petty control freak Joey Ryan, Marty Scrull have effectively being wiped off the wrestling map, looks like finally Teddy Hart has been blackballed, hasn't had a wrestling match since 2020 Just about a month ago Marty announced he signed with AAA.
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Post by yokohamacpfc on Jan 11, 2023 1:09:50 GMT -5
EC3. I can't see AEW or WWE being interested in him. Mediocre wrestler but good talker, I could see him being brought in to form a tag team if they have a talent they like with the reverse problem, to be the Road Dogg to that talents Billy Gunn.
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Post by 06vwgti on Jan 11, 2023 9:20:01 GMT -5
TNA/impact spoiled brat ec3 > cyn weirdo ec3
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Jan 12, 2023 11:05:27 GMT -5
in regards to Quack not doing anything during speaking out, he's very well known to be an absolute prick and dickhead to people, several stories out there of him just being a total dick to people, holds grudges and is very petty control freak Joey Ryan, Marty Scrull have effectively being wiped off the wrestling map, looks like finally Teddy Hart has been blackballed, hasn't had a wrestling match since 2020 Quacks infamous emails to everybody on the Chikara shows showed the guy has some issues. Wish I still had the copies I got sent years ago. I get critquing the matches. But don't send the entire roster,refs,ring crew,etc the entire show. Thought of someone that while I doubt isn't well known is Blackballed from Wrestling. Kevin Northcutt,pretty sure his biggest appearance was some stuff in early TNA days. But LA/MS/AL/GA back then dude was HUGE. But drug issues and other stuff cost him a career. And after #speakingout Andy Dalton is done with wrestling. He is also one of the few accused back then that admited to doing what he did, Apologized and has slow made changes to himself over the past 2 years. Still think he is banned from Houma LA. But that might change in a few years.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jan 12, 2023 17:15:48 GMT -5
Hasn't Shanna burned a few bridges? Or am I confusing her with someone else? No, there's a cloud surrounding Shanna, but it's a really weird one because nobody has ever said anything specific.
For one thing Shanna's an outspoken Conservative, which is basically the 8th Deadly Sin as far as a lot of people in the business are concerned. Apparently she also made an anti-Muslim tweet at some point in response to a bombing that got her tagged as a Bad Person (TM).
Her AEW exit was extra weird and at the time I was 100% on her side. She had this match with Leyla Hirsch that was terrible and clunky, and at one point Shanna slapped the taste out of Leyla's mouth. Leyla responded by going full Sexy Star on her and trying to injure her arm. Shanna immediately disappeared from the roster page and a bunch of never-before-heard allegations about her being toxic backstage and abusing the Dark jobbers came out. I thought the whole thing looked like Leyla wanted to sandbag and take liberties and Shanna wasn't having it, but most people on this board put all the blame for the sandbagging on Shnna, and one of the forum moderators straight up said she deserved to get shoot armbarred.
Well, some guy decided to go through Shanna's matches on Dark looking for her abusing jobbers and couldn't find any, but he did find a match from her younger days where she got angry at her opponent for botching and went full Akira Maeda and kicked the girl in the head full strength, knocking her out. So I don't know of anything specific she did other than that shoot kick during her rookie days (which should've alone been enough to blackball her from the industry), but as I said about Thunder Rosa months before the shoe dropped, when there's smoke there's fire and people with bad reputations often deserve them.
Shanna had some weird tweets at the beginning of the pandemic I think that yeah got her on the end of some negativity. While the Leyla match (wherever you stand on it) was a factor, I think it was more of a final straw thing. But Shanna's bad rep came more from her big leaguing people when she would come to the US for tours years ago. I think it was more of a case of the women she big leagued or had an attitude with now being vets and having more influence.
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Post by Psicofreak667 on Jan 12, 2023 18:13:56 GMT -5
in regards to Quack not doing anything during speaking out, he's very well known to be an absolute prick and dickhead to people, several stories out there of him just being a total dick to people, holds grudges and is very petty control freak The last time Quack stuck his head above water was Mitch Ryder's death. Quack got on twitter and tried to do the 'expressing condolences' routine.
Well, some other people responded by posting the email Mitch wrote to Quack about quitting Chikara. Mitch wasn't just wrestling but also helping with wardrobe and Quack decided to talk shit to the Chikara locker room behind Mitch's back, making fun of the wardrobe designs Mitch was behind and using the f-slur on him. So Mitch emailed Quack a resignation that was basically 'f*** you and the horse you rode in on' for a few paragraphs. This for whatever reason got absolutely zero traction at the time.
However, times had changed and Quack got ratioed into oblivion and told by a lot of wrestlers to just stay away from the business.
As an aside, the copy of the email that circulated had been posted on Something Awful and contained a bunch of SA wordfilters, like "gently caress" for f***. If it was leaked on SA instead of a website known more for pro wrestling, that might be why it was overlooked.
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Post by Burst on Jan 12, 2023 18:18:58 GMT -5
Just about a month ago Marty announced he signed with AAA. Granted, the lucha promotions don't have the greatest reputation for caring about out-of-ring scandals or behavior for the most part. I've also seen him randomly on less well-known European promotions like Prime Time Wrestling, but yeah. Of the names named, he's definitely been the most intent on trucking it out.
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Post by Red Mage Riot on Jan 12, 2023 18:19:26 GMT -5
in regards to Quack not doing anything during speaking out, he's very well known to be an absolute prick and dickhead to people, several stories out there of him just being a total dick to people, holds grudges and is very petty control freak The last time Quack stuck his head above water was Mitch Ryder's death. Quack got on twitter and tried to do the 'expressing condolences' routine.
Well, some other people responded by posting the email Mitch wrote to Quack about quitting Chikara. Mitch wasn't just wrestling but also helping with wardrobe and Quack decided to talk shit to the Chikara locker room behind Mitch's back, making fun of the wardrobe designs Mitch was behind and using the f-slur on him. So Mitch emailed Quack a resignation that was basically 'f*** you and the horse you rode in on' for a few paragraphs. This for whatever reason got absolutely zero traction at the time.
However, times had changed and Quack got ratioed into oblivion and told by a lot of wrestlers to just stay away from the business.
As an aside, the copy of the email that circulated had been posted on Something Awful and contained a bunch of SA wordfilters, like "gently caress" for f***. If it was leaked on SA instead of a website known more for pro wrestling, that might be why it was overlooked.
So ummm, holy shit, today's the day I learned that Mitch Ryder's been dead for two years, apparently. I don't know how that slipped past me. RIP Marvelous One.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Jan 12, 2023 19:06:43 GMT -5
There's someone who tanked all her shit by defending David Starr last year, with rumors that she might actually be dating him for some goddamn reason.
I have been informed that it was Solo Darling
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Post by Red Mage Riot on Jan 12, 2023 19:11:35 GMT -5
There's someone who tanked all her shit by defending David Starr last year, with rumors that she might actually be dating him for some goddamn reason. I wanna say it was Ashley Vox, but feel free to correct me on that. I can't find anything immediately connecting her to Starr, but she must have done SOMETHING to tank her career, she only had one match last year that I can find a record for.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jan 12, 2023 21:13:45 GMT -5
There's someone who tanked all her shit by defending David Starr last year, with rumors that she might actually be dating him for some goddamn reason. I wanna say it was Ashley Vox, but feel free to correct me on that. I can't find anything immediately connecting her to Starr, but she must have done SOMETHING to tank her career, she only had one match last year that I can find a record for. Vox had a fairly significant arm injury last June. Per her twitter she'll be returning to ring soon. She also didn't date David Starr, she was dating Leyla Hirsch but sounds like that break up was rather messy
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