Rate the Rampage!: 12/9/2022

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Dec 12, 2022 18:49:38 GMT -5 jm said:

Dec 12, 2022 18:05:46 GMT -5 @therealoblivion said:

Nothing at all. It was just the usual collection of matches that hardcore AEW fans would love, and casual fans wouldn't care too much about either way. Also, anytime they bring in yet another title it makes everything feel more diluted.

Since you seem to know so much about the mythical "casual fans" demographic, why don't you give us some steps as to how exactly AEW can attract these supposed "casual fans"?

Why? It doesn't matter to me if they attract more fans or not. I don't work for them.

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

Dec 12, 2022 18:54:44 GMT -5 @therealoblivion said:

Dec 12, 2022 18:45:47 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

There's no possible way you could realistically know what fans want to see, especially the mythical "casual viewer" and what they want to see from wrestling

We've had several examples from people on here that have stated actual casual viewers in their friends, have been gripped by AEW's crazy athleticism and spectacle matches, so yeah, I'm tired of this argument and tired of people being so sure what other wrestling fans or "THE CASUAL VIEWER" want to see, which curiously lines up with what the person presenting the argument, personally like and hate in wrestling. Shit's borderline gatekeeping.

I myself am a casual AEW viewer.

You don't speak for every other casual AEW Viewer, is the thing, and you're acting like you are

You're acting like because you subjectively don't like what's being presented, others won't, and it will only appeal to "Hardcore AEW fans", and that's not true, and there's literally no conceivable way you can speak for casual viewers and know what they want to see and what matches appeal to them and don't, because of how wide and subjective opinions are as a whole.

It is essentially gatekeeping to say that matches on this card are something you KNOW casual fans wouldn't care about, I'm not saying this is how you intended to come off, but shit's pretentious as f***, insulting to the wrestlers who put the work in to have matches, and we need way less of it.

[jm]

Dec 12, 2022 18:55:59 GMT -5 @therealoblivion said:

Dec 12, 2022 18:49:38 GMT -5 jm said:

Since you seem to know so much about the mythical "casual fans" demographic, why don't you give us some steps as to how exactly AEW can attract these supposed "casual fans"?

Why? It doesn't matter to me if they attract more fans or not. I don't work for them.

You said that "casual fans wouldn't care about the matches on Rampage", as if you are the ambassador for casual fans worldwide. Then when I ask you how does AEW attract casual fans since you seem to be speaking for all casual fans everywhere, you all of a sudden are back-peddling and saying that you don't work for them.

[polarbearpete]

My goodness with the replies. Not really very welcoming of an AEW critique.

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Dec 12, 2022 20:14:42 GMT -5 jm said:

Dec 12, 2022 18:55:59 GMT -5 @therealoblivion said:

Why? It doesn't matter to me if they attract more fans or not. I don't work for them.

You said that "casual fans wouldn't care about the matches on Rampage", as if you are the ambassador for casual fans worldwide. Then when I ask you how does AEW attract casual fans since you seem to be speaking for all casual fans everywhere, you all of a sudden are back-peddling and saying that you don't work for them.

I apologize for accidentally running over your dog in a past life or whatever.

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Dec 12, 2022 19:41:01 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

Dec 12, 2022 18:54:44 GMT -5 @therealoblivion said:

I myself am a casual AEW viewer.

You don't speak for every other casual AEW Viewer, is the thing, and you're acting like you are

You're acting like because you subjectively don't like what's being presented, others won't, and it will only appeal to "Hardcore AEW fans", and that's not true, and there's literally no conceivable way you can speak for casual viewers and know what they want to see and what matches appeal to them and don't, because of how wide and subjective opinions are as a whole.

It is essentially gatekeeping to say that matches on this card are something you KNOW casual fans wouldn't care about, I'm not saying this is how you intended to come off, but shit's pretentious as f***, insulting to the wrestlers who put the work in to have matches, and we need way less of it.

Okay. Well then replace every time I said " casual fans" with "this particular casual fan".

I apologize for any confusion.

[deezy]

Dec 12, 2022 18:45:47 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

Dec 12, 2022 18:05:46 GMT -5 @therealoblivion said:

Nothing at all. It was just the usual collection of matches that hardcore AEW fans would love, and casual fans wouldn't care too much about either way. Also, anytime they bring in yet another title it makes everything feel more diluted.

There's no possible way you could realistically know what fans want to see, especially the mythical "casual viewer" and what they want to see from wrestling

We've had several examples from people on here that have stated actual casual viewers in their friends, have been gripped by AEW's crazy athleticism and spectacle matches, so yeah, I'm tired of this argument and tired of people being so sure what other wrestling fans or "THE CASUAL VIEWER" want to see, which curiously lines up with what the person presenting the argument, personally like and hate in wrestling. Shit's borderline gatekeeping.

We've also had examples of people here saying their casual viewer friends can't get into AEW, so it goes both ways. Plus you call casual viewers,"mythical" then use casual fans for your argument.

I don't get when people say there is no such thing as "casual viewers" in wrestling anymore. Of course they're is, How many is something none of us know. I tend to think the number is small. Which I've always thought AEW is smart to play to their hardcore fan base.

The NFL have casual viewers who just check out the big/important games. Same with the NBA,MLB and so on. Wrestling isn't any different.

If AEW wants to try to reel in the casual fan, Nothing is wrong with that.

If they don't, Again nothing wrong with that.

He just stated his opinion about AEW and casual fans. It's cool to disagree but the guy got outright attacked Just for stating his opinion on AEW and casual viewers.

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

Dec 12, 2022 23:05:44 GMT -5 deezy said:

Dec 12, 2022 18:45:47 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

There's no possible way you could realistically know what fans want to see, especially the mythical "casual viewer" and what they want to see from wrestling

We've had several examples from people on here that have stated actual casual viewers in their friends, have been gripped by AEW's crazy athleticism and spectacle matches, so yeah, I'm tired of this argument and tired of people being so sure what other wrestling fans or "THE CASUAL VIEWER" want to see, which curiously lines up with what the person presenting the argument, personally like and hate in wrestling. Shit's borderline gatekeeping.

We've also had examples of people here saying their casual viewer friends can't get into AEW, so it goes both ways. Plus you call casual viewers,"mythical" then use casual fans for your argument.

I don't get when people say there is no such thing as "casual viewers" in wrestling anymore. Of course they're is, How many is something none of us know. I tend to think the number is small. Which I've always thought AEW is smart to play to their hardcore fan base.

The NFL have casual viewers who just check out the big/important games. Same with the NBA,MLB and so on. Wrestling isn't any different.

If AEW wants to try to reel in the casual fan, Nothing is wrong with that.

If they don't, Again nothing wrong with that.

He just stated his opinion about AEW and casual fans. It's cool to disagree but the guy got outright attacked Just for stating his opinion on AEW and casual viewers.

I don't care if his opinion is that he's down on AEW or doesn't like it, I hate when an entire viewer base is encapsulated into one statement or argument like people know exactly what everyone thinks or wants to see, like was presented here. Nobody here can broadly speak for Hardcores or Casuals. I didn't get upset that he spoke for himself, no one did here, they got angry that he didn't like a show and then tried to say the matches are what casual viewers wouldn't like

The aspect of casual viewers and what they want, don't want, or even if they're watching certain segments is something that's been rolled around here ad nauseum and it's honestly tiring. As you said there's nothing wrong with AEW going or not going after a casual fan, but it's also, to me, and to others, very annoying when people try and say "Casual fans don't like this" as a broad take when they have no idea how to know that and are speaking for a group of fans they don't know the opinions of. Opinions are too broad to do that kind of blanket statement.

I'm not trying to attack the guy, I'm just saying I hate when arguments like that go from a personal opinion to trying to speak for a majority in projecting that opinion. I think there's a difference. It happens a lot, not just here particularly but in a lot of fandoms when discussing takes.

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Dec 12, 2022 23:05:44 GMT -5 deezy said:

Dec 12, 2022 18:45:47 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

There's no possible way you could realistically know what fans want to see, especially the mythical "casual viewer" and what they want to see from wrestling

We've had several examples from people on here that have stated actual casual viewers in their friends, have been gripped by AEW's crazy athleticism and spectacle matches, so yeah, I'm tired of this argument and tired of people being so sure what other wrestling fans or "THE CASUAL VIEWER" want to see, which curiously lines up with what the person presenting the argument, personally like and hate in wrestling. Shit's borderline gatekeeping.

We've also had examples of people here saying their casual viewer friends can't get into AEW, so it goes both ways. Plus you call casual viewers,"mythical" then use casual fans for your argument.

I don't get when people say there is no such thing as "casual viewers" in wrestling anymore. Of course they're is, How many is something none of us know. I tend to think the number is small. Which I've always thought AEW is smart to play to their hardcore fan base.

The NFL have casual viewers who just check out the big/important games. Same with the NBA,MLB and so on. Wrestling isn't any different.

If AEW wants to try to reel in the casual fan, Nothing is wrong with that.

If they don't, Again nothing wrong with that.

He just stated his opinion about AEW and casual fans. It's cool to disagree but the guy got outright attacked Just for stating his opinion on AEW and casual viewers.

This is how I have always viewed it as well...I know hardly any football players but everyone talks to me about football here in Colts/Bear territory and I only watch big games and Playoff games mainly for the excitement so I would consider myself a casual fan. I think the "will check it out when it's on" fan does still exist because it does exist in many other properties like you stated.

[Cyno]

This is such an exhausting conversation.