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Post by Jumpin' Jesse Walsh on Dec 13, 2022 23:29:38 GMT -5
I was torn between Asuka and Mandy.
Asuka had more memorable matches, but Mandy had the better ending.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2022 23:30:55 GMT -5
No matter who we all voted for, can we agree that they need to stop with these 1-year long (plus a couple months) reigns for a while? I say it and stick by it...a reign should only go 200+ days which is what I personally consider a long reign , it should only ever go that long if the talent holding the title is making everyone else and by proxy the division better. If not then that shit needs to f***ing stop.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Dec 13, 2022 23:31:38 GMT -5
No matter who we all voted for, can we agree that they need to stop with these 1-year long (plus a couple months) reigns for a while? I'm for it, but we're the ones who spent years saying that short reigns were bad because it didn't make for credible champions or credible championships.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 13, 2022 23:32:15 GMT -5
You don't think Candice came out better? Candice actually became more than Garganos wife (which was the running meme about her for the longest time) because of her match with Io....hell the entirety of the Halloween Havoc feud is basically the origins of The Way....Theory helps Johnny win the NA title and Indi almost gets Candice the womens title. Everytime Io and Candice get around one another it is always for the better. No. All things being equal Candice should have beaten Io. Candice was already a heel 5 months by the time she got to Io was a few months into her reign as well. She was basically a big bump card for Io who got one up on her every time. Io was the one who originally turned on Candice as well so none of that came full circle
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Post by A Little Doo Doo on Dec 13, 2022 23:33:11 GMT -5
No matter who we all voted for, can we agree that they need to stop with these 1-year long (plus a couple months) reigns for a while? I'm for it, but we're the ones who spent years saying that short reigns were bad because it didn't make for credible champions or credible championships. For me personally, I think about 6 months is the sweet spot.
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Post by griti kitty on Dec 13, 2022 23:40:17 GMT -5
Asuka, Shayna & Io never kicked the grim reaper in the balls and told them to put some respect on their name.
Asuka is my favorite wrestler of the four, but her and Shayna are hindered to me because both their reigns were primarily on a 1 hour show on the network where I might of checked the spoilers and skipped episodes.
Io had to go up against AEW and deal with pandemic shows, so I was flipping back and forth and missed some things.
Mandy was the only one that full attention and it was part of my favorite current show.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Dec 13, 2022 23:47:18 GMT -5
I'm for it, but we're the ones who spent years saying that short reigns were bad because it didn't make for credible champions or credible championships. For me personally, I think about 6 months is the sweet spot. This has always been my opinion. Long enough where the champ still comes off legit but not too long where it stars to get boring. However yet for some reason they never book any titles reigns this length any more. They are all either short or ridiculously long.
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Post by Harry The Arrow was Wrong! on Dec 13, 2022 23:49:50 GMT -5
I picked Shayna because I am and always will be an unapologetic mark for her and her slow beat your ass down style haha.
Plus her losing to Rhea was a great moment
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Post by A Little Doo Doo on Dec 13, 2022 23:56:55 GMT -5
For me personally, I think about 6 months is the sweet spot. This has always been my opinion. Long enough where the champ still comes off legit but not too long where it stars to get boring. However yet for some reason they never book any titles reigns this length any more. They are all either short or ridiculously long. I will say, there can still be some exceptions. Like I think GUNTHER's been IC Champ for about 7 months now, but I'm still enjoying his reign very much.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Dec 13, 2022 23:58:06 GMT -5
No matter who we all voted for, can we agree that they need to stop with these 1-year long (plus a couple months) reigns for a while? I'm for it, but we're the ones who spent years saying that short reigns were bad because it didn't make for credible champions or credible championships. Even if you do want to grant that idea - which has always been pretty stupid - there's still a world of difference between, "There are too many short reigns," and, "At any given time we have like four year-long reigns happening concurrently." Personally my sweet spot is about three to six months, but I do think you need short reigns every once in awhile. Sometimes a story calls for it, sometimes someone should just get it on their resume but doesn't really need to be champion for long, sometimes you need to have a quick title change or it renders the start of a run absolutely devoid of suspense. Either way though I think if you have a year-long holding pattern in your show with 52 episode a year then you're just a flat out awful writer.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 14, 2022 0:01:28 GMT -5
I'm for it, but we're the ones who spent years saying that short reigns were bad because it didn't make for credible champions or credible championships. Even if you do want to grant that idea - which has always been pretty stupid - there's still a world of difference between, "There are too many short reigns," and, "At any given time we have like four year-long reigns happening concurrently." Personally my sweet spot is about three to six months, but I do think you need short reigns every once in awhile. Sometimes a story calls for it, sometimes someone should just get it on their resume but doesn't really need to be champion for long, sometimes you need to have a quick title change or it renders the start of a run absolutely devoid of suspense. Either way though I think if you have a year-long holding pattern in your show with 52 episode a year then you're just a flat out awful writer. And ultimately, there is nothing wrong with sometimes hot potato the title Coming off a long reign, I wouldn't be mad if Roxanne lost it to Jade and then got it right back. The U.S. title is being used fairly well. Lashley had a good run and Seth got it and lost it before he could really do anything with it but you do want to see him win it back at some point or very least adds that unpredictability while still keeping prestige from the work done previously
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 14, 2022 0:03:32 GMT -5
This has always been my opinion. Long enough where the champ still comes off legit but not too long where it stars to get boring. However yet for some reason they never book any titles reigns this length any more. They are all either short or ridiculously long. I will say, there can still be some exceptions. Like I think GUNTHER's been IC Champ for about 7 months now, but I'm still enjoying his reign very much. And I wouldn't be mad if he lost the title to Sheamus or even Brock at Mania and got it back at Summerslam to hold it for another 3 months It helps that GUNTHER is in the position of bringing the title up so and his style allows him to not really feel like he is doing the same thing over and over again
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2022 0:07:06 GMT -5
Gunter is being booked how every long reign should be booked and how IYO was booked and that is making everyone better for having faced him.
To repeat IMO that should be the solely primary reason for having a super lengthy reign because it not then it needs to not happen because it becomes a f***ing detriment no matter how good one individual story may be.
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Post by Chiral on Dec 14, 2022 0:10:12 GMT -5
I'm for it, but we're the ones who spent years saying that short reigns were bad because it didn't make for credible champions or credible championships. For me personally, I think about 6 months is the sweet spot. Six months is a good number yeah, it isn't too long but long enough to feel like it matters. (I like a mix of short and long ones so don't include me in that we I wasn't on that committee! I am not to blame for wwe deciding to do year long reigns up the wazoo lol)
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Dec 14, 2022 0:13:33 GMT -5
I think the nadir of interminable WWE title reigns is probably AJ's year-long one. Dude's neverending feuds with Nakamura and Joe wouldn't have been anywhere near as dull if he was at least trading wins with them instead of just beating them again and again and again and again.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 14, 2022 0:17:29 GMT -5
I think the nadir of interminable WWE title reigns is probably AJ's year-long one. Dude's neverending feuds with Nakamura and Joe wouldn't have been anywhere near as dull if he was at least trading wins with them instead of just beating them again and again and again and again. It doesn't help that he basically won the title cold off Jinder and everyone and their mother assumed he was just a placeholder for Nak and instead it was an AJ run that I didn't mind but lasted way too long
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