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Post by asuka007 on Dec 15, 2022 8:15:01 GMT -5
We’re gonna be hearing a lot more jokes about the USO’s for awhile I suspect.
And I also get where some people are coming from by pointing out how WWE was completely shameless about capitalizing on Mandy’s sex appeal themselves on TV.
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Post by khali on Dec 15, 2022 9:01:25 GMT -5
I feel like it’s worth pointing out that people are either accidentally or on purpose misrepresenting the extreme nature of what she’s doing on there. She’s pressed up against a guy in the shower and is covering up. You don’t see anything. WWE has probably featured as much female nudity on their programming as she has on her page.
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Post by mistery on Dec 15, 2022 9:10:19 GMT -5
I feel like it’s worth pointing out that people are either accidentally or on purpose misrepresenting the extreme nature of what she’s doing on there. She’s pressed up against a guy in the shower and is covering up. You don’t see anything. WWE has probably featured as much female nudity on their programming as she has on her page. Here's the thing though. It doesn't really matter as the intended viewing of that picture is of them having sex. And that wasn't the only offense she had either. She had videos where she was getting herself off as well.
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Post by Dub H on Dec 15, 2022 9:14:40 GMT -5
I hate to tell people this but if you think the morality clause is unique to only WWE, you would be mistaken. There is one in pretty much every single independent contractor...contract out there. And it generally covers stuff similar to Mandy selling nudes. Mandy is under a greater level of scrutiny because she is a public figure, of a publicly traded company, that has a not insignificant number of kids watching. And major sponsorship deals with toy companies. That makes up a large amount of their revenue. Cool, its stuppid and scummy even in other places.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2022 9:15:33 GMT -5
I aint got much more to say about this entire thing other than I am a bit surprised at such defence for Mandy and shunning WWE when neither one is wrong....Mandy wanted to continue doing this good for her and WWE gave her a warning and she refused to take the warning and so like any other company they let her go.
If Mandy wants to be a sex worker than good on her but trying to run the grift she is (that pricing still makes me laugh) while working for a globally televised company whose chunk of audience is kids was never going to happen and it shouldn't , because no matter what she put behind a paywall it was going to get out sooner than later even more once word started spreading as it has.
And comparing a DUI to someone whipping out their bits is not exactly a 1 to 1 comparison IMO.
If a child saw a mugshot they would just assume it was a picture of someone who just woke up out of bed.
On the other hand if they looked up Mandy Rose and saw her tim bits and doing weird nakey things in the shower gonna be alot of questions.
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Post by Dub H on Dec 15, 2022 9:17:13 GMT -5
imagine if a star of a kids show were profiting off nudes, which is pretty much what this whole Matelle thing is. There is nothing wrong with being a sex worker, but if kids look up to you then I’m sure whatever company they work for wouldn’t be cool with that. I mean Mandy can do her own thing and wwe can hire someone else. They do sexualize Mandy, but nudes are too far There is nothing wrong with the star of a kids show profiting off nudes. It's the human body and they aren't selling that shit to kids. Me from Brazil where the biggest kid show star from all time(here at least) did real porn. Also to pretend a kid doesnt know what a naked body is ,is ridiculous. They wont understand sexual natures but they know what a naked body is.That also bring the question of how they found out the picture, which is a parent issue.
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Dec 15, 2022 9:28:04 GMT -5
What if Goofy pulled his dick out You just know, that there are pictures of this out there.
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Post by Legion on Dec 15, 2022 9:33:26 GMT -5
I hate to tell people this but if you think the morality clause is unique to only WWE, you would be mistaken. Nobody said this. I mean, Jeff Zucker was let go this year from being head of CNN because he was in a relationship with another employee which, understandably, wouldn't really fly as a head of a major division. This stuff happens all the time and I feel a lot of us understand that. All we're saying is be consistent with it. As someone mentioned, it's the same amount of likely that a kid finds out about a DUI or a sexual assault accusation as much as it is someone's naked body online. Same with sponsors or business partners. That implies the morality clause is there because of WWE morals. WWE has no morals. It is there to deal with stuff when sponsors or shareholders get their morals in a twist. This got noticed by Mattel, other stuff either doesnt, or they dont feel it rates the same. External pressure on WWE did for Mandy here, not anyone in WWE deciding she was immoral.
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Post by polarbearpete on Dec 15, 2022 9:35:36 GMT -5
Just to add here because I’m moving on from some of the weirdness in this thread If WWE held up their end on contracts and didn’t just cut them when they felt like it for no reason, even if they “legally” can do that, I’d take seriously the fact that contracts mean something. That’s specifically part of the contract though. It’s essentially a rolling 90-day contract that can be terminated at any time. Almost all employees everywhere can be terminated at any time for any reason.
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Post by polarbearpete on Dec 15, 2022 9:41:16 GMT -5
WWE can be well within their rights to fire a talent for breaching their contract. People can also think that is absolutely ridiculous and that specific clauses shouldn't be in those very, very one-sided contracts. I think a lot of the arguments in this thread are kinda misunderstanding each other. Some people are arguing from a position of can WWE do this and others from a position of whether they should. Rose sold risqué photos in an adults only space and kept it all well away from her work as a WWE talent. Yes, that's against WWE rules. Yes, sponsors won't like it. Yes, society still doesn't accept this stuff. But IMO, that should be none of WWE's business. She's an independent contractor signed to an unfair contract (as all wrestlers are). In situations like this I'll always support the worker over the big corporation. The sponsors not liking it is exactly why it IS WWE’s business, though.
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Post by mistery on Dec 15, 2022 9:43:11 GMT -5
Here is the basic gist of the situation and why WWE likely did this.
- Mandy posts nude photos including some very sexual ones in nature. It leaks out.
- Mattel or another sponsor gets angry and upset about it, as they are a company that is tailored towards kids.
- Mattel reaches out to WWE and asks what the hell is going on.
- WWE pulls Mandy aside and tells her to cut it out. She refuses to do so.
- WWE then fires her to keep Mattel happy.
Now if WWE had kept Mandy Rose around, what likely would have happened is:
- Mattel gets angry and terminates their deal with WWE
- WWE loses out on an incredibly large amount of revenue
- WWE stock takes a significant beating
- WWE has to downsize, and guess who gets the chop first? A bunch of other wrestlers and employees. Definitely not the executives.
If you want to be mad at anyone, get mad at Mattel or other sponsors, although they won't care.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Dec 15, 2022 9:44:41 GMT -5
And comparing a DUI to someone whipping out their bits is not exactly a 1 to 1 comparison IMO. If a child saw a mugshot they would just assume it was a picture of someone who just woke up out of bed. On the other hand if they looked up Mandy Rose and saw her tim bits and doing weird nakey things in the shower gonna be alot of questions. If I were a kid, I’d be asking questions at either thing because both would be unusual. Like, I’ve known kids who have asked a bunch of mundane questions about what someone is wearing or why it rains so imagining they’d blow something off like that doesn’t feel realistic. Like, again, I get their logic. Sex is still seen as a bad thing to flaunt and companies are prudes and don’t want parents at their door. It’s stupid and cowardly but I get it. We don’t need to make up children.
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Post by xCompackx on Dec 15, 2022 9:47:53 GMT -5
I understand the notion of Mattel wanting to protect their image, but I do question this logic of children finding pictures of Mandy Rose or whoever nude and being scarred for life, but finding pictures of Mandy Rose or whoever in revealing attires and bikini shoots and that's not a problem? Just seems like a weird line to draw in the sand here.
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Post by Bo Rida on Dec 15, 2022 9:53:47 GMT -5
Just to add here because I’m moving on from some of the weirdness in this thread If WWE held up their end on contracts and didn’t just cut them when they felt like it for no reason, even if they “legally” can do that, I’d take seriously the fact that contracts mean something. That’s specifically part of the contract though. It’s essentially a rolling 90-day contract that can be terminated at any time. Almost all employees everywhere can be terminated at any time for any reason. *Terminated by WWE at any time. The independent contractor has a lot more restrictions. Yeah technically maybe they can terminate it but not if they want to earn a living with another wrestling company during the originally contracted period.
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Post by cornettesracket on Dec 15, 2022 9:55:03 GMT -5
I hate to tell people this but if you think the morality clause is unique to only WWE, you would be mistaken. Nobody said this. I mean, Jeff Zucker was let go this year from being head of CNN because he was in a relationship with another employee which, understandably, wouldn't really fly as a head of a major division. This stuff happens all the time and I feel a lot of us understand that. All we're saying is be consistent with it. As someone mentioned, it's the same amount of likely that a kid finds out about a DUI or a sexual assault accusation as much as it is someone's naked body online. Same with sponsors or business partners. Well it’s all about protecting the brand unfortunately nowadays and sponsors don’t seem willing to listen to logic or nuance about this stuff. They are paying a lot of money to in this case WWE and they don’t want even a hint of scandal(as they see it which to call this a scandal is nuts), they will act. I don’t think it’s uniquely an American thing but it’s not as reactionary here in Ireland as America. And Ireland used to be(and in some cases still) a very prudish country and a religious one, but that’s mostly gone now.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Dec 15, 2022 9:55:06 GMT -5
What if Goofy pulled his dick out That's A-hyucked up. Gawrsh.
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Post by mistery on Dec 15, 2022 9:56:59 GMT -5
I understand the notion of Mattel wanting to protect their image, but I do question this logic of children finding pictures of Mandy Rose or whoever nude and being scarred for life, but finding pictures of Mandy Rose or whoever in revealing attires and bikini shoots and that's not a problem? Just seems like a weird line to draw in the sand here. That's just modern society/human nature in general. People generally aren't comfortable looking at others naked, or having it shoved in their faces as its taught from a very young age that being naked is something to be ashamed of. Also depending on the country, full on nudity could be considered pornographic in nature, even if nothing is happening. It also doesn't help that the biggest payment processors on the planet (Visa, Mastercard, PayPal) associate porn with human trafficking/abuse, which has unfortunately been proven true in some situations (see the Mindgeek/Visa stuff). Companies aren't going to take the risk, no matter how small it is. Because it only takes one bad apple to ruin the entire bunch.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2022 10:02:31 GMT -5
Man ima just walk away from this thread after I say my last peace.
To me an on going sex worker should not be anywhere near a company that in anyway gears itself towards children no if ands or buts.
Mandy has every right to do what she wants in that field away from WWE and WWE had the right to fire her doubly so after they gave her a warning and she persisted.
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Post by humanoid33 on Dec 15, 2022 10:02:46 GMT -5
I remember when asked about Chyna being inducted into the HOF, HHH’s reply was basically that he doesn’t want kids to look her up and find her porn videos. I’m assuming he used the same logic here. If this was strictly prohibited in her contract, then yeah, I guess she knew what was she was dealing with but I don’t really agree with this stigma that comes with sex work and women posting content on sites like onlyfans. To me, it should be the same as wrestlers having their own twitch channel, they should be free to create content outside the job as they’re independent contractors but that’s an entirely different conversation. I can’t say I watched a lot of her NXT run but I wish her the best.
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Post by ChitownKnight on Dec 15, 2022 10:21:07 GMT -5
I agree that the world is more liberal now than it was like 30 years ago, but i don’t think we are there yet and you certain can’t blame wwe for taking the position they did. We can and should. A female talent being fired because photographic proof her nipples exist is on the Internet while a male talent can literally break the law in a way that results in over 10,000 deaths per year in the U.S. alone (and does so multiple times) and the company publicly defends its right to take no action is a stunning piece of hypocrisy that should not go unnoticed. To be fair it’s a new regime though. I know Jimmy Uso has his DUIs and all that but has he got one since Hunter was put in charge? On that note I hope to god he doesn’t f*** up before the bloodline story is over (or at all)
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