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Post by Feargus McReddit on Dec 19, 2022 11:58:14 GMT -5
Tay Melo; Marina Shafir; some would argue Gallows & Anderson, Matt Hardy, Hager (though he wasn’t fired), Bobby Fish, Bates Plus Mandy is a pretty good in-ring wrestler now. Not exceptional or anything but she can hold her own. Uhh, Tay Melo is somebody that got called out for actually improving astronomically after she left WWE? She's solid. Matt Hardy only really started getting bad in the last year or so. I think it could be argued everybody on this list is just "fine" with Marina and Bates being the only genuine 'bad' wrestlers. And even with Marina, she’s not officially signed as far as it seems from the “canon” with a graphic and such and Bates isn’t even there to be a wrestler. Dude doesn’t even mention Rebel, an actually bad wrestler but I don’t even know if she got a graphic nor is her primary role to be one so I can’t rag on her too much either.
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Post by polarbearpete on Dec 19, 2022 11:58:52 GMT -5
Tay Melo; Marina Shafir; some would argue Gallows & Anderson, Matt Hardy, Hager (though he wasn’t fired), Bobby Fish, Bates Plus Mandy is a pretty good in-ring wrestler now. Not exceptional or anything but she can hold her own. Uhh, Tay Melo is somebody that got called out for actually improving astronomically after she left WWE? She's solid. Matt Hardy only really started getting bad in the last year or so. I think it could be argued everybody on this list is just "fine" with Marina and Bates being the only genuine 'bad' wrestlers. Melo did improve but the point was about when they were signed by Khan. Was Melo at that point a much better wrestler than Mandy is now? I think they were in the same ballpark.
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Post by darbus alan on Dec 19, 2022 11:59:31 GMT -5
Tay Melo; Marina Shafir; some would argue Gallows & Anderson, Matt Hardy, Hager (though he wasn’t fired), Bobby Fish, Bates Plus Mandy is a pretty good in-ring wrestler now. Not exceptional or anything but she can hold her own. Uhh, Tay Melo is somebody that got called out for actually improving astronomically after she left WWE? She's solid. Matt Hardy only really started getting bad in the last year or so. I think it could be argued everybody on this list is just "fine" with Marina and Bates being the only genuine 'bad' wrestlers. Yeah, like I don't like Bobby Fish for a number of reasons. But he's solid in the ring.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Dec 19, 2022 11:59:38 GMT -5
I’ll stop you right there because this wrecks your entire point for how wrong this is. Tay had upside with NXT and was improving towards the end of her run there when they cut her, but I wouldn’t say when she was cut by AEW she was an appreciably better wrestler than Mandy. They’re in the same tier. People are talking about Mandy like she’s Mel or something. I think the difference between someone like Tay and someone like Mandy is that Tay was clearly in the developmental phase of her career learning wise whereas Mandy has been around for a long time and wrestling on TV for most of it and has largely remained at the same level (which is fine but she hasn't really shown she can take her game to the next level).
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Post by polarbearpete on Dec 19, 2022 12:01:08 GMT -5
Uhh, Tay Melo is somebody that got called out for actually improving astronomically after she left WWE? She's solid. Matt Hardy only really started getting bad in the last year or so. I think it could be argued everybody on this list is just "fine" with Marina and Bates being the only genuine 'bad' wrestlers. And even with Marina, she’s not officially signed as far as it seems from the “canon” with a graphic and such and Bates isn’t even there to be a wrestler. Dude doesn’t even mention Rebel, an actually bad wrestler but I don’t even know if she got a graphic nor is her primary role to be one so I can’t rag on her too much either. Okay, dude. What does Rebel have to do with the point of AEW not signing WWE releases that are equal to or worse than Mandy in-ring? I think Rebel maybe worked one match for NXT as enhancement talent.
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Post by darbus alan on Dec 19, 2022 12:04:52 GMT -5
Uhh, Tay Melo is somebody that got called out for actually improving astronomically after she left WWE? She's solid. Matt Hardy only really started getting bad in the last year or so. I think it could be argued everybody on this list is just "fine" with Marina and Bates being the only genuine 'bad' wrestlers. Melo did improve but the point was about when they were signed by Khan. Was Melo at that point a much better wrestler than Mandy is now? I think they were in the same ballpark. Melo was a WWE developmental name who had a tryout phase with AEW during the tag team invitational, impressed both fans and people backstage, and got signed off her talent. They didn't sign her just to sign her.
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Post by polarbearpete on Dec 19, 2022 12:07:12 GMT -5
Melo did improve but the point was about when they were signed by Khan. Was Melo at that point a much better wrestler than Mandy is now? I think they were in the same ballpark. Melo was a WWE developmental name who had a tryout phase with AEW during the tag team invitational, impressed both fans and people and got signed off her talent. Yes they’re not exact replica scenarios. But they’re both women’s wrestlers in a similar tier wrestling-wise in-ring. The original point I was responding to was that Khan doesn’t sign WWE releases that aren’t good in-ring. And my point was showing wrestlers that were cut that they did sign that were no better then than Mandy is now.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Dec 19, 2022 12:08:40 GMT -5
Melo did improve but the point was about when they were signed by Khan. Was Melo at that point a much better wrestler than Mandy is now? I think they were in the same ballpark. Melo was a WWE developmental name who had a tryout phase with AEW during the tag team invitational, impressed both fans and people backstage, and got signed off her talent. They didn't sign her just to sign her. Like, if they were signing people just to sign them, WWE in 2020 gave AEW plenty of choice and the people to take the most advantage of that was Impact.
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Post by polarbearpete on Dec 19, 2022 12:10:22 GMT -5
Melo was a WWE developmental name who had a tryout phase with AEW during the tag team invitational, impressed both fans and people backstage, and got signed off her talent. They didn't sign her just to sign her. Like, if they were signing people just to sign them, WWE in 2020 gave AEW plenty of choice and the people to take the most advantage of that was Impact. When did I ever say they were just signing people to sign them? I was comparing the talents of Mandy to some cuts they did sign. Obviously they’ve not just gone out and signed all the ex-WWE wrestlers there are regardless of talent.
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Post by darbus alan on Dec 19, 2022 12:13:37 GMT -5
Melo was a WWE developmental name who had a tryout phase with AEW during the tag team invitational, impressed both fans and people and got signed off her talent. Yes they’re not exact replica scenarios. But they’re both women’s wrestlers in a similar tier wrestling-wise in-ring. The original point I was responding to was that Khan doesn’t sign WWE releases that aren’t good in-ring. And my point was showing wrestlers that were cut that they did sign that were no better then than Mandy is now. And if Tay didn't impress when she was brought in, she wouldn't have been offered a contract. She's just a bad example because there's lot of difference between Mandy and Tay's levels of experience on top of that.
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Post by polarbearpete on Dec 19, 2022 12:16:08 GMT -5
Yes they’re not exact replica scenarios. But they’re both women’s wrestlers in a similar tier wrestling-wise in-ring. The original point I was responding to was that Khan doesn’t sign WWE releases that aren’t good in-ring. And my point was showing wrestlers that were cut that they did sign that were no better then than Mandy is now. And if Tay didn't impress when she was brought in, she wouldn't have been offered a contract. She's just a bad example because there's lot of difference between Mandy and Tay's levels of experience on top of that. It’s years later now and is Tay much better than Mandy in ring? I don’t think so but maybe I’m higher on Mandy than most. I think she has solid charisma, good buzz, good look and can give you a 3-star match.
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Post by darbus alan on Dec 19, 2022 12:19:55 GMT -5
I've never seen a Mandy Rose match that impressed me. Best I can say about her is that she's competent in the ring, but it took awhile to get there.
Granted, a big part of that might be that WWE rushed her up to the main roster. Between Tough Enough and her main roster debut, she only spent about a year in developmental.
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Post by 06vwgti on Dec 19, 2022 12:23:29 GMT -5
Uhh, Tay Melo is somebody that got called out for actually improving astronomically after she left WWE? She's solid. Matt Hardy only really started getting bad in the last year or so. I think it could be argued everybody on this list is just "fine" with Marina and Bates being the only genuine 'bad' wrestlers. And even with Marina, she’s not officially signed as far as it seems from the “canon” with a graphic and such and Bates isn’t even there to be a wrestler. Dude doesn’t even mention Rebel, an actually bad wrestler but I don’t even know if she got a graphic nor is her primary role to be one so I can’t rag on her too much either. I think rebel does backstage makeup. Bates also has a backstage role too as a main function so I wouldnt even put her on that list.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Dec 19, 2022 12:35:25 GMT -5
Yes they’re not exact replica scenarios. But they’re both women’s wrestlers in a similar tier wrestling-wise in-ring. The original point I was responding to was that Khan doesn’t sign WWE releases that aren’t good in-ring. And my point was showing wrestlers that were cut that they did sign that were no better then than Mandy is now. And if Tay didn't impress when she was brought in, she wouldn't have been offered a contract. She's just a bad example because there's lot of difference between Mandy and Tay's levels of experience on top of that. Just to support, AEW tried out Rachael Ellering at the same time as Tay, and she sure as hell didn't stick around.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2022 12:38:34 GMT -5
I haven't really seen him sign someone who got fired who isn't a good wrestler (Skill wise) just because it's a name to sign. Tay Melo; Marina Shafir; some would argue Gallows & Anderson, Matt Hardy, Hager (though he wasn’t fired), Bobby Fish, Bates Plus Mandy is a pretty good in-ring wrestler now. Not exceptional or anything but she can hold her own.
Tay is a heat magnet from hell as part of her act with Sammy, and she's passable in the ring. She makes sense.
Marina Shafir is in AEW Dark Purgatory, so it's not like she's getting pushed
Gallows and Anderson were never really signed and disappeared shortly thereafter
Matt Hardy is a "good hand" who's main value is probably more behind the scenes than in front of the camera.
Hager is a boring goon, but it's not like he's in major matches every week.
Bobby Fish sucks as a human being and I thought ReDragon were a boring team, but he's a very competent wrestler.
Bates is also more or less a backstage hire who just so happens to be a beloved performer to a segment of the audience and doesn't mind to to a J O B.
And as for Rebel... c'mon, Rebel's had 1 match in the year 2022 and like 15 matches in AEW period. She's the hair and makeup person who does double duty as Britt's version of a stooge. She's not taking time away from anybody.
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Post by polarbearpete on Dec 19, 2022 12:51:10 GMT -5
Tay Melo; Marina Shafir; some would argue Gallows & Anderson, Matt Hardy, Hager (though he wasn’t fired), Bobby Fish, Bates Plus Mandy is a pretty good in-ring wrestler now. Not exceptional or anything but she can hold her own.
Tay is a heat magnet from hell as part of her act with Sammy, and she's passable in the ring. She makes sense.
Marina Shafir is in AEW Dark Purgatory, so it's not like she's getting pushed
Gallows and Anderson were never really signed and disappeared shortly thereafter
Matt Hardy is a "good hand" who's main value is probably more behind the scenes than in front of the camera.
Hager is a boring goon, but it's not like he's in major matches every week.
Bobby Fish sucks as a human being and I thought ReDragon were a boring team, but he's a very competent wrestler.
Bates is also more or less a backstage hire who just so happens to be a beloved performer to a segment of the audience and doesn't mind to to a J O B.
And as for Rebel... c'mon, Rebel's had 1 match in the year 2022 and like 15 matches in AEW period. She's the hair and makeup person who does double duty as Britt's version of a stooge. She's not taking time away from anybody.
I wasnt arguing against the signing of those people, I was more advocating for Rose to be signed as well and comparing the in-ring prospects of them. Everyone just assumes there’s like some AEW vs. WWE debate going on for every topic lol
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Post by 06vwgti on Dec 19, 2022 12:55:12 GMT -5
Tay is a heat magnet from hell as part of her act with Sammy, and she's passable in the ring. She makes sense. Marina Shafir is in AEW Dark Purgatory, so it's not like she's getting pushed
Gallows and Anderson were never really signed and disappeared shortly thereafter Matt Hardy is a "good hand" who's main value is probably more behind the scenes than in front of the camera.
Hager is a boring goon, but it's not like he's in major matches every week.
Bobby Fish sucks as a human being and I thought ReDragon were a boring team, but he's a very competent wrestler.
Bates is also more or less a backstage hire who just so happens to be a beloved performer to a segment of the audience and doesn't mind to to a J O B.
And as for Rebel... c'mon, Rebel's had 1 match in the year 2022 and like 15 matches in AEW period. She's the hair and makeup person who does double duty as Britt's version of a stooge. She's not taking time away from anybody.
I wasnt arguing against the signing of those people, I was more advocating for Rose to be signed as well and comparing the in-ring prospects of them. Everyone just assumes there’s like some AEW vs. WWE debate going on for every topic lol Not really...but I also recalled you argued for Braun to be signed too before the cyn nonsense
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Post by polarbearpete on Dec 19, 2022 13:02:22 GMT -5
I wasnt arguing against the signing of those people, I was more advocating for Rose to be signed as well and comparing the in-ring prospects of them. Everyone just assumes there’s like some AEW vs. WWE debate going on for every topic lol Not really...but I also recalled you argued for Braun to be signed too before the cyn nonsense Probably, and what’s wrong with that? Braun would’ve been a good fit I think. He’d matchup well with a lot of the talent there for some intriguing matchups, IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2022 13:05:01 GMT -5
Tay and Mandy are the same mold of they are at best passable (when they have a capable partner) to fill out the depth but no division should ever ever be built around them.
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Post by darbus alan on Dec 19, 2022 13:08:23 GMT -5
Tay is a heat magnet from hell as part of her act with Sammy, and she's passable in the ring. She makes sense.
Marina Shafir is in AEW Dark Purgatory, so it's not like she's getting pushed
Gallows and Anderson were never really signed and disappeared shortly thereafter
Matt Hardy is a "good hand" who's main value is probably more behind the scenes than in front of the camera.
Hager is a boring goon, but it's not like he's in major matches every week.
Bobby Fish sucks as a human being and I thought ReDragon were a boring team, but he's a very competent wrestler.
Bates is also more or less a backstage hire who just so happens to be a beloved performer to a segment of the audience and doesn't mind to to a J O B.
And as for Rebel... c'mon, Rebel's had 1 match in the year 2022 and like 15 matches in AEW period. She's the hair and makeup person who does double duty as Britt's version of a stooge. She's not taking time away from anybody.
I wasnt arguing against the signing of those people, I was more advocating for Rose to be signed as well and comparing the in-ring prospects of them. Everyone just assumes there’s like some AEW vs. WWE debate going on for every topic lol To be fair, the post that started all this was a "lol Tony Khan signs all the WWE castoffs" comment.
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