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Post by canceled4truth on Dec 16, 2022 16:19:40 GMT -5
What if Vince came back to Raw, but it was Vince Guaraldi, and the Charlie Brown Christmas soundtrack played during matches?
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Dec 16, 2022 16:24:08 GMT -5
Not watched any Russo booked stuff outside of 1998, eh I'm taking 3 hours of Car Crash TV over what I've been watching for the past 14 years to be honest. Meh fair enough I was being pretty twatty anyway
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Dec 16, 2022 17:14:31 GMT -5
Vince Russo absolutely never knew how to create a TV show. Russo had people around him who did and they dragged his disaster scripts to something that sometimes resembled television shows. Go watch 2010 TNA and tell me he knows how to make a TV show. This, this, and more this. Russo has had chance after chance. The only success he had was WWF 97 and 98. And 2000 once he was gone was even more successful. So maybe, just maybe he wasnt the one behind most of the success of the attitude era. Russo only even got the 'success' he had because he had the stars aligned for him, the top talents in place, and a sensibility that landed well with the zeitgeist at the time. He would have been a f***ing disgrace without all that to push his stock up, and a lot of what he did is a f***ing disgrace to look back on. More than anyone else alive, Russo has benefited from the highlight reel of time making his successes seem big and burying his failures. But Russo hash ad more years making utterly unbearable, viewer-repellant television than he had years making good television.
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Post by fw91 on Dec 16, 2022 17:15:54 GMT -5
Reluctantly, I agree. Shit person who can be detrimental if works without a filter, but he knew how to create a tv show. Vince Russo absolutely never knew how to create a TV show. Russo had people around him who did and they dragged his disaster scripts to something that sometimes resembled television shows. Go watch 2010 TNA and tell me he knows how to make a TV show. i didn't mean literal scripts. But the filler was minimal and the matches that didn't matter didn't over stay their welcome. Everything contributed to the overall plot of the episode. With a filter of course. But I much prefer crash tv than the more boring trends of the last decade-plus.
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Post by fw91 on Dec 16, 2022 17:17:52 GMT -5
Like I know I'm a minority, but I'd rather watch a 3 minute Steve Blackman match that contributed to a story than let's say a 25 minute Johnny Gargano match that didn't really mean anything even if the latter was a better match.
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Post by darbus alan on Dec 16, 2022 17:21:31 GMT -5
This, this, and more this. Russo has had chance after chance. The only success he had was WWF 97 and 98. And 2000 once he was gone was even more successful. So maybe, just maybe he wasnt the one behind most of the success of the attitude era. Russo only even got the 'success' he had because he had the stars aligned for him, the top talents in place, and a sensibility that landed well with the zeitgeist at the time. He would have been a f***ing disgrace without all that to push his stock up, and a lot of what he did is a f***ing disgrace to look back on. More than anyone else alive, Russo has benefited from the highlight reel of time making his successes seem big and burying his failures. But Russo hash ad more years making utterly unbearable, viewer-repellant television than he had years making good television. The success of the Attitude Era has lionized Russo's reputation among some fans even though he wasn't even responsible for its best parts. And in spite of all the other evidence that he's just really shitty at everything else he's done since.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Dec 16, 2022 17:31:57 GMT -5
Vince Russo absolutely never knew how to create a TV show. Russo had people around him who did and they dragged his disaster scripts to something that sometimes resembled television shows. Go watch 2010 TNA and tell me he knows how to make a TV show. i didn't mean literal scripts. But the filler was minimal and the matches that didn't matter didn't over stay their welcome. Everything contributed to the overall plot of the episode. With a filter of course. But I much prefer crash tv than the more boring trends of the last decade-plus. No but that's what I'm saying. His shows didn't do that. I have watched so many episodes of Russo-written TNA where literally none of those things. I've seen tons of matches that meant nothing and I've seen tons of rudderless, filler-heavy hours of television. He doesn't actually know how to do that as well as people give him credit for and he proved that he doesn't actually write with that foundational backbone at all, he just sucks up credit for that from other people. Again, 2010 TNA. His most recent time writing a major promotion is a massive rebuttal to the claims of what he brings and if it takes 'a filter' to make his shows actually cohere together but also his ideas are terrible then what is he contributing?
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Post by defectiveepitaph on Dec 16, 2022 20:02:26 GMT -5
If he was brought in as an on screen heel, then some of the audience would be unified in hating him and he'd get plenty of heat. If he was brought in as a behind the scenes/creative type, then the worst aspects of the attitude era would be on the screen, but somehow even worse since it would be stale & outdated. Sadly your right...The amount of venom heat he would get if they paraded him out there as a full blown heel that acted like he had no clue why everyone hates him (so likely how he really is) would be legendary I think you’re overestimating the audience, I doubt most regular WWE fans know who tf Vince Russo is at this point.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2022 20:04:36 GMT -5
Sadly your right...The amount of venom heat he would get if they paraded him out there as a full blown heel that acted like he had no clue why everyone hates him (so likely how he really is) would be legendary I think you’re overestimating the audience, I doubt most regular WWE fans know who tf Vince Russo is at this point. Oh sorry I misread and meant if they brought Vince McMahon back the real heat and venom would be insane. WWE missed the boat on Russo...WrestleCrap apparently just signed him as posted in (W)rest lol
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Post by defectiveepitaph on Dec 16, 2022 20:06:08 GMT -5
I think you’re overestimating the audience, I doubt most regular WWE fans know who tf Vince Russo is at this point. Oh sorry I misread and meant if they brought Vince McMahon back the real heat and venom would be insane. WWE missed the boat on Russo...WrestleCrap apparently just signed him as posted in (W)rest lol Based on his last appearance, the audience mostly cheer and bow, they love Vinnoe Mac.
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Post by darbus alan on Dec 16, 2022 20:59:35 GMT -5
i didn't mean literal scripts. But the filler was minimal and the matches that didn't matter didn't over stay their welcome. Everything contributed to the overall plot of the episode. With a filter of course. But I much prefer crash tv than the more boring trends of the last decade-plus. No but that's what I'm saying. His shows didn't do that. I have watched so many episodes of Russo-written TNA where literally none of those things. I've seen tons of matches that meant nothing and I've seen tons of rudderless, filler-heavy hours of television. He doesn't actually know how to do that as well as people give him credit for and he proved that he doesn't actually write with that foundational backbone at all, he just sucks up credit for that from other people. Again, 2010 TNA. His most recent time writing a major promotion is a massive rebuttal to the claims of what he brings and if it takes 'a filter' to make his shows actually cohere together but also his ideas are terrible then what is he contributing? Russo was so bad that bringing him back to TNA contributed to why they lost their deal with Spike.
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Post by Banjo Is Broken on Dec 17, 2022 2:13:09 GMT -5
What if former ROH wrestler Vincent came to the WWE, brought Preston Vance with him, and they were managed by former WWE Diva Ashley Valence?
They would be Vince, Vance, and the Valence.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Dec 17, 2022 9:02:17 GMT -5
Russo only even got the 'success' he had because he had the stars aligned for him, the top talents in place, and a sensibility that landed well with the zeitgeist at the time. He would have been a f***ing disgrace without all that to push his stock up, and a lot of what he did is a f***ing disgrace to look back on. More than anyone else alive, Russo has benefited from the highlight reel of time making his successes seem big and burying his failures. But Russo hash ad more years making utterly unbearable, viewer-repellant television than he had years making good television. The success of the Attitude Era has lionized Russo's reputation among some fans even though he wasn't even responsible for its best parts. And in spite of all the other evidence that he's just really shitty at everything else he's done since.
a lot of these fans believe the same distorted bullshit about Vince Russo's role in creating the Attitude Era that led to him getting hired and given carte blanche by WCW.
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Post by wildojinx on Dec 22, 2022 0:41:45 GMT -5
What if it was Vince Neil?
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