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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jan 9, 2023 11:47:51 GMT -5
It's possible some stuff might change that makes sense to the wrestling world but doesn't make sense to the non-wrestling world. Take house shows for example. They're a staple of WWE for decades. But I could see an executive coming in and saying - we're paying these guys millions of dollars to produce a TV product and we're having them risk injury in random places across the country in front of 2K-5K people every week?
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jan 9, 2023 11:53:50 GMT -5
It's possible some stuff might change that makes sense to the wrestling world but doesn't make sense to the non-wrestling world. Take house shows for example. They're a staple of WWE for decades. But I could see an executive coming in and saying - we're paying these guys millions of dollars to produce a TV product and we're having them risk injury in random places across the country in front of 2K-5K people every week? I’d say that was the plan for 2020 when they said they were going to kill house shows before the pandemic basically told them they needed to make up for lost time by doing house shows again but yeah, anyone coming in would right away shut those down completely.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jan 9, 2023 12:11:23 GMT -5
It's possible some stuff might change that makes sense to the wrestling world but doesn't make sense to the non-wrestling world. Take house shows for example. They're a staple of WWE for decades. But I could see an executive coming in and saying - we're paying these guys millions of dollars to produce a TV product and we're having them risk injury in random places across the country in front of 2K-5K people every week? I’d say that was the plan for 2020 when they said they were going to kill house shows before the pandemic basically told them they needed to make up for lost time by doing house shows again but yeah, anyone coming in would right away shut those down completely. Are house shows still money losers? I thought that wasn’t the case anymore as they’ve switched to guaranteed contracts for most of the talent (so not being paid any extra/different for each show worked).
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Jan 9, 2023 12:13:59 GMT -5
Here is the general manager of Raw, Mr. Mouse!
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Post by celtics543 on Jan 9, 2023 12:24:19 GMT -5
I'd say nothing changes except that they're now in the WCW position of being at the mercy of the network that owns them. I'd assume NBC or Disney or whoever would just have the company go on as normal and things only get bad if they start losing money.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2023 12:41:55 GMT -5
It's possible some stuff might change that makes sense to the wrestling world but doesn't make sense to the non-wrestling world. Take house shows for example. They're a staple of WWE for decades. But I could see an executive coming in and saying - we're paying these guys millions of dollars to produce a TV product and we're having them risk injury in random places across the country in front of 2K-5K people every week? I could definitely see that. If it's a non-wrestling person that doesn't understand the reason for house shows, they'd see it like how baseball players have in their contract that they can't do certain stuff during the off season that might get them hurt or television shows that don't want their actors getting hurt before they start filming. If a network owns the company, they'd run it more like a television show: do your rehearsals by yourselves before we let the audience in, and then "do it for real" for the audience to film it, and that's it. I could see it becoming more like wcw in the mid 90s, no house shows, just do the television tapings to keep the stories going, but don't do anything physical other than that. Or if nbc/universal buys it, it could be like tna at universal, wwe on a soundstage and the audience is part of the tour of the park kind of thing.
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Post by Push R Truth on Jan 9, 2023 12:46:00 GMT -5
Either less dancing large men/women, or more dancing large men/women.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jan 9, 2023 13:33:27 GMT -5
I’d say that was the plan for 2020 when they said they were going to kill house shows before the pandemic basically told them they needed to make up for lost time by doing house shows again but yeah, anyone coming in would right away shut those down completely. Are house shows still money losers? I thought that wasn’t the case anymore as they’ve switched to guaranteed contracts for most of the talent (so not being paid any extra/different for each show worked). They're not money losers right now since business picked up post pandemic but they're obviously a drop in the bucket compared to their other money sources.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jan 9, 2023 13:37:13 GMT -5
Are house shows still money losers? I thought that wasn’t the case anymore as they’ve switched to guaranteed contracts for most of the talent (so not being paid any extra/different for each show worked). They're not money losers right now since business picked up post pandemic but they're obviously a drop in the bucket compared to their other money sources. And they’d be an easy thing to cut to prioritize other things that’ll make more money for the expense. These things aren’t usually about cutting what loses money but cutting stuff that’ll not go towards making the most money and the TV product is astronomically higher for a start. The exception would be if you could argue they’re something like Marvel still producing comics because they’re idea factories for the media division and maybe turning house shows to what they used to be, a testing ground for ideas before they make it to TV?
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Post by polarbearpete on Jan 9, 2023 13:51:29 GMT -5
They're not money losers right now since business picked up post pandemic but they're obviously a drop in the bucket compared to their other money sources. And they’d be an easy thing to cut to prioritize other things that’ll make more money for the expense. These things aren’t usually about cutting what loses money but cutting stuff that’ll not go towards making the most money and the TV product is astronomically higher for a start. The exception would be if you could argue they’re something like Marvel still producing comics because they’re idea factories for the media division and maybe turning house shows to what they used to be, a testing ground for ideas before they make it to TV? I think the analogy there would be that the house shows are to allow the talent to further develop in-ring, as a ground floor method for getting new fans in certain areas of the country, and then also to develop and test ideas that may be used on TV.
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Post by Aceorton on Jan 9, 2023 14:11:55 GMT -5
And they’d be an easy thing to cut to prioritize other things that’ll make more money for the expense. These things aren’t usually about cutting what loses money but cutting stuff that’ll not go towards making the most money and the TV product is astronomically higher for a start. The exception would be if you could argue they’re something like Marvel still producing comics because they’re idea factories for the media division and maybe turning house shows to what they used to be, a testing ground for ideas before they make it to TV? I think the analogy there would be that the house shows are to allow the talent to further develop in-ring, as a ground floor method for getting new fans in certain areas of the country, and then also to develop and test ideas that may be used on TV. Let's not also forget that house shows give fans in smaller markets (and those in markets that often go long stretches of time between getting a TV taping or premium event) a chance to see the performers in person, engage more directly with the product, buy merch, etc. The thrill of a live event can't be replicated by just watching the TV shows every week. Having the opportunity to see it in the flesh helps keep the fandom strong, just like with baseball, basketball, hockey or any real pro sport. Not that I necessarily think a new owner would understand this ...
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jan 9, 2023 23:38:33 GMT -5
Not that I necessarily think a new owner would understand this ... The present owners were going to axe them so I’d almost say they don’t understand them either.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jan 10, 2023 2:53:27 GMT -5
Nobody on the show will be allowed to say the word 'the.'
Besides that not very much
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Post by tekkenguy on Jan 10, 2023 4:49:28 GMT -5
Nothing. As much as I would love to see Vince eat shit as his product slowly falls apart the reality is they'll probably get 3-4m consistent ratings because of all this. Dude is karma proof Are the new owners even going to keep Vince around?
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Post by DichEvans on Jan 10, 2023 4:55:08 GMT -5
I honestly don't know how likely it is that WWE finds a buyer. But if they do, how much do things change? Does the new buyer drop Saudi shows? Mass firings? Brodus Clay brought back to dethrone Roman? NXT 3.0 featuring pets? MAYBE we see what Disney did to the MCU/Star Wars, but in saying that the people doing that at Disney are long term movie producers who probably have no idea how wrestling works. You also have live crowds you have to appease and if fans got a sniff of third party influencing the product, the fans would just ruin the show like what they did with Roman's first face push Worst case scenario, you get what happened in WCW where random executives hire someone like Russo and you get 27 different world champions in one calendar year
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jan 10, 2023 11:04:41 GMT -5
Just to also add to this, just because WWE would make a bunch of cuts to cater to an acquisition doesn't mean any potential parent company wouldn't make their own cuts to make it fit with any direction for the company.
Too many times when these things happen, more people have to be cut and stuff has to be changed to make it work so even if Nick, Steph and Vince cut everyone except the Bloodline, Rollins, Owens, Flair, Lynch and Bayley, that doesn't mean the last person on the website or whoever runs uploads for UpUpDownDown is necessarily safe either when the sale gets confirmed.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jan 10, 2023 11:14:51 GMT -5
If you go by the conservative mindset of big changes? Probably not much short term but a lot would change within 3 years (see Turner mergers with Time Warner and AOL) but there's also a chance a company could pay not like what they see and go scorched earth (see WBD merger)
Apples and oranges from a sale to a merger but still the general idea remains the same
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jan 10, 2023 11:17:45 GMT -5
I could also see new owners taking a look at the NXT model. One could obviously argue that it's a very necessary expense because it produces a lot of top tier talent but I could also see someone just looking at the costs and saying "why do we run this multi million dollar operation when they can just go learn elsewhere and we'll sign them when they're ready like the UFC does?"
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jan 10, 2023 11:26:48 GMT -5
I could also see new owners taking a look at the NXT model. One could obviously argue that it's a very necessary expense because it produces a lot of top tier talent but I could also see someone just looking at the costs and saying "why do we run this multi million dollar operation when they can just go learn elsewhere and we'll sign them when they're ready like the UFC does?" That’s a fair point too considering out of that list (and not counting the Saudis), the only media entity to have sports acquisition experience is Disney with the Anaheim Ducks but sports development is different from how WWE develops their talent and it’s a coin flip if, say, Comcast is interested in it even with developmental being on cable right now. Like, a lot of it could be “things stay as they are but trimmed” or “things need to be leaner than they were before” depending on who buys them and their intentions. We really don’t know anything besides the fact Vince is likely to demand the top job and I don’t see him as a guy to care much about the drawbacks of that as long as he has that.
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Post by Loser troll. Please ban me on Jan 10, 2023 11:27:25 GMT -5
Nothing. As much as I would love to see Vince eat shit as his product slowly falls apart the reality is they'll probably get 3-4m consistent ratings because of all this. Dude is karma proof Are the new owners even going to keep Vince around? Something tells me he's going to assure that he does.
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