tafkaga
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Post by tafkaga on Jan 11, 2023 9:00:02 GMT -5
I know most of you fully understand when I say that this would be more than turning off a TV show that I've watched for years. This would be my childhood in the possession of monsters. I came to hate Vince more and more over the years, but this is still 10x worse. I have Peacock because I've been working my way through the 90's shows. Now, I can't even do that without supporting the Saudis. Can't even say "F*** u WWE, I'll just watch WCW" because the Saudis have that too. If the fact that they own WWE and my WWF childhood isn't bad enough, somehow it's 10x worse that they own WCW, JCP, and so many of the territory libraries. I don't care if there are lots of worse people, if this sale happens, Vince will be right up there with another billionaire whose grave I can't wait to piss on.
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Bo Rida
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Post by Bo Rida on Jan 11, 2023 9:06:32 GMT -5
I know most of you fully understand when I say that this would be more than turning off a TV show that I've watched for years. This would be my childhood in the possession of monsters. I came to hate Vince more and more over the years, but this is still 10x worse. I have Peacock because I've been working my way through the 90's shows. Now, I can't even do that without supporting the Saudis. Can't even say "Fuk u WWE, I'll just watch WCW" because the Saudis have that too. If the fact that they own WWE and my WWF childhood isn't bad enough, somehow it's 10x worse that they own WCW, JCP, and so many of the territory libraries. I don't care if there are lots of worse people, if this sale happens, Vince will be right up there with another billionaire whose grave I can't wait to piss on. Very true. For all their faults and re-writing history they were still good custodians of the libraries. It's the sort of thing new owners will never value in the same way.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Jan 11, 2023 9:24:54 GMT -5
I mean. My fandom would take a hit for sure but it’s hard to take a hard stance here but not with other stuff the Saudis invest in. (Disney, etc)
I definitely wouldn’t be buying merch or figures anymore. As for watching. I barely watch the weekly shows live as it is, but man I’d have to find something long to watch on ppv nights lol
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Post by salz4life on Jan 11, 2023 9:48:43 GMT -5
I'll probably keep watching the PPVs as long as they are on Peacock (and free to members).
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Post by Duke Cameron on Jan 11, 2023 10:10:08 GMT -5
I’ve barely watched in years.
Curious though, WWE’s been in business with the Saudi people for years now with their annual shows there. Seems kind of hypocritical for people to want to stop watching now while they continued to watch when WWE first started doing business with the Country in the first place. It’s like people were putting blinders on until it got too big for them to ignore.
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Post by chronocross on Jan 11, 2023 10:16:26 GMT -5
Not much different than what I'm doing now, watching clips and the PPV's.
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Jan 11, 2023 10:28:32 GMT -5
I’ve stopped watching but this… unreal
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Post by SneakMan on Jan 11, 2023 10:55:14 GMT -5
I know most of you fully understand when I say that this would be more than turning off a TV show that I've watched for years. This would be my childhood in the possession of monsters. I came to hate Vince more and more over the years, but this is still 10x worse. I have Peacock because I've been working my way through the 90's shows. Now, I can't even do that without supporting the Saudis. Can't even say "Fuk u WWE, I'll just watch WCW" because the Saudis have that too. If the fact that they own WWE and my WWF childhood isn't bad enough, somehow it's 10x worse that they own WCW, JCP, and so many of the territory libraries. I don't care if there are lots of worse people, if this sale happens, Vince will be right up there with another billionaire whose grave I can't wait to piss on. Out of curiosity, why is (potentially) selling WWE to Saudi Arabia a worse sin for Vince than, say, the numerous rape allegations against him? Or essentially killing Owen Hart due to negligence? Or allegedly covering up Jimmy Snuka's murder of Nancy Argentino? Or indirectly causing countless early wrestler deaths due to facilitating a culture of steroid, drug and alcohol abuse? I understand not watching WWE anymore if the Saudi deal happens but Vince McMahon has been a shit-awful human being for as long as any of us have been watching pro wrestling.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Jan 11, 2023 11:24:19 GMT -5
I'd be like
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Jan 11, 2023 11:26:18 GMT -5
Mass FAN walkout
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Bo Rida
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Post by Bo Rida on Jan 11, 2023 11:30:28 GMT -5
I’ve barely watched in years. Curious though, WWE’s been in business with the Saudi people for years now with their annual shows there. Seems kind of hypocritical for people to want to stop watching now while they continued to watch when WWE first started doing business with the Country in the first place. It’s like people were putting blinders on until it got too big for them to ignore. This is similar to the "we should improve society somewhat" cartoon. Sportswashing in its current form only really started to be talked about in 2015. It's grown in public consciousness since and what was once essentially theoretical we've now seen played out from slave labour deaths to re-education camps to the invasion of Ukraine. More pertinently to Saudi Arabia there's also been a journalist murdered and dismembered since the deal started. There's also a big difference between full control and two propaganda shows a year. So yeah a potential takeover does become too big to ignore but that doesn't make anyone who sees this as a final straw a hypocrite.
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Post by lucas_lee on Jan 11, 2023 11:48:24 GMT -5
If I wanted support a bloody thirsty theocracy by watching, I wouldve watched the World Cup.
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Post by lucas_lee on Jan 11, 2023 11:53:28 GMT -5
I’ve barely watched in years. Curious though, WWE’s been in business with the Saudi people for years now with their annual shows there. Seems kind of hypocritical for people to want to stop watching now while they continued to watch when WWE first started doing business with the Country in the first place. It’s like people were putting blinders on until it got too big for them to ignore. This is similar to the "we should improve society somewhat" cartoon. Sportswashing in its current form only really started to be talked about in 2015. It's grown in public consciousness since and what was once essentially theoretical we've now seen played out from slave labour deaths to re-eucation camps to the invasion of Ukraine. More pertinently to Saudi Arabia there's also been a journalist murdered and dismembered since the deal started. There's also a big difference between full control and two propaganda shows a year. So yeah a potential takeover does become too big to ignore but that doesn't make anyone who sees this as a final straw a hypocrite. I'm glad we as a society are becoming more socially conscious on the harmful effects of being in bed with a ruthless theological dictatorship and how they use sports to wash away their crimes and disgusting actions towards women and LBGTQ communities. What Vince did is horrible but if the SA are the ones who purchase this, they probably did more global harm than Vince can possibly dream of.
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Jan 11, 2023 12:08:15 GMT -5
I have Peacock regardless of WWE but I won't be increasing their viewer numbers if the Saudis are involved. I don't watch often, but I was planning to catch the Rumble and did watch Survivor Series.
Its not often I make line in the sand decisions as a consumer, as I'm heavily "no ethical consumption", but this is one line I'm comfortable drawing. I'll keep up via Cagematch.
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Post by BRV on Jan 11, 2023 12:10:43 GMT -5
I don't envision myself quitting the product cold turkey, but I think it'll be a gradual decline in interest before I'm altogether done watching, probably after WrestleMania. I could see that being my "series finale" of WWE. The shame of it is this is (presumably) happening right when the product is at its very best and enter its highest-profile time of year, when my interest as a fan and viewer is at its peak.
I can't even begin to explain how excited I was for the Royal Rumble and WrestleMania, the return of Cody Rhodes, the deterioration of the Bloodline, and the possible end of Roman Reigns' title reign. Now, I'm just so cautious about everything, because I know it could go to hell in a matter of a week or two of putrid booking.
I've been watching WWE since 1992. The only time I stopped watching entirely was from early 2002 through early 2006, when I was at that age when I thought I was "too cool" for wrestling and I thought I'd aged out of the product. But when I returned, even though the show was admittedly kind of lousy, it was still like a warm blanket to wrap myself in, just a nice nostalgic throwback to my youth.
But if this (rumored) sale goes through, I'm ready to do it again. Like I said, I'll phase out of viewing between the Rumble and WrestleMania, and then after WrestleMania, I'm done.
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Jan 11, 2023 12:25:09 GMT -5
WWE could start putting on the absolute best show of all time and use its deep newly pockets to secure away all my faves and put on a wrestling show built from the ground up to appeal to me and only me, and I'm still not touching it for a second if it's Saudi-owned. No merch, no shows, no anything, I'm out for life. I've already been out for a few years and wanted to give it another chance but nah no f***ing way not if it's supporting the Saudi government adn their attemptsto get their fingers into entertainment. That's a prospect I can't rationalize with any of my values. I was out the second Vince returned but this is next level. This is life-long. One day Vince will croak but I don't think we're anywhere close to seeing the level of human rights abuses clear up in our lifetimes so nah f*** that. I think this is the thing that f***s me up most about the idea of the Saudis getting control of the WWE. At least with the Vince coming back thing, it sucks after the brief bright spot we had but Vince has an inherent if unknown expiration date. Saudis are forever.
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Jan 11, 2023 12:30:44 GMT -5
I’ve barely watched in years. Curious though, WWE’s been in business with the Saudi people for years now with their annual shows there. Seems kind of hypocritical for people to want to stop watching now while they continued to watch when WWE first started doing business with the Country in the first place. It’s like people were putting blinders on until it got too big for them to ignore. I mean, I cancelled my Network subscription, when that was still a thing, when Linda did a certain thing verboten to mention, but I think the difference for people is that the Saudi shows were just single shows they felt they could individually boycott, watching the Rumble or Mania or whatever didn't directly enrich the House of Saud. But if the Saudis own the whole shebang, yeah, you can't get around that.
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Post by tafkaga on Jan 11, 2023 12:47:19 GMT -5
I know most of you fully understand when I say that this would be more than turning off a TV show that I've watched for years. This would be my childhood in the possession of monsters. I came to hate Vince more and more over the years, but this is still 10x worse. I have Peacock because I've been working my way through the 90's shows. Now, I can't even do that without supporting the Saudis. Can't even say "Fuk u WWE, I'll just watch WCW" because the Saudis have that too. If the fact that they own WWE and my WWF childhood isn't bad enough, somehow it's 10x worse that they own WCW, JCP, and so many of the territory libraries. I don't care if there are lots of worse people, if this sale happens, Vince will be right up there with another billionaire whose grave I can't wait to piss on. Out of curiosity, why is (potentially) selling WWE to Saudi Arabia a worse sin for Vince than, say, the numerous rape allegations against him? Or essentially killing Owen Hart due to negligence? Or allegedly covering up Jimmy Snuka's murder of Nancy Argentino? Or indirectly causing countless early wrestler deaths due to facilitating a culture of steroid, drug and alcohol abuse? I understand not watching WWE anymore if the Saudi deal happens but Vince McMahon has been a shit-awful human being for as long as any of us have been watching pro wrestling. I have plenty of reasons to find Vince disgusting without "allegedly" or "indirectly" entering the equation. I've despised him for over 20 years, and during that time I've barely watched the product. Even subbing to Peacock to watch old shows leaves a nasty aftertaste in my mouth. I guess I keep coming back because I don't just see Vince when I think of WWE. I see all the heroes of my youth and great talents who have entertained me and inspired my imagination throughout my life, and wrestling organizations like WCW that had nothing to do with WWE, but who just happens to be the gatekeepers of their tape library. I got my hopes up when Vince retired that WWE could become a company that I would root for again, but selling to Saudi Arabia is like the last nail. Whatever Vince's sins might be, he's no longer committing them behind closed doors or trying to maintain a pretense of propriety if he sells his family business to the Saudis. That would just be the ultimate big F-U to everyone.
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Post by SneakMan on Jan 11, 2023 13:21:52 GMT -5
I have plenty of reasons to find Vince disgusting without "allegedly" or "indirectly" entering the equation. I've despised him for over 20 years, and during that time I've barely watched the product. Even subbing to Peacock to watch old shows leaves a nasty aftertaste in my mouth. I guess I keep coming back because I don't just see Vince when I think of WWE. I see all the heroes of my youth and great talents who have entertained me and inspired my imagination throughout my life, and wrestling organizations like WCW that had nothing to do with WWE, but who just happens to be the gatekeepers of their tape library. I got my hopes up when Vince retired that WWE could become a company that I would root for again, but selling to Saudi Arabia is like the last nail. Whatever Vince's sins might be, he's no longer committing them behind closed doors or trying to maintain a pretense of propriety if he sells his family business to the Saudis. That would just be the ultimate big F-U to everyone. That's perfectly understandable. Wasn't trying to call you specifically out, it's just a sentiment I've seen a lot in light of recent news so your comment piqued my curiosity. I get where you're coming from though.
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Post by Celgress on Jan 11, 2023 13:31:45 GMT -5
Also, if I was female talent, LGBTQ+ talent, or black talent I would be very worried. The House of Saud members are well-known misogynists, homophobes, and racists besides being otherwise horrible human beings.
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