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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2023 19:09:58 GMT -5
Hated him as a kid, I had no idea why he was around, like even in a non kayfabe stand point. Probably one of the first behind the curtain moments I had in my fandom,
Hate him as an adult, still don’t know why he was around. RIP though.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2023 19:17:48 GMT -5
Power and Glory were a good team - prime example of taking two not amazing singles guys and putting together a decent tag team. They were absolutely murdered by the LOD though. I thought Roma had a good look and Power & Glory were the fun, they filled out Rick Martel’s team nicely. I never understood the hate he got for being a horseman.
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Post by jason1980s on Jan 26, 2023 20:15:48 GMT -5
Power and Glory were a good team - prime example of taking two not amazing singles guys and putting together a decent tag team. They were absolutely murdered by the LOD though. I thought Roma had a good look and Power & Glory were the fun, they filled out Rick Martel’s team nicely. I never understood the hate he got for being a horseman. I feel like Roma really didn't do anything to break out of the positions he was in. I get not everyone can be a Rock or Austin who were given garbage gimmicks and did awesome in breaking out and became top stars. There are others who did so too but Roma just always seemed not only complacent but arrogant that he believed he simply just should have been given more because he was that good or good looking. He did tell a story of approaching Vince about Power & Glory merch and Vince blew him off, according to him. And if you hate on Roma for messing with Alex Wright then you have to hate on Hacksaw for sandbagging him multiple years after Alex was just a rookie. So I get we shouldn't hate on Roma for that. Both guys were wrong but because Hacksaw gets more attention and is so likeable we love him and we hate on Roma. The totality of his career, he was not just a job guy by way of losses but a job guy in that he never seemed to try any harder to reach a higher place on the card. Maybe in Power & Glory he was a little better but that's about it. But the team was a Vince or writer's idea-not Roma's. Also, if you name all the Horsemen-aside from a rare few-they were elite performers. Most everyone was a main eventer or top talent but Roma spent years jobbing and didn't anything personally to get away from that.
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Jan 26, 2023 23:21:05 GMT -5
Power and Glory were a good team - prime example of taking two not amazing singles guys and putting together a decent tag team. They were absolutely murdered by the LOD though. I thought Roma had a good look and Power & Glory were the fun, they filled out Rick Martel’s team nicely. I never understood the hate he got for being a horseman. Well, a big part of the hate is that literally in the introduction for the segment, WCW was hyping it as the reunion of the original Four Horsemen. Then during the segment, Flair just casually said something like, “Windham’s being a problem, and Tully isn’t here.” Then the introduction was just repurposing one of Ric’s catchphrases and here he is. I don’t think the problem was Roma’s work and certainly not his look. The problem was that they literally took a guy who, outside of a hot start to Power & Glory, was a career jobber and pulled a last second bait and switch to put him in what had been portrayed as the the elite group in the company. He never had a chance.
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on Jan 27, 2023 1:17:38 GMT -5
I remember getting a good laugh when Frenchy Martin would get on the mic start speaking French, and Monsoon says "Take a look at this piece of work."
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Jan 27, 2023 4:13:28 GMT -5
I like how you conveniently didn't mention Frenchy Martin. Also the Hall of Fame is a joke. There is no ballot. It's just a political farce that's determined by who Vince likes. I mean Sharmell is in it. If she's in it then Dino Bravo should be a no doubt Hall of Famer in comparison. At least he lasted five years in the company and headlined some cards. I believe the only thing stopping Bravo from getting a Hall of Fame induction was the circumstances behind his death. Maybe he could get a legacy induction where he gets lost in the mix. I do agree Bravo had a Hall of Fame-esque career, or at least in comparison to some of the guys who are already in(such as Chris Von Erich who did next to nothing of note during his time as a wrestler). Even if doesn't die the way he does I don't see Dino getting in and to be fair I don't think he should. Compared to some others in there he's deserving but career wise I don't see it. He never was a main eventer outside of Canada and while he had a decent to solid run in WWF he wasn't a super memorable guy that people seem to look back on fondly and he really didn't accomplish that much. I would say even someone like Jacques Rougeau is probably more deserving in that the Mountie was more memorable then anything Bravo did and he won both the IC and Tag Titles back when that really meant something before both became meaningless in the Attitude Era when they start hot potatoing them all the time and pretty much everyone on the roster was winning them at one point or another. However he's probably even more unlikely then Dino as I guess he has a lot of heat up there for some reason.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Jan 27, 2023 4:25:45 GMT -5
I thought Roma had a good look and Power & Glory were the fun, they filled out Rick Martel’s team nicely. I never understood the hate he got for being a horseman. I feel like Roma really didn't do anything to break out of the positions he was in. I get not everyone can be a Rock or Austin who were given garbage gimmicks and did awesome in breaking out and became top stars. There are others who did so too but Roma just always seemed not only complacent but arrogant that he believed he simply just should have been given more because he was that good or good looking. He did tell a story of approaching Vince about Power & Glory merch and Vince blew him off, according to him. And if you hate on Roma for messing with Alex Wright then you have to hate on Hacksaw for sandbagging him multiple years after Alex was just a rookie. So I get we shouldn't hate on Roma for that. Both guys were wrong but because Hacksaw gets more attention and is so likeable we love him and we hate on Roma. The totality of his career, he was not just a job guy by way of losses but a job guy in that he never seemed to try any harder to reach a higher place on the card. Maybe in Power & Glory he was a little better but that's about it. But the team was a Vince or writer's idea-not Roma's. Also, if you name all the Horsemen-aside from a rare few-they were elite performers. Most everyone was a main eventer or top talent but Roma spent years jobbing and didn't anything personally to get away from that. According to Roma the Power and Glory was his idea and he pitched the idea to Pat Patterson and they went with it. Roma and Hercules were also good friends IRL. I actually believe him as while arrogant he does come across as a straight shooter. I remember him also going into specific detail in how wanted the team to be presented. He wanted it where he would get all the pins when the team won hence him being "Glory". However every time they would lose he wanted to eat the pin so that way it would even out and the "Power" would always be protected therefore keeping Herc strong as the bad ass of the team. If you watch all of their matches it actually lines up. In every match they ever had teaming together Hercules was not once involved in a fall. It was either Roma gets pinned or gets the pin.
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Post by nate5054 on Jan 27, 2023 21:01:07 GMT -5
As a kid who didn't know, or really care, about needing to attract crowds in certain markets, he was always a mystery to me. Like why is this old fat guy on tv.
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Post by lildude8218 on Jan 27, 2023 21:11:28 GMT -5
FWIW
The WWF drew 19,500 in Montreal on January 29, 1989 with the main event of Hulk Hogan, "Hacksaw" Jim Duggan, and "Rugged" Ronnie Garvin against Dino Bravo and The Fabulous Rougeau Brothers. They did an angle to set up Hogan vs. Bravo where Bravo refused to let go of a bearhug on Hogan and they stretchered Hulk out. There's no attendance on record for their return match in March but they ran Dino vs. Savage for the WWF title in 1988 THREE times in Montreal and the last one (a Lumberjack match) drew 11,500 people.
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Post by fg on Jan 27, 2023 21:49:10 GMT -5
I thought Roma had a good look and Power & Glory were the fun, they filled out Rick Martel’s team nicely. I never understood the hate he got for being a horseman. Well, a big part of the hate is that literally in the introduction for the segment, WCW was hyping it as the reunion of the original Four Horsemen. Then during the segment, Flair just casually said something like, “Windham’s being a problem, and Tully isn’t here.” Then the introduction was just repurposing one of Ric’s catchphrases and here he is. I don’t think the problem was Roma’s work and certainly not his look. The problem was that they literally took a guy who, outside of a hot start to Power & Glory, was a career jobber and pulled a last second bait and switch to put him in what had been portrayed as the the elite group in the company. He never had a chance. I remember a fan writing into one of the Apter mags. Even that fan (who may have thought wrestling was real) thought Roma didn’t belong. Keep in mind, in 1993 the Apter mags (much like WWE magazine) were in all kayfabe (except for some occasions). See, even back then, there were people who thought Roma didn’t belong.
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Jan 27, 2023 22:16:36 GMT -5
I find it crazy that smuggling cigarettes between Canada and America was a lucrative market and the poor bastard got drive-by'd for it.
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Jan 30, 2023 20:31:27 GMT -5
I find it crazy that smuggling cigarettes between Canada and America was a lucrative market and the poor bastard got drive-by'd for it. It is huge cause of the taxes. Back 20 years ago I smoked a carton a week. Every year around Xmas I would come from Texas to MS for the holidays. MS has some of the lowest taxes on tobacco,most trips back I had a few cartons of cigs in the car for friends back home. Cause I could get 2 cartons of Camel Non Filters in MS for what 1 and 1/3rd would cost me in TX. Bravo was one of those guys I didnt hate but didnt give a crap about either. The one time I saw him live used the match to go grab a drink and take a piss.
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Jan 30, 2023 21:45:06 GMT -5
I find it crazy that smuggling cigarettes between Canada and America was a lucrative market and the poor bastard got drive-by'd for it. It is huge cause of the taxes. Back 20 years ago I smoked a carton a week. Every year around Xmas I would come from Texas to MS for the holidays. MS has some of the lowest taxes on tobacco,most trips back I had a few cartons of cigs in the car for friends back home. Cause I could get 2 cartons of Camel Non Filters in MS for what 1 and 1/3rd would cost me in TX. Bravo was one of those guys I didnt hate but didnt give a crap about either. The one time I saw him live used the match to go grab a drink and take a piss. About 15 years ago, I was living in Tennessee and working in Kentucky. Cigarettes were ridiculously cheaper in Kentucky, to the point that I considered going into business. What stopped me wasn’t the thought of being arrested. It was the realization that my 5’2” 100 lb. mother would have kicked my ass when she found out.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 30, 2023 21:57:56 GMT -5
FWIW The WWF drew 19,500 in Montreal on January 29, 1989 with the main event of Hulk Hogan, "Hacksaw" Jim Duggan, and "Rugged" Ronnie Garvin against Dino Bravo and The Fabulous Rougeau Brothers. They did an angle to set up Hogan vs. Bravo where Bravo refused to let go of a bearhug on Hogan and they stretchered Hulk out. There's no attendance on record for their return match in March but they ran Dino vs. Savage for the WWF title in 1988 THREE times in Montreal and the last one (a Lumberjack match) drew 11,500 people. It's especially worth mentioning because, obviously, TV wasn't irrelevant or anything, but live shows were at that time the biggest priority. It's why wrestlers got paid a relative pittance for TV matches, because the idea was you'd make your real money on house shows. It makes sense Dino would have a secure spot if he was doing really well on their Canada shows, a market that historically had relevance for the WWF, anyway. (Pat Patterson, Rene Goulet, Dino, so on and so forth.) It's also why it wasn't so much of a slam dunk for the WWF at first when they were getting just really bad attendance at times in Texas and some other places before they secured their stake in those markets. Even having the best and most lucrative TV market didn't make their dominance a given if they couldn't then translate that into ticket sales, it took time and work.
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Jan 31, 2023 0:38:07 GMT -5
It is huge cause of the taxes. Back 20 years ago I smoked a carton a week. Every year around Xmas I would come from Texas to MS for the holidays. MS has some of the lowest taxes on tobacco,most trips back I had a few cartons of cigs in the car for friends back home. Cause I could get 2 cartons of Camel Non Filters in MS for what 1 and 1/3rd would cost me in TX. Bravo was one of those guys I didnt hate but didnt give a crap about either. The one time I saw him live used the match to go grab a drink and take a piss. About 15 years ago, I was living in Tennessee and working in Kentucky. Cigarettes were ridiculously cheaper in Kentucky, to the point that I considered going into business. What stopped me wasn’t the thought of being arrested. It was the realization that my 5’2” 100 lb. mother would have kicked my ass when she found out. Yep the fear of my under 5 foot 100 ln grandmother coming after me for "bootlegging like your Uncle and Great Uncle" kept me from doing the trip more than twice a year tops. And when I did I would have like ten to 15 cartons on the back seat. Thankfully 2 buddies of mine smoked the same brand I did. So it didn't look odd if I had say 9 cartons of Camel Non Filters in the back seat with the luggage and half the time xmas gifts. But also 90% of that trip was I-10.If you don't go more than 3 or so over the speed limit and don't do stupid shit no cop will mess with you. What shocks me the most is I looked the other day while getting gas. The station didn't camel non filters,so went with my second fave camel wides. A pack here in MS is right at 8 bucks with sales tax. When I quit July 10th 2007 out in Texas same cigs was 7.50 with tax. Guessing they are over 10 bucks a pack out there now. Everybody i know out there that smoked quit years ago. Since my memory is horrible,various factors to that,see if yall can help me see if I am remembering something right. Summer after Rick Rude won the IC title I went to the first WWF show in Biloxi. I know Dino Bravo was on the card and for some reason I remember him facing Hercules. But who knows....Was it Hercules? I looked at a few data bases but I see none of them have the entire card. For example one doesn't mention Barry Horowitz beating Boris Zukoff or the Rocking Robin defending the title match against I think Sherri match.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Jan 31, 2023 0:58:10 GMT -5
About 15 years ago, I was living in Tennessee and working in Kentucky. Cigarettes were ridiculously cheaper in Kentucky, to the point that I considered going into business. What stopped me wasn’t the thought of being arrested. It was the realization that my 5’2” 100 lb. mother would have kicked my ass when she found out. Yep the fear of my under 5 foot 100 ln grandmother coming after me for "bootlegging like your Uncle and Great Uncle" kept me from doing the trip more than twice a year tops. And when I did I would have like ten to 15 cartons on the back seat. Thankfully 2 buddies of mine smoked the same brand I did. So it didn't look odd if I had say 9 cartons of Camel Non Filters in the back seat with the luggage and half the time xmas gifts. But also 90% of that trip was I-10.If you don't go more than 3 or so over the speed limit and don't do stupid shit no cop will mess with you. What shocks me the most is I looked the other day while getting gas. The station didn't camel non filters,so went with my second fave camel wides. A pack here in MS is right at 8 bucks with sales tax. When I quit July 10th 2007 out in Texas same cigs was 7.50 with tax. Guessing they are over 10 bucks a pack out there now. Everybody i know out there that smoked quit years ago. Since my memory is horrible,various factors to that,see if yall can help me see if I am remembering something right. Summer after Rick Rude won the IC title I went to the first WWF show in Biloxi. I know Dino Bravo was on the card and for some reason I remember him facing Hercules. But who knows....Was it Hercules? I looked at a few data bases but I see none of them have the entire card. For example one doesn't mention Barry Horowitz beating Boris Zukoff or the Rocking Robin defending the title match against I think Sherri match. Hercules is probably very likely. That would've been the summer of 89 since that's when Rude was IC Champion and Bravo was programmed with Herc on most of the House Show loops through the spring and summer of that year.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Jan 31, 2023 2:44:20 GMT -5
I thought Roma had a good look and Power & Glory were the fun, they filled out Rick Martel’s team nicely. I never understood the hate he got for being a horseman. Well, a big part of the hate is that literally in the introduction for the segment, WCW was hyping it as the reunion of the original Four Horsemen. Then during the segment, Flair just casually said something like, “Windham’s being a problem, and Tully isn’t here.” Then the introduction was just repurposing one of Ric’s catchphrases and here he is. I don’t think the problem was Roma’s work and certainly not his look. The problem was that they literally took a guy who, outside of a hot start to Power & Glory, was a career jobber and pulled a last second bait and switch to put him in what had been portrayed as the the elite group in the company. He never had a chance. It'd be like if WWE promised a Shield reunion, all the original members, then instead of Dean they just said Humberto was his replacement and ran with him as a 100% legit member up there with the others. Nothing against the guy but he'd get murdered by crowds.
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