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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 26, 2023 19:07:47 GMT -5
Seeing talk making the rounds that HHH is wanting to use a smaller batch of talent for Mania this year thus leaving alot of the talent in catering and they are apparently pissed. Can't blame them at all doubly so as HHH makes room for Logan Paul and possibly Lita , I would be rightfully pissed and questioning HHH if this turns out to be accurate if I was a full time performer and Logan Paul gets a match on the biggest pay day of the year and I didn't. I mean he has mostly used full time performers and Mania last year outside of Stone Cold was mostly full time as well Reality is only so many people can get on Mania and Lita/Paul are only involved in two matches. It sucks but that is why you try to work yourself up the card to get into that position you don't get knocked out the rotation
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Feb 26, 2023 20:06:14 GMT -5
This is the eternal struggle for WrestleMania, balancing the three masters of:
A) Featuring as many talents as possible B) Giving all those talents something of substance, be it time, a championship and/or a big storyline C) Trying to get the whole show done within a reasonable time
Not entirely sure they’ve ever really got this balance right.
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Post by polarbearpete on Feb 26, 2023 23:31:52 GMT -5
Seeing talk making the rounds that HHH is wanting to use a smaller batch of talent for Mania this year thus leaving alot of the talent in catering and they are apparently pissed. Can't blame them at all doubly so as HHH makes room for Logan Paul and possibly Lita , I would be rightfully pissed and questioning HHH if this turns out to be accurate if I was a full time performer and Logan Paul gets a match on the biggest pay day of the year and I didn't. Talk where saying that, though?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2023 0:04:45 GMT -5
Seeing talk making the rounds that HHH is wanting to use a smaller batch of talent for Mania this year thus leaving alot of the talent in catering and they are apparently pissed. Can't blame them at all doubly so as HHH makes room for Logan Paul and possibly Lita , I would be rightfully pissed and questioning HHH if this turns out to be accurate if I was a full time performer and Logan Paul gets a match on the biggest pay day of the year and I didn't. Talk where saying that, though? This is where I first saw it. wrestlingnews.co/wwe-news/triple-h-wants-a-smaller-wrestlemania-card-wwe-talent-unhappy-about-not-being-on-the-show
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Post by msc on Feb 27, 2023 8:52:11 GMT -5
Going by that, it would suggest the following lot will miss WrestleMania:
AJ Styles (injured), Profits, Corbin, Bronson Reed, Alpha Academy, Damien Priest Gargano, Bayley, Iyo, Dakota, Candice, Piper, Braun, Butch/Ridge, Imperium Kross, LA Knight, New Day, Ricochet, Santos Escobar, Nakamura, Liv Morgan, Drew or Sheamus
They haven't hinted at Cena on screen yet. Ironically they could kill most of these birds with one stone by having Theory, Gargano, Reed, Priest, Ricochet etc in a US title ladder match.
Also, count me on Team "Lita is retired and Ronda is done, that match needs more teams in it".
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Post by polarbearpete on Feb 27, 2023 9:41:14 GMT -5
Going by that, it would suggest the following lot will miss WrestleMania: AJ Styles (injured), Profits, Corbin, Bronson Reed, Alpha Academy, Damien Priest Gargano, Bayley, Iyo, Dakota, Candice, Piper, Braun, Butch/Ridge, Imperium Kross, LA Knight, New Day, Ricochet, Santos Escobar, Nakamura, Liv Morgan, Drew or Sheamus They haven't hinted at Cena on screen yet. Ironically they could kill most of these birds with one stone by having Theory, Gargano, Reed, Priest, Ricochet etc in a US title ladder match. Also, count me on Team "Lita is retired and Ronda is done, that match needs more teams in it". If AJ is healthy he’ll have a match (Switchblade?), Bayley will be in a match, Knight will appear, Priest I’m sure will either be on the show seconding multiple people or be in the Mysterios match (with Santos). Drew is a lock for the card. Sheamus I’d imagine will make it on to make the IC title a 3-way but if not he might be in danger of missing. The rest are a possibility to miss but they could do for one multi-man ladder match and just have it be for a title shot at Backlash or something like that. Not sure it’s really a Triple H thing either, they had the men’s battle royal and the IC title match on Smackdown last year rather than Mania proper.
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Post by Chiral on Feb 27, 2023 18:03:03 GMT -5
I dunno if we're gonna see a get everyone on the card PPV from WWE for the foreseeable future with Peacock PPVs being like 30-40% Peacock ad space time
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Post by polarbearpete on Feb 27, 2023 19:30:52 GMT -5
I dunno if we're gonna see a get everyone on the card PPV from WWE for the foreseeable future with Peacock PPVs being like 30-40% Peacock ad space time Has it been that high? Seems like just 1 to 2 minutes between matches.
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Post by BRV on Feb 27, 2023 22:41:34 GMT -5
I dunno if we're gonna see a get everyone on the card PPV from WWE for the foreseeable future with Peacock PPVs being like 30-40% Peacock ad space time Has it been that high? Seems like just 1 to 2 minutes between matches. Yeah, that is a massive overreaction. At worst, we’re getting maybe 2 minutes of ad space between each match. Cumulatively, that’s probably going to be roughly 15 minutes each night. With each show lasting three hours, that’s barely a blip, and actually not unreasonable, as it provides those of us at home with time for a bathroom/snack break.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Feb 27, 2023 22:52:41 GMT -5
Has it been that high? Seems like just 1 to 2 minutes between matches. Yeah, that is a massive overreaction. At worst, we’re getting maybe 2 minutes of ad space between each match. Cumulatively, that’s probably going to be roughly 15 minutes each night. With each show lasting three hours, that’s barely a blip, and actually not unreasonable, as it provides those of us at home with time for a bathroom/snack break. I'd say they still contribute to destroying PPVs' pacing just because they're mixed in with all the other shit WWE does to bloat them out. A two minute break here and there on its own isn't too bad, but when you consider WWE still does talking heads bits, product placement, and ceaseless recaps around it anyway a gigantic amount of WWE PPVs are just bloated to the point of having very little ringtime. For perspective Elimination Chamber was 3 hours 9 minutes and the match time adds up to roughly an hour and 41 minutes, leaving 88 minutes - about 47% of the show - where no wrestling was happening.
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Post by BRV on Feb 27, 2023 23:03:33 GMT -5
Yeah, that is a massive overreaction. At worst, we’re getting maybe 2 minutes of ad space between each match. Cumulatively, that’s probably going to be roughly 15 minutes each night. With each show lasting three hours, that’s barely a blip, and actually not unreasonable, as it provides those of us at home with time for a bathroom/snack break. I'd say they still contribute to destroying PPVs' pacing just because they're mixed in with all the other shit WWE does to bloat them out. A two minute break here and there on its own isn't too bad, but when you consider WWE still does talking heads bits, product placement, and ceaseless recaps around it anyway a gigantic amount of WWE PPVs are just bloated to the point of having very little ringtime. For perspective Elimination Chamber was 3 hours 9 minutes and the match time adds up to roughly an hour and 41 minutes, leaving 88 minutes - about 47% of the show - where no wrestling was happening. I get what you’re saying, but Elimination Chamber might not be the best example. You had two matches with six wrestlers getting full entrances, plus two additional matches (Lesnar vs. Lashley, Zayn vs. Reigns) where the post-match shenanigans were just as significant as the matches themselves.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Feb 27, 2023 23:06:45 GMT -5
I'd say they still contribute to destroying PPVs' pacing just because they're mixed in with all the other shit WWE does to bloat them out. A two minute break here and there on its own isn't too bad, but when you consider WWE still does talking heads bits, product placement, and ceaseless recaps around it anyway a gigantic amount of WWE PPVs are just bloated to the point of having very little ringtime. For perspective Elimination Chamber was 3 hours 9 minutes and the match time adds up to roughly an hour and 41 minutes, leaving 88 minutes - about 47% of the show - where no wrestling was happening. I get what you’re saying, but Elimination Chamber might not be the best example. You had two matches with six wrestlers getting full entrances, plus two additional matches (Lesnar vs. Lashley, Zayn vs. Reigns) where the post-match shenanigans were just as significant as the matches themselves. Fair point. Looking back at Extreme Rules then, as the last conventional PPV that wasn't a Saudi show I can't be assed to check, that show was 3 hours 7 minutes and the match time adds up to about an hour and 35 minutes. So that's roughly 49% of the show where no wrestling happened.
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Post by Chiral on Feb 28, 2023 0:08:03 GMT -5
Looking at the Cagesideseats math, there's usually about 40-60%ish wrestling on recent PPVs (checked all the way back to Summerslam) but that's including entrances and other non-wrestling bits not just the Peacock ads, so I can admit I was being hyperbolic about that rate, but IDK the pacing feels definitely different on Peacock shows, it just feels like there's a lot more downtime now.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Feb 28, 2023 0:10:56 GMT -5
Looking at the Cagesideseats math, there's usually about 50-60% wrestling on recent PPVs but that's including entrances and other non-wrestling bits not just the Peacock ads, so I can admit I was being hyperbolic about that rate, but IDK the pacing feels definitely different on Peacock shows, it just feels like there's a lot more downtime now. Because the show has to actively stop for the ads, so it’s ACTUAL downtime. This used to be the time getting filled by backstage segments, interviews and other stuff.
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Post by Bo Rida on Feb 28, 2023 6:30:15 GMT -5
So what do countries that still have WWE network see when these Peacock ads are on?
Live feed, hype vids, ads, random filler (don't try this at home etc)?
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Feb 28, 2023 6:31:51 GMT -5
So what do countries that still have WWE network see when these Peacock ads are on? Live feed, hype vids, ads, random filler (don't try this at home etc)? Vignettes for main event talents not on the show.
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Post by polarbearpete on Feb 28, 2023 7:30:33 GMT -5
So what do countries that still have WWE network see when these Peacock ads are on? Live feed, hype vids, ads, random filler (don't try this at home etc)? If you have the paid version of Peacock, you see vignettes/promo packages on talent.
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Post by msc on Feb 28, 2023 7:31:09 GMT -5
So what do countries that still have WWE network see when these Peacock ads are on? Live feed, hype vids, ads, random filler (don't try this at home etc)? Vignettes for main event talents not on the show. Do you guys get the long fued recap videos during PPVs? That's what I thought of, especially with some of their weird placing. Oh and while I'm here: This is the eternal struggle for WrestleMania, balancing the three masters of: A) Featuring as many talents as possible B) Giving all those talents something of substance, be it time, a championship and/or a big storyline C) Trying to get the whole show done within a reasonable time Not entirely sure they’ve ever really got this balance right. Big ass battle royal to open the show, 20 min segment in total (including entrances for showcased wrestlers, and after the bell celebrations), followed with a reasonable sized MITB style match for your "get them on the card but not important to have a huge feud yet" wrestlers. You've taken 50 minutes and used up 90% of your roster. Now you can give more time to the big marquee matches and title holders. imo, with 2 night shows now, there's even less excuse not to use that template. I have been consistent on that for well over a decade on this forum!
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Post by BRV on Feb 28, 2023 11:34:24 GMT -5
As of January 31, and without having read any spoilers, here's how I think WrestleMania could play out by the time the curtain lifts on its Hollywood premiere: CONFIRMED MATCHESCody Rhodes vs. Roman Reigns (c) for the Undisputed WWE Universal Championship Rhea Ripley vs. Charlotte Flair (c) for the WWE SmackDown Women's Championship MATCHES I'M CONFIDENT WE'RE GETTINGKevin Owens and Sami Zayn vs. The Usos (c) for the Undisputed WWE Tag Team Championships Asuka vs. Bianca Belair (c) for the WWE Raw Women's Championship Logan Paul vs. Seth "Freakin" Rollins Bobby Lashley vs. Brock Lesnar Dominik Mysterio vs. Rey Mysterio MATCHES I THINK WE'RE GETTINGBecky Lynch and Bayley vs. Iyo Sky and Dakota Kai (c) for the WWE Women's Tag Team Championship Sheamus vs. Drew McIntyre vs. Gunther (c) for the WWE Intercontinental Championship Edge vs. Finn Balor Karrion Kross and Scarlett vs. Bray Wyatt and Alexa Bliss NOTABLE WRESTLERS I CAN'T THINK OF A WRESTLEMANIA MATCH FOR AT THE MOMENT, BUT SHOULD BE ON THE CARDAustin Theory Braun Strowman Damian Priest LA Knight The Miz Omos Ricochet The Street Profits Liv Morgan Ronda Rousey Coming back around to this, now that we're about a month out from WrestleMania and the matches are becoming a little more clear. CONFIRMED MATCHESCody Rhodes vs. Roman Reigns (c) for the Undisputed WWE Universal Championship Rhea Ripley vs. Charlotte Flair (c) for the WWE SmackDown Women's Championship Asuka vs. Bianca Belair (c) for the WWE Raw Women's Championship Omos vs. Brock Lesnar MATCHES I'M CONFIDENT WE'RE GETTINGKevin Owens and Sami Zayn vs. The Usos (c) for the Undisputed WWE Tag Team Championships John Cena vs. Austin Theory (c) for the WWE United States Championship Logan Paul vs. Seth "Freakin" Rollins Dominik Mysterio vs. Rey Mysterio Edge vs. Finn Balor Bray Wyatt vs. Bobby Lashley MATCHES I THINK WE'RE GETTINGRonda Rousey and Shayna Baszler vs. Becky Lynch and Lita (c) for the WWE Women's Tag Team Championship Sheamus vs. Drew McIntyre vs. Gunther (c) for the WWE Intercontinental Championship Bayley vs. Trish Stratus NOTABLE WRESTLERS I CAN'T THINK OF A WRESTLEMANIA MATCH FOR AT THE MOMENT, BUT SHOULD BE ON THE CARDBraun Strowman Damian Priest LA Knight Ricochet The Street Profits Liv Morgan
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Post by msc on Feb 28, 2023 11:41:12 GMT -5
Ok, what about... Ronda and Shayna win the belts on Smackdown, then at Mania we get Damage Control v Becky/Trish/Lita, and Ronda/Shayna v Liv/someone v These Women Deserve a Spot on the Card Tag Teams (TM). And at Mania, Liv And Someone win the belts.
And then, Ronda f***s off.
Just an idea.
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