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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Feb 4, 2023 22:54:51 GMT -5
So this dude's been the champion for something like 10,000 years at this point and the crowd still was all but completely ignoring him for significant chunks of the match with the despicable heel he was fighting instead getting dueling chants by himself, and then there's whatever that finish was supposed to be.
Like, this dude has a world of potential but surely they must recognize that what he's doing in the here and now just straight up isn't working, right?
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 4, 2023 22:57:19 GMT -5
Grayson is entertaining as hell and the crowds have def taken to more acts than just "good wrestling". Like, Bron is very damn good in the ring for as young as he is but he is missing a personality and just being champion isn't good enough
He badly needs to drop the title and find something for himself
As I said in the thread, put him with Lashley/MVP in The Hurt Business. The Enforcer role has worked wonders for Solo and can do the same for Bronn
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2023 22:57:57 GMT -5
As someone who doesn't watch NXT, he came off as just some dude who barks. Waller had charisma from the first second for days.
I'm not impressed by barking. I was barking half the time during that triple threat match.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Feb 4, 2023 23:01:59 GMT -5
Judging by the ending, they know he's not gonna get cheered against Carmelo.
That ending had Waller as the face, and Bron as the heel. So they look to be setting Bron up as the heel in this upcoming feud.
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Post by Fade on Feb 4, 2023 23:02:35 GMT -5
Hayes and Bron’s gonna be interesting. No doubt the endgame’s Bron losing the title but..it’ll be interesting too see if Hayes makes him look better or worse as a character.
I’d do a double turn and follow through with transitioning Breakker to the main roster as a heel. Been saying it since the early days of nxt 2.0 but he needs a tag team partner.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Feb 4, 2023 23:03:11 GMT -5
Judging by the ending, they know he's not gonna get cheered against Carmelo. That ending had Waller as the face, and Bron as the heel. So they look to be setting Bron up as the heel in this upcoming feud. I honestly don't know what that finish was supposed to be. It definitely read like a double turn but it could've just been meant to be a, "The scummy heel gets his overdue comeuppance," moment that didn't land. |
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Feb 4, 2023 23:03:48 GMT -5
Waller should be the heel that Hayes is chasing while Bron either goes through a reinvention or gets called up.
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Post by A Little Doo Doo on Feb 4, 2023 23:05:07 GMT -5
I know people are tired of me complaining, but I just don't get why he's a face. The regular NXT crowds have been lukewarm on him for a while now and tonight the crowd was way more into Waller. That should be a sign to HBK that there needs to be a change.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Feb 4, 2023 23:09:32 GMT -5
Judging by the ending, they know he's not gonna get cheered against Carmelo. That ending had Waller as the face, and Bron as the heel. So they look to be setting Bron up as the heel in this upcoming feud. I honestly don't know what that finish was supposed to be. It definitely read like a double turn but it could've just been meant to be a, "The scummy heel gets his overdue comeuppance," moment that didn't land. I'd normally agree, but Waller wouldn't quit and tried to fight back, Vic yelled that Bron should just pin him, they mentioned that Waller couldn't even stand, and Vic put over that Waller was defiant till the end. They did appear to be moving Bron down a heel path for the Melo match. |
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Post by Chiral on Feb 4, 2023 23:10:46 GMT -5
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Post by jhbboy198917 on Feb 4, 2023 23:13:25 GMT -5
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Post by griti kitty on Feb 4, 2023 23:13:50 GMT -5
I used to think they were sabotaging him by keeping him away from his 2.0 War Games Teammates and giving him the most uninteresting challengers. In reality, they were protecting him because they are just so much more interesting than he is right now. The Waller feud really highlighted that he could use more time in NXT to find himself. It's not like the main roster is in desperate need for him right and it's better he gets it all sorted out on a smaller stage because he has so much potential.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Feb 4, 2023 23:15:28 GMT -5
Breakker encapsulates something that I think is an under-discussed issue at it relates to the babyface/heel narrative that wrestling generally builds itself around. By their very nature, heels tend to be more proactive. Their role is to initiate conflict beyond the context of the wrestling match itself, through promos and character work. As a result, this makes it easier to flesh out a personality. Babyfaces, in contrast, tend to be reactive. If left to their own devices, babyfaces would be content to just wrestle the matches as they were nominally intended, for the love of the sport and for the honours and accolades that come from it. As good people, it shouldn't be in their nature to initiate external conflicts, Thus, most of what a babyface does outside of the ring is either with no intent to create a conflict, or in reaction to a conflict started by a heel and most promo work against an opponent tends to boil down to "I respect you" or "You're bad and I will beat you". It's all well and good in that it generally makes them a good person and worthy of support, but it does tend to leave them with dry personalities, or even no real personality at all. Which then leads to their character basically being defined by their results, either "guy that wins all the time" or "guy that doesn't win all the time".
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 4, 2023 23:16:56 GMT -5
Judging by the ending, they know he's not gonna get cheered against Carmelo. That ending had Waller as the face, and Bron as the heel. So they look to be setting Bron up as the heel in this upcoming feud. I honestly don't know what that finish was supposed to be. It definitely read like a double turn but it could've just been meant to be a, "The scummy heel gets his overdue comeuppance," moment that didn't land. It was def a shade of grey that can go either way. Commentary clearly sold Waller was beaten and Bron should pin him but it could also be read as comeuppance for the heel who despite everything still talks shit to the end |
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Post by asuka007 on Feb 4, 2023 23:18:38 GMT -5
Bron vs. Carmelo Hayes is THE big money match just waiting to happen in NXT right now imo.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 4, 2023 23:19:57 GMT -5
Breakker encapsulates something that I think is an under-discussed issue at it relates to the babyface/heel narrative that wrestling generally builds itself around. By their very nature, heels tend to be more proactive. Their role is to initiate conflict beyond the context of the wrestling match itself, through promos and character work. As a result, this makes it easier to flesh out a personality. Babyfaces, in contrast, tend to be reactive. If left to their own devices, babyfaces would be content to just wrestle the matches as they were nominally intended, for the love of the sport and for the honours and accolades that come from it. As good people, it shouldn't be in their nature to initiate external conflicts, Thus, most of what a babyface does outside of the ring is either with no intent to create a conflict, or in reaction to a conflict started by a heel and most promo work against an opponent tends to boil down to "I respect you" or "You're bad and I will beat you". It's all well and good in that it generally makes them a good person and worthy of support, but it does tend to leave them with dry personalities, or even no real personality at all. Which then leads to their character basically being defined by their results, either "guy that wins all the time" or "guy that doesn't win all the time". It sort of sticks out even more when NXT has basically been the land of grey and Bron has really just been the meathead all rowdy babyface. No interesting qualities to really lean on |
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Post by Red Mage Riot on Feb 4, 2023 23:20:41 GMT -5
Breakker encapsulates something that I think is an under-discussed issue at it relates to the babyface/heel narrative that wrestling generally builds itself around. By their very nature, heels tend to be more proactive. Their role is to initiate conflict beyond the context of the wrestling match itself, through promos and character work. As a result, this makes it easier to flesh out a personality. Babyfaces, in contrast, tend to be reactive. If left to their own devices, babyfaces would be content to just wrestle the matches as they were nominally intended, for the love of the sport and for the honours and accolades that come from it. As good people, it shouldn't be in their nature to initiate external conflicts, Thus, most of what a babyface does outside of the ring is either with no intent to create a conflict, or in reaction to a conflict started by a heel and most promo work against an opponent tends to boil down to "I respect you" or "You're bad and I will beat you". It's all well and good in that it generally makes them a good person and worthy of support, but it does tend to leave them with dry personalities, or even no real personality at all. Which then leads to their character basically being defined by their results, either "guy that wins all the time" or "guy that doesn't win all the time". This is spot on. |
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Post by griti kitty on Feb 4, 2023 23:29:46 GMT -5
Breakker encapsulates something that I think is an under-discussed issue at it relates to the babyface/heel narrative that wrestling generally builds itself around. By their very nature, heels tend to be more proactive. Their role is to initiate conflict beyond the context of the wrestling match itself, through promos and character work. As a result, this makes it easier to flesh out a personality. Babyfaces, in contrast, tend to be reactive. If left to their own devices, babyfaces would be content to just wrestle the matches as they were nominally intended, for the love of the sport and for the honours and accolades that come from it. As good people, it shouldn't be in their nature to initiate external conflicts, Thus, most of what a babyface does outside of the ring is either with no intent to create a conflict, or in reaction to a conflict started by a heel and most promo work against an opponent tends to boil down to "I respect you" or "You're bad and I will beat you". It's all well and good in that it generally makes them a good person and worthy of support, but it does tend to leave them with dry personalities, or even no real personality at all. Which then leads to their character basically being defined by their results, either "guy that wins all the time" or "guy that doesn't win all the time". It sort of sticks out even more when NXT has basically been the land of grey and Bron has really just been the meathead all rowdy babyface. No interesting qualities to really lean on He sort of had a bit of grey in the beginning too going against the old guard. He was respectful of them and what they accomplished but he still didn't care as it was his time. Hopefully, the Melo feud can bring it out of him again as they've always been 1/2 in 2.0 and we finally get the showdown to show who is the guy. |
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Feb 4, 2023 23:30:21 GMT -5
He really needs to find something in himself that is distinctly non-Steiner. Roman for all his ups and downs has always celebrated his heritage while also being his own dude. He also needs a heel run before being called up.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 4, 2023 23:31:16 GMT -5
It sort of sticks out even more when NXT has basically been the land of grey and Bron has really just been the meathead all rowdy babyface. No interesting qualities to really lean on He sort of had a bit of grey in the beginning too going against the old guard. He was respectful of them and what they accomplished but he still didn't care as it was his time. Hopefully, the Melo feud can bring it out of him again as they've always been 1/2 in 2.0 and we finally get the showdown to show who is the guy. Yeah, he had the cocky edge then and that first loss to Ciampa was something he really needed and it helped his character when he did win but then they just made him paint by numbers |
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