Mozenrath
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 13, 2023 10:34:29 GMT -5
I was reminded of this one in the midst of the controversy around Beyoncé getting snubbed at the Grammys; Macklemore beating Kendrick, Drake, Jay Z, and Kanye basically ended his career. Now, I was never the biggest fan of Macklemore, but he wasn't the one who voted his album Best Rap Album. That was part of it, but I think Macklemore didn't help matters by being unable to follow up his success. In addition to the blowback he got, I think his mainstream success being unsustainable, along with him coming off as really corny to a lot of people, have had him mired. Maybe he'll turn it around yet, but it doesn't feel like we should hold our breath on that.
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Ben Wyatt
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Feb 13, 2023 12:33:01 GMT -5
I'm going to cheat a little here.
Jay Leno gets ALL the blame for the tonight show fiasco with Conan, when in reality, I'd say it's 50% on him and 50% on Zucker/NBC
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Bobeddy
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Post by Bobeddy on Feb 13, 2023 19:33:47 GMT -5
While the Black Death was wiping out most of Europe, the people blamed it on rats. While the rats did carry the bacteria Yersinia Pestis, they didn't spread it.
It was the fleas sucking blood from the rats, then hopping and biting humans. Hygiene being what it was, everyone was used to getting bit by fleas, so that wasn't anything unusual to them. So as far as they were concerned it was the rats fault.
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Cranjis McBasketball
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Feb 13, 2023 19:44:08 GMT -5
I'm going to cheat a little here. Jay Leno gets ALL the blame for the tonight show fiasco with Conan, when in reality, I'd say it's 50% on him and 50% on Zucker/NBC I go with what Leno said “Don’t blame Conan”. Some people think Conan put himself out of a job. Conan wouldn’t do that.
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Post by Vampiro138 on Feb 13, 2023 23:32:02 GMT -5
Bill Buckner becoming the focus of the Red Sox's collective collapse in the 1986 World Series On the same note: Steve Bartman The Cubs fell apart that game and then blew the next one. But it was easier to blame a fan than themselves. Im still mad that Kerry Wood and the rest of the team after game 6 were making travel arrangements to go home after game 7 while Sammy was the only dude in that dugout telling guys "no, were gonna win tomorrow, and be on the bus to the world series!" and the team laughed at him, and Kerry is on a plane back to texas 2 hours after last pitch and Sammy is now stuck in Chicago for 2 weeks because he was the only dude on that 03 team that had any faith, the rest of the team quit after game 6.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Feb 14, 2023 0:42:28 GMT -5
I feel, and the Jacksons agree, that rather than sunshine, moonlight and good times the fault clearly lies with the boogie.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Feb 14, 2023 7:42:09 GMT -5
This is more a general thing, but when characters perform some awful act or atrocity when under mind control, and then the narrative just seems to treat it like it's something they are personally responsible for. If someone doesn't know the circumstances, or the character is blaming themselves, that's one thing, but otherwise, it's literally not their fault by any rational metric. Resentment can still be understandable if it's acknowledged as not rational, but it's when shows just kind of seem to go out of their way to not acknowledge it that it bugs me. It'd be like if Bruce Wayne, instead of taking revenge on crime itself, instead of choosing to focus exclusively on Joe Chill, instead of even having it focused on the particular firearm that his parents were slain with, decided to fixate on the specific bullets that were in his parents. It's just stupid. I like how Star Trek DS9 handled it in the pilot. Clearly Sisko blames Picard for the death of his wife, but knows it wasn't him so he's just a bit of a dick while still doing his duty, then dealing with her death makes him somewhat soften.
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Post by Sephiroth on Feb 14, 2023 10:22:06 GMT -5
Dr Jekckyll IS to blame for the misdeeds of Edward Hyde. In the book Jeckyl’s motivations are actually quite selfish; wanted to indulge in a little forbidden fun but didn’t want to be recognized while doing it, he created the formula intending only to change his appearance, unleashing an alternate personality was an unintended effect. And Hyde was really just Jeckyll’s innermost desires given form, even if he took these further than Jeckyll ever intended.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Feb 14, 2023 11:57:21 GMT -5
Milli Vanilli blamed it on the rain, because they had to blame it on something.
Talk about character assassination on the rain here.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Feb 14, 2023 12:46:23 GMT -5
This is more a general thing, but when characters perform some awful act or atrocity when under mind control, and then the narrative just seems to treat it like it's something they are personally responsible for. If someone doesn't know the circumstances, or the character is blaming themselves, that's one thing, but otherwise, it's literally not their fault by any rational metric. Resentment can still be understandable if it's acknowledged as not rational, but it's when shows just kind of seem to go out of their way to not acknowledge it that it bugs me. It'd be like if Bruce Wayne, instead of taking revenge on crime itself, instead of choosing to focus exclusively on Joe Chill, instead of even having it focused on the particular firearm that his parents were slain with, decided to fixate on the specific bullets that were in his parents. It's just stupid. I like how Star Trek DS9 handled it in the pilot. Clearly Sisko blames Picard for the death of his wife, but knows it wasn't him so he's just a bit of a dick while still doing his duty, then dealing with her death makes him somewhat soften. Like most of Starfleet Sisko knew Picard was not to blame. But two factors made him more bitter anyway. The death of his wife plus he was in a ship that had Locutus right there on the viewscreen. Other who never had to hear Picards voice and see his face probably had an easier time not blaming him. And not having someone to blame, as Picard was mind controlled and the Borg were a rare thing, led to him being unable to move on. If he was on Voyager blowing away Borg left and right he would have been more well adjusted.
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