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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Feb 28, 2023 9:08:54 GMT -5
I went 6. It wasn't a great show, admittedly, but I thought Cody/Gable rocked and the opening tag was good.
Some of the other stuff seems to be running into the usual HHH tropes we've seen of matches just going too long or things being 50/50 when there should be definitive victories.
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Post by King Devitt and the Woke Mob on Feb 28, 2023 9:10:36 GMT -5
Yeah and it took an entire movement and social media to get Vince to pivot. Acting like it was WWE playing some sort of 4D chess is misleading at best. That isn't going to happen here. Iyo and Dakota are cooked, for all intents and purposes. And I can't see them being big players going forward as Triple H has made sure to completely screw over any sort of goodwill or momentum they might have had. Especially when you/they decided that Lita (who could barely move and significantly botched all but one of her moves) should be getting a title. Gave RAW a 1 because that main event was probably the worst main event we'll be getting on a weekly televised show in 2023. It'll take a massive effort to book something worse than what was on RAW tonight. The only other comparison I can make is Austin Theory cashing in on the US title and failing. But at least Triple H got called out for that. Fact of the matter is that Lita looked like absolute garbage tonight, and they made Iyo look even worse, to the point where I don't see her recovering from it without a period of VERY, VERY, VERY STRONG booking for her. Something he has shown he has zero incentive to do as its more likely she's off the Mania card now. I think Iyo can recover, though for whatever reason the last couple weeks of WWE booking have made me think that the Fightful article that came out where apparently Triple H has pivoted to saying the wrestlers he's brought back in the last year were brought back for roster depth only kind of feels like a cop out and a pivot to saying "things aren't going like I thought they would with fans. I've said it before but I do feel like there's at times a bit of naivety in thinking that just not being Vince and trying to push different people will instantly get them over True, but at least HHH seems to know when to pivot, and scale back when things aren't working. He listens to the audience instead of dubbing over them with the reactions he wants and pushing who he wants no matter what the fans think (like Vince with Roman the new Cena, Theory, etc). If the roles were reversed, and it was Vince high on Karrion Kross, then Kross would be main eventing WM, and the fans be damned. Also piped in reactions. Also my vote was Barely Watched. I wish that wasn't the same as 0.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Feb 28, 2023 9:13:11 GMT -5
I think Iyo can recover, though for whatever reason the last couple weeks of WWE booking have made me think that the Fightful article that came out where apparently Triple H has pivoted to saying the wrestlers he's brought back in the last year were brought back for roster depth only kind of feels like a cop out and a pivot to saying "things aren't going like I thought they would with fans. I've said it before but I do feel like there's at times a bit of naivety in thinking that just not being Vince and trying to push different people will instantly get them over True, but at least HHH seems to know when to pivot, and scale back when things aren't working. He listens to the audience instead of dubbing over them with the reactions he wants and pushing who he wants no matter what the fans think (like Vince with Roman the new Cena, Theory, etc). If the roles were reversed Kross would be main eventing WM, and the fans be damned. Also piped in reactions. It's a bit of a backhanded compliment from me yes but you are right that Triple H does pivot, but to me personally that doesn't mean things are working even when pivoted. There are popular acts, but aside from Sami vs Bloodline, I don't think many particular angles are working. That's why also in the post I mention naivety
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Post by mistery on Feb 28, 2023 9:13:37 GMT -5
Yeah and it took an entire movement and social media to get Vince to pivot. Acting like it was WWE playing some sort of 4D chess is misleading at best. That isn't going to happen here. Iyo and Dakota are cooked, for all intents and purposes. And I can't see them being big players going forward as Triple H has made sure to completely screw over any sort of goodwill or momentum they might have had. Especially when you/they decided that Lita (who could barely move and significantly botched all but one of her moves) should be getting a title. Gave RAW a 1 because that main event was probably the worst main event we'll be getting on a weekly televised show in 2023. It'll take a massive effort to book something worse than what was on RAW tonight. The only other comparison I can make is Austin Theory cashing in on the US title and failing. But at least Triple H got called out for that. Fact of the matter is that Lita looked like absolute garbage tonight, and they made Iyo look even worse, to the point where I don't see her recovering from it without a period of VERY, VERY, VERY STRONG booking for her. Something he has shown he has zero incentive to do as its more likely she's off the Mania card now. I think Iyo can recover, though for whatever reason the last couple weeks of WWE booking have made me think that the Fightful article that came out where apparently Triple H has pivoted to saying the wrestlers he's brought back in the last year were brought back for roster depth only kind of feels like a cop out and a pivot to saying "things aren't going like I thought they would with fans. I've said it before but I do feel like there's at times a bit of naivety in thinking that just not being Vince and trying to push different people will instantly get them over I mean...sure. But the problem is that Triple H screwed up with Dakota and Iyo from Day 1 of their main roster debut. Them backing off from Bianca and Becky at Summerslam was awful. They should have laid both women out. But instead the following night had Bianca pretty much completely running over Iyo, no selling her as a threat. And then chasing off Damage CTRL when they interfered. It's obvious he doesn't know what gets talent over. Anyone who has gotten over during his run in creative right now has been by pure luck, or already there from when Vince was in power. Because if you make the talent look weak or like geeks, then the audience is going to respond accordingly. Which is what the root of the issue is with Damage CTRL. They've never won a feud. They are the League of Nations except even worse off. He also fails to capitalize on moments that get people talking. Like the Asuka/Iyo promo that went viral? Never followed up on. Any other promoter would have seen that there was something there that could be capitalized on. But not Triple H! And now both Iyo and Dakota are severely damaged goods (especially Iyo after last night), who I find it hard to believe will recover from last night. Especially when they were portraying Iyo as being outclassed by Lita who was moving like a sloth with two broken legs, along with Lita botching all but one of her moves.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Feb 28, 2023 9:22:12 GMT -5
I think Iyo can recover, though for whatever reason the last couple weeks of WWE booking have made me think that the Fightful article that came out where apparently Triple H has pivoted to saying the wrestlers he's brought back in the last year were brought back for roster depth only kind of feels like a cop out and a pivot to saying "things aren't going like I thought they would with fans. I've said it before but I do feel like there's at times a bit of naivety in thinking that just not being Vince and trying to push different people will instantly get them over I mean...sure. But the problem is that Triple H screwed up with Dakota and Iyo from Day 1 of their main roster debut. Them backing off from Bianca and Becky at Summerslam was awful. They should have laid both women out. But instead the following night had Bianca pretty much completely running over Iyo, no selling her as a threat. And then chasing off Damage CTRL when they interfered. It's obvious he doesn't know what gets talent over. Anyone who has gotten over during his run in creative right now has been by pure luck, or already there from when Vince was in power. Because if you make the talent look weak or like geeks, then the audience is going to respond accordingly. Which is what the root of the issue is with Damage CTRL. They've never won a feud. They are the League of Nations except even worse off. Again, nobody can convincing me that Iyo and Dakota weren't brought in to have them and Becky fight Bianca, Sasha, and Naomi. There was just way too much stalling and taking focus off of Asuska and Alexa when Damage CTRL first debuted. But Iyo is someone at even at NXT was a proven draw and I think has maintained a level of overness. I love Dakota, but I have less hope for her because despite being popular in NXT it always felt like she was there to get others over... and I find it very unlikely she ever gets that spark that got Becky out of the same position. I sort of agree with the booking stuff and again that's why I mention naivety. I use Hit Row as an example a lot as it's well documented that aside from HBK not many saw much in Swerve and I think while he did pivot and hasn't pushed them hard, I think he thought the group was the draw and not Swerve. THere's also his love of Kross. But I've said as well, you want to get someone over? No matter the company the easiest way to do that is to let a wrestler go out there and show how good of a wrestler they are. AEW and Impact have gotten quite a few people over cause of that. Aside from Gunther, I don't really think WWE has done that yet or at least not enough/capitalize on it when they do
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Post by BRV on Feb 28, 2023 11:53:54 GMT -5
If you look at their touring schedule, this probably was the last "filler" Raw or SmackDown until WrestleMania. With all due respect to the fine people of Grand Rapids, the cities that are hosting the upcoming Raws and SmackDowns until WrestleMania are some of the major stops in WWE's touring schedule.
RAW LOCATIONS UNITL WRESTLEMANIA March 6: Boston March 13: Providence March 20: St. Louis March 27: Phoenix
SMACKDOWN LOCATIONS UNTIL WRESTLEMANIA March 3: Washington, DC March 10: Pittsburgh March 17: Kansas City March 24: Las Vegas March 31: Los Angeles (also Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony)
With the exception of maybe Providence (as a Rhode Islander, I'm allowed to say it), those are all significant cities on the Road to WrestleMania. Every one of those shows, especially considering we're four weeks out from WrestleMania, will be a big deal.
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Post by A Little Doo Doo on Feb 28, 2023 16:19:53 GMT -5
I enjoyed everything about the Cody vs. Gable match, and "BUH BYE BITCH!" was hilarious. Everything else, well... you know. *coughs*
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Post by asuka007 on Feb 28, 2023 16:48:37 GMT -5
Yeah and it took an entire movement and social media to get Vince to pivot. Acting like it was WWE playing some sort of 4D chess is misleading at best. That isn't going to happen here. Iyo and Dakota are cooked, for all intents and purposes. And I can't see them being big players going forward as Triple H has made sure to completely screw over any sort of goodwill or momentum they might have had. Especially when you/they decided that Lita (who could barely move and significantly botched all but one of her moves) should be getting a title. Gave RAW a 1 because that main event was probably the worst main event we'll be getting on a weekly televised show in 2023. It'll take a massive effort to book something worse than what was on RAW tonight. The only other comparison I can make is Austin Theory cashing in on the US title and failing. But at least Triple H got called out for that. Fact of the matter is that Lita looked like absolute garbage tonight, and they made Iyo look even worse, to the point where I don't see her recovering from it without a period of VERY, VERY, VERY STRONG booking for her. Something he has shown he has zero incentive to do as its more likely she's off the Mania card now. I think Iyo can recover, though for whatever reason the last couple weeks of WWE booking have made me think that the Fightful article that came out where apparently Triple H has pivoted to saying the wrestlers he's brought back in the last year were brought back for roster depth only kind of feels like a cop out and a pivot to saying "things aren't going like I thought they would with fans. I've said it before but I do feel like there's at times a bit of naivety in thinking that just not being Vince and trying to push different people will instantly get them over One thing Triple H and Tony Khan seem to have in common is that they assume most fans are more in the know than they actually are. It feels like Triple H must assumed like the MR fans would immediately know/respond to the former NXT people. So he’s put little effort into building them up or giving them interesting stuff to do. And we’ve seen that that is not the case.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Feb 28, 2023 16:57:35 GMT -5
I think Iyo can recover, though for whatever reason the last couple weeks of WWE booking have made me think that the Fightful article that came out where apparently Triple H has pivoted to saying the wrestlers he's brought back in the last year were brought back for roster depth only kind of feels like a cop out and a pivot to saying "things aren't going like I thought they would with fans. I've said it before but I do feel like there's at times a bit of naivety in thinking that just not being Vince and trying to push different people will instantly get them over One thing Triple H and Tony Khan seem to have in common is that they assume most fans are more in the know than they actually are. It feels like Triple H must assumed like the MR fans would immediately know/respond to the former NXT people. So he’s put little effort into building them up or giving them interesting stuff to do. And we’ve seen that that is not the case. With Tony I think he does mark out occasionally. There was a bunch of discourse around the Christian signing and hyping it. He clearly marked out for the Hardys. And Tony admitted on the Swerve podcast he thought people would like Sammy and Tay together since they were a good couple IRL. With Triple H I think yes there was some of that with NXT. I think another part of it is A)He over estimated how over some of NXT wrestlers was but also B)He underestimated that some of the talent he's wanted to push that were already on the main roster had to truly be rebuilt
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