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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Mar 6, 2023 0:35:03 GMT -5
I think the precedent for quick changes has helped make them more palatable, and I appreciate that most of the wins have had narrative impact - which is the thing a longer title reign would be hoping to achieve, anyway. Wardlow winning the belt off Joe was Wardlow taking something from Joe as vengeance, which is about as much as one could ask for from a macguffin like a title belt. Similarly, I thought the Scorpio/Sammy hot potato was actually going OK until the decision to double down on Scorpio as a heel - each title change signified something happening narratively, and in fact Scorpio turning face off the final win was literally what worked about it until they reversed that in a completely preventable disaster.
Basically: the reason to do long reigns to begin with is to ensure that the title change is a meaningful change of status quo, so as long as the rapid changes are doing that, I don't have a problem with them.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Mar 6, 2023 1:10:43 GMT -5
so FWIW, on the post show, SRS made it sound like Samoa Joe will be more of a focus on ROH going forward.
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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 6, 2023 2:57:00 GMT -5
It kind of feels like their equivalent to the NEVER title sometimes, mixed with the IC title in like 2000 or so.
The title is arguably about as important as whoever is holding it at a given time, but I do think it lends some credibility to its winners. Well, usually, though Sky's reign wasn't on the belt, but on him being like the fifth wheel in his own title feud. Sammy, Lambert, Ethan Page, and Tay were all more important than him during that feud.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Mar 6, 2023 7:20:43 GMT -5
If Hobbs is winning, Joe should have retained here, otherwise it's yet another short reign for Wardlow who's already lost momentum.
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Post by Bo Rida on Mar 6, 2023 7:48:57 GMT -5
Most of aew is very predictable and while that has many positives (it's logical story telling) it's good to a have a title where there's more chance of it changing hands in any given match.
I wouldn't usually suggest using noah as a booking example to follow but I like they they have unsuccessful first defences and title changes on lesser shows. Something that should happen with the tnt title on occasion.
Really think they need to ensure its defended really frequently to help justify that. Sometimes that happens but not in the reigns that have underwhelmed.
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Post by polarbearpete on Mar 6, 2023 9:40:20 GMT -5
so FWIW, on the post show, SRS made it sound like Samoa Joe will be more of a focus on ROH going forward. Nooooo
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Post by ghost on Mar 6, 2023 13:17:12 GMT -5
Yeah I think they booked themselves in a corner here for no reason. Joe, Wardlow, and Hobbs shouldn’t be losing often given their characters. So now they either have to have Wardlow lose the title 3 days after winning it, or have Hobbs lose and risk losing the momentum he’s gotten recently. Feels like all of this could have been avoided by just keeping the title on Darby and having Hobbs beat him for it, while Wardlow/Joe ending their feud without the TNT title involved.
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Post by 06vwgti on Mar 6, 2023 13:44:38 GMT -5
so FWIW, on the post show, SRS made it sound like Samoa Joe will be more of a focus on ROH going forward. This was my thought when he lost the title last night. Really wish it was Hobbs who got it though
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Post by dbrussel on Mar 6, 2023 13:47:12 GMT -5
Just wait, cause i think they put the title on Wardlow to avoid a Joe vs Hoobs, heel vs heel match. Zero surprise if the title changes hands again this wednesday
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Post by schizo on Mar 6, 2023 13:48:26 GMT -5
With to many loooog title reigns in WWE and AEW, it’s refreshing to have a title that changes hands frequently imo
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Post by The Ichi on Mar 6, 2023 15:27:34 GMT -5
It's not that it changes hands too much (although yes, it does). It's that it changes right as a reign is really hot. Both of Darby's runs, Miro's run and both Joe runs had a lot of gas in their tanks. I really wanted to see King Joe just kill dudes for longer.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Mar 6, 2023 18:12:18 GMT -5
I feel like the TNT belt changes often enough that it's kinda become worthless in its own right and so it makes the matches unpredictable and fun. Kind of like the hardcore title but less stupid. You never know who's gonna win it. Sonjay Dutt could win it next week. Let the Librarian have it. Why not.
Cannot express to you how little I care about Wardlow, though. And as someone who is very much not over his dead dad, the fact that Wardlow's whole deal about his hair and his dad thing didn't get to me emotionally in any way at all tells you a LOT about how I feel about his character
Who is Wardlow? As far as I can tell, he is:
- Big - Gullible - Likes hair - Bereaved - Powerbombs?
I suppose that's five character traits. Woo!
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Mar 6, 2023 18:32:02 GMT -5
I've always been a fan of decently frequent title changes as a fantasy booker. It makes the division feel competitive, and makes the occasional long reign feel important.
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Post by Cyno on Mar 6, 2023 22:51:17 GMT -5
I think it's ok for a midcard championship with a reputation as being a "fighting champion's belt" to change hands more often. It's also a TV championship of a sort, so it's also the belt that makes the most sense to change on a random Dynamite or Rampage versus saving the change at a PPV.
Just don't go overboard with hot potato-ing it.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Mar 6, 2023 23:18:40 GMT -5
TV titles (which is essentially what the TNT/TBS belts are) are the perfect titles to switch hands more often.
I would actually love it if the gimmick was that it has to be defended literally every single week on TV so with that kind of schedule you'd never have any super long reigns but even getting to 5-8 successful defences would be seen as a big deal.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Mar 6, 2023 23:32:50 GMT -5
*monkey paw finger curls and it’s unified with the World title*
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Post by "Sweet & Sour" ImSoFudginGreat on Mar 7, 2023 6:08:40 GMT -5
My bold prediction is that Joe vs Wardlow isn’t over. Joe will cost Wardlow the title against Hobbs and Wardlow will go after the ROH TV Title.
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Post by eJm on Mar 7, 2023 6:12:05 GMT -5
I mean, regardless of what you think about the actual talent involved and how things have done for builds etc, the TNT title is a TV title. The role of a TV title has always been to have title changes on a more consistent so you can save your world title changes for PPVs and bigger events.
So taking away Wardlow, Joe, Darby whatever...I don't, no.
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Post by Denny Zen is Cooking™ on Mar 8, 2023 22:00:58 GMT -5
So this thread feels worth revisiting.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 8, 2023 22:03:56 GMT -5
So this thread feels worth revisiting. And I think my point still stands, when the rest of the belts have much longer reigns, having one belt that's very hard to keep a hold of is pretty cool I think Hobbs is destined to have a longer reign though
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