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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2023 9:59:04 GMT -5
The line that IMO stung the most was about the piped in noise....Cena aint wrong but oofa doofa.
This is a case IMO where a loss would actually be better for Theory than him winning because if he wins and is not immediately catapulted right into WWE-Universal title contention than the win means nothing but doing that so quick with him would be a puttin your cart before the horse after everything Cena said about him.
If he loses you wrap him in a story about no longer believing himself (exactly like Cena told him) and then craft a nice nearly year long build where he slowly builds himself back up...and ends up babyface in the process and then you can bring Cena back to put him over with an inverse of the promo he cut on him lastnight.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2023 10:00:01 GMT -5
"If I win, you don't matter and if you win, it doesn't matter either."
This reminded me why I don't miss John Cena on my television. The worst wrestling character of all time.
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Post by ghost on Mar 7, 2023 10:33:58 GMT -5
I just saw it online. I liked the piped in crowd noise part because the WWE should be embarrassed to be doing that during live shows, whether for Theory or anyone else, so Cena bringing attention to it (whether it was planned or adlibbed) is great. As far as the promo itself, I think Theory is hot garbage, so him being eviscerated on the mic is fine by me, but not sure it was the type of promo to do if you want anyone to care for the match beyond "Cena is wrestling".
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Mar 7, 2023 10:43:10 GMT -5
I just saw it online. I liked the piped in crowd noise part because the WWE should be embarrassed to be doing that during live shows, whether for Theory or anyone else, so Cena bringing attention to it (whether it was planned or adlibbed) is great. My key issue with this is that it's the equivalent on when a video game references bad controls or story or plain level design as a bit...and then keeps doing that thing they made fun out of it. Cena pointing out the crowd noise is piped in isn't going to get them to stop doing the piped in crowd noise so referencing it just makes all involved look like goobers. For me...like, I look at stuff like this and think about how feuds like this would be better served talking about wrestling credentials or past vs. present, things like that rather than "You old" "Nah, you suck". How does that make people care about a match between the two? And if Theory wins, which I don't see why he wouldn't, it makes Cena look like really silly.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2023 11:04:01 GMT -5
"If I win, you don't matter and if you win, it doesn't matter either." This reminded me why I don't miss John Cena on my television. The worst wrestling character of all time. He has always been super selfish as a character. Your right though through it all this one line renders the entire situation pointless.
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Post by ASYLUMHAUSEN on Mar 7, 2023 11:18:51 GMT -5
Well, Peacemaker does tend to not leave survivors so this tracks.
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Post by fw91 on Mar 7, 2023 11:25:37 GMT -5
This reminded me why I don't miss John Cena on my television. The worst wrestling character of all time. I get the resentment of his sporadic corniness, but for better or worse, the guy knows how to keep an audience’s (tv or live crowd) attention. Imo, that counts for a lot of goodwill in modern times
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Post by BRV on Mar 7, 2023 12:01:11 GMT -5
This will be John Cena's second consecutive true WrestleMania match in which his mouth gets him into trouble.
In 2018, leading up to WrestleMania 34, Cena spent weeks calling out The Undertaker, demanding he get a one-on-one match at wrestling's biggest showcase with its most iconic performer. And he was met with silence every single time. So when he finally gets what he wants on the night of WrestleMania, he's the proverbial dog chasing a car, and he doesn't know what to do now that he has it. He spent all that time antagonizing The Undertaker without contemplating what he would do were they to actually fight. And once the bell rang, he got his ass handed to him and lost in less than three minutes.
Fast-forward five years and he's effectively telling Austin Theory he won't waste his time on him because he's not on his level. He's once again underestimating his opponent's hunger, and it's prime to come back and bite him. It's a surprisingly heel tactic from John Cena, but one that could end with Austin Theory being a made man come WrestleMania weekend.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Mar 7, 2023 12:20:57 GMT -5
In 2018, leading up to WrestleMania 34, Cena spent weeks calling out The Undertaker, demanding he get a one-on-one match at wrestling's biggest showcase with its most iconic performer. And he was met with silence every single time. So when he finally gets what he wants on the night of WrestleMania, he's the proverbial dog chasing a car, and he doesn't know what to do now that he has it. He spent all that time antagonizing The Undertaker without contemplating what he would do were they to actually fight. And once the bell rang, he got his ass handed to him and lost in less than three minutes. On a seperate note, f*** that entire feud, f*** that entire match and f************ the fact that the entire thing happened because Undertaker wasn’t sure about when Vince asked him about it at the Rumble that year, a scene they left into their documentary about him! The fact there are people that liked it boggles my mind because man, even if it wouldn’t exactly be Taker/HBK, you could have done more with it than you did. A gigantic waste of time.
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Post by Mainia on Mar 7, 2023 12:26:14 GMT -5
Maybe I'm just vain, but I would much rather have a wrestling match with piped crowd noise than be bald/have receeding hair. So this line wasn't in any way a huge burn or a demolition for me 😂
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Post by ChitownKnight on Mar 7, 2023 12:59:40 GMT -5
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Post by ghost on Mar 7, 2023 13:08:52 GMT -5
"If I win, you don't matter and if you win, it doesn't matter either." This reminded me why I don't miss John Cena on my television. The worst wrestling character of all time. Worst wrestling character of all time is post quad tear Triple H, IMO. A heel that showed no fear (except with Batista) and a face that showed no vulnerability. That was him. Cena is telling Austin Theory that Theory is not on Cena’s level. Triple H was denying Undertaker (!) a WM match because HHH kicked his ass too much the last time, even though he lost. Cena at his absolute most selfish can’t touch HHH.
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Post by ghost on Mar 7, 2023 13:32:49 GMT -5
I just saw it online. I liked the piped in crowd noise part because the WWE should be embarrassed to be doing that during live shows, whether for Theory or anyone else, so Cena bringing attention to it (whether it was planned or adlibbed) is great. My key issue with this is that it's the equivalent on when a video game references bad controls or story or plain level design as a bit...and then keeps doing that thing they made fun out of it. Cena pointing out the crowd noise is piped in isn't going to get them to stop doing the piped in crowd noise so referencing it just makes all involved look like goobers. For me...like, I look at stuff like this and think about how feuds like this would be better served talking about wrestling credentials or past vs. present, things like that rather than "You old" "Nah, you suck". How does that make people care about a match between the two? And if Theory wins, which I don't see why he wouldn't, it makes Cena look like really silly. Yeah if they keep using the fake crowd noise moving forward then Cena probably adlibbed that part because there's no reason for WWE to want that out there. To me the crowd piping is obvious but for others it may not be, so Cena exposing it and then having it continue would make the WWE look worse. There was a way to do this feud without Cena going fully shooty like he always does, but I think that's just Cena's character now. I almost wish he was feuding with Cody instead because it would be 25 minutes of them trying to out-shoot each other. Theory is going to win this match and he's not going to be better or worse for it, much like Reigns in 2017. I don't know if that's more an indictment on Cena or the company for marginalizing Cena the last few years, but it is what it is.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Mar 7, 2023 14:00:18 GMT -5
Yeah, if they keep using the fake crowd noise moving forward then Cena probably adlibbed that part because there's no reason for WWE to want that out there. To me the crowd piping is obvious but for others it may not be, so Cena exposing it and then having it continue would make the WWE look worse. Just, like, don’t put it in when the crowd is blatantly not cheering for anything because now people will just see that. I’m just grateful they took the sound file for the seagull pop of the mid 2000s behind the woodshed and sent it to the great soundboard in the sky…of Hell, hopefully. It’s just, I don’t know, I get it and there’s not much more of substance you can do with Cena’s character now but yeah, the marginalization of John Cena over the last 6-7 years or so is just the oddest thing especially considering a) he’s still a big time draw and b) is going to be a bigger mainstream presence in between Fast X, the Waller TV show and some other projects here and there.
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Post by sportatorium on Mar 7, 2023 15:18:50 GMT -5
I haven't engaged with Austin Theory much on the main roster. I haven't had a problem with him, but he's not the first thing I think of when watching WWE. That is 100% not his fault, that's how he's been booked. He was Vince's chosen one, got the line from Roman "your daddy isn't here anymore". He's had the US title hotshotted a bit, but not in a detrimental way. Seth & Lashley have put him over, and nothing much was followed up on after that.
So, having Cena go out and eviscerate him really is Cena eviscerating WWE. Maybe we'll get to a point in this match that the ends justify the means, but I really doubt it. That was a Billy Bitchcakes take down last night & Theory was only allowed to point out some male pattern baldness which Cena no sold.
By the end, my only thought for Theory was "dude, you have to do something to stand up to him". I don't think that's what they were going for.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Mar 7, 2023 15:45:46 GMT -5
I haven't engaged with Austin Theory much on the main roster. I haven't had a problem with him, but he's not the first thing I think of when watching WWE. That is 100% not his fault, that's how he's been booked. He was Vince's chosen one, got the line from Roman "your daddy isn't here anymore". He's had the US title hotshotted a bit, but not in a detrimental way. Seth & Lashley have put him over, and nothing much was followed up on after that. So, having Cena go out and eviscerate him really is Cena eviscerating WWE. Maybe we'll get to a point in this match that the ends justify the means, but I really doubt it. That was a Billy Bitchcakes take down last night & Theory was only allowed to point out some male pattern baldness which Cena no sold. By the end, my only thought for Theory was "dude, you have to do something to stand up to him". I don't think that's what they were going for. I saw a tweet from someone, don’t remember from who, where they theorized that Cena’s intention with these promos is to get a response and a fire under his opponent’s belly to do that. The thing is, though, it’s not the company to do that unless you reach a certain level. Roman when he first feuded with Cena absolutely could not do that. His response being about ratings and ticket sales said it all. Theory could only go “Lol, you’re bald” which also says it all. The only real logic of it is if you plan to run it back in, say, 4-5 years time at a SummerSlam when Theory is the top guy in the company and Cena’s being dragged back to boost that show’s ticket sales and he can respond better. Like you said, it doesn’t really do much for him now except remind you how sanitized and scripted the company is with its talent unless they really, really like you.
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Post by Red Mage Riot on Mar 7, 2023 15:47:03 GMT -5
I mean, I'm not super invested in Austin Theory, the dude reeks of "fool's gold" to me, in terms of being an up and comer, but man, this is a major part-timer, coming back for a "Wrestlemania Moment" against a guy who's gonna be there every week, in a company drunk off it's nostalgia for itself. Theory ain't winning this.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Mar 7, 2023 16:38:35 GMT -5
I mean, I'm not super invested in Austin Theory, the dude reeks of "fool's gold" to me, in terms of being an up and comer, but man, this is a major part-timer, coming back for a "Wrestlemania Moment" against a guy who's gonna be there every week, in a company drunk off it's nostalgia for itself. Theory ain't winning this. Oh, here’s the key thing about all this; Theory’s winning. Cena in terms of a draw is a star but besides that one win at the end of last year in the tag match, he hasn’t had a winning track record for years. He’s literally here to put over the present US champion and lose to him. The thing that makes this weird is the dude is going to come out of it like Roman did after his first match against Cena; having proven absolutely nothing to what Cena actually said to him.
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Post by Chiral on Mar 7, 2023 16:40:50 GMT -5
There were funny lines but Cenas fourth wall scorched earth promos are terrible at getting me to care about a match.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Mar 7, 2023 16:45:48 GMT -5
In 2018, leading up to WrestleMania 34, Cena spent weeks calling out The Undertaker, demanding he get a one-on-one match at wrestling's biggest showcase with its most iconic performer. And he was met with silence every single time. So when he finally gets what he wants on the night of WrestleMania, he's the proverbial dog chasing a car, and he doesn't know what to do now that he has it. He spent all that time antagonizing The Undertaker without contemplating what he would do were they to actually fight. And once the bell rang, he got his ass handed to him and lost in less than three minutes. On a seperate note, f*** that entire feud, f*** that entire match and f************ the fact that the entire thing happened because Undertaker wasn’t sure about when Vince asked him about it at the Rumble that year, a scene they left into their documentary about him! The fact there are people that liked it boggles my mind because man, even if it wouldn’t exactly be Taker/HBK, you could have done more with it than you did. A gigantic waste of time. At least the squash made sense, because they kept cutting back to Cena in the crowd drinking beers up until Taker showed up.
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