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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Nov 19, 2023 14:08:18 GMT -5
I feel like people are jumping the gun about the Completionist situation. There just seems to be a lot of assumptions and leaps and logic. Yes, there was definitely at least some mishandling, but to go from that to straight-up accusing people of scamming people or stealing from their own charity seems like quite a reach, especially considering everybody seems to agree the money is still in the charity's account and hasn't been touched by anyone.
So just to clarify, I'm not saying they didn't touch on something important, but I don't like the way they seem to pile pure speculation on top of the facts for the sake of clicks. Considering these accusations originate from drama content mills, I feel like caution is in order.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Nov 19, 2023 15:20:58 GMT -5
I feel like people are jumping the gun about the Completionist situation. There just seems to be a lot of assumptions and leaps and logic. Yes, there was definitely at least some mishandling, but to go from that to straight-up accusing people of scamming people or stealing from their own charity seems like quite a reach, especially considering everybody seems to agree the money is still in the charity's account and hasn't been touched by anyone. So just to clarify, I'm not saying they didn't touch on something important, but I don't like the way they seem to pile pure speculation on top of the facts for the sake of clicks. Considering these accusations originate from drama content mills, I feel like caution is in order. I mean, a charity that solicits donations for ten years and doesn't forward a single cent of the money to charitable causes is the very definition of a scam, is it not? The speculation over what the $125,000 in expenses is presented a little clickbaity, but when those are the only outgoings in at least a decade the questions need to be asked. |
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Post by Fundertaker on Nov 19, 2023 15:52:41 GMT -5
I feel like people are jumping the gun about the Completionist situation. There just seems to be a lot of assumptions and leaps and logic. Yes, there was definitely at least some mishandling, but to go from that to straight-up accusing people of scamming people or stealing from their own charity seems like quite a reach, especially considering everybody seems to agree the money is still in the charity's account and hasn't been touched by anyone. So just to clarify, I'm not saying they didn't touch on something important, but I don't like the way they seem to pile pure speculation on top of the facts for the sake of clicks. Considering these accusations originate from drama content mills, I feel like caution is in order. I mean, a charity that solicits donations for ten years and doesn't forward a single cent of the money to charitable causes is the very definition of a scam, is it not? The speculation over what the $125,000 in expenses is presented a little clickbaity, but when those are the only outgoings in at least a decade the questions need to be asked. Definition of scam would be more "Charity solicits donations for years but owner pockets money instead of forwarding it to chartiable causes". Until something like that is proven, this is just incompetence and mismanagement. A scam is a crime and crimes have to be proven as such. |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Nov 19, 2023 16:12:38 GMT -5
Definition of scam would be more "Charity solicits donations for years but owner pockets money instead of forwarding it to chartiable causes". Until something like that is proven, this is just incompetence and mismanagement. A scam is a crime and crimes have to be proven as such. I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, but it seems to me the difference between mismanagement and a scam is whether one gets caught or not. I could maybe buy mismanagement if it happened for a year or two, but an entire decade? And for it to continue happening for two years after the face of the venture admitted to being aware of it happening? That's a tougher proposition to accept. |
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Post by Gunhaver on Nov 19, 2023 16:14:27 GMT -5
Colleen Ballinger's resurfaced, with a ukulele free statement in the hopes of making a comeback. Think that ship's well and truly sailed for her now. Video has 500,000 views and the comments are pretty much all, "OMG so glad you're back!" so I feel like she's going to see no consequences whatsoever. I'd bet any work she does outside of YouTube is still toast, though. Networks and publishers won't be coming back to work with her. |
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Nov 19, 2023 18:02:42 GMT -5
I feel like people are jumping the gun about the Completionist situation. There just seems to be a lot of assumptions and leaps and logic. Yes, there was definitely at least some mishandling, but to go from that to straight-up accusing people of scamming people or stealing from their own charity seems like quite a reach, especially considering everybody seems to agree the money is still in the charity's account and hasn't been touched by anyone. So just to clarify, I'm not saying they didn't touch on something important, but I don't like the way they seem to pile pure speculation on top of the facts for the sake of clicks. Considering these accusations originate from drama content mills, I feel like caution is in order. I mean, a charity that solicits donations for ten years and doesn't forward a single cent of the money to charitable causes is the very definition of a scam, is it not? The speculation over what the $125,000 in expenses is presented a little clickbaity, but when those are the only outgoings in at least a decade the questions need to be asked. Not really, no; especially if the money is still untouched in the organisation's account. There's a difference between negligence and actively trying to defraud people by exploiting people in need to enrich yourself. Of course questions should be asked, I never disagreed with that, and people shouldn't be donating to that charity any more, at least until we know for a fact that the money has finally been properly donated, but that doesn't make it okay for these people to present their own speculations as fact. And keep in mind, all that is assuming SomeOrdinaryGamers' info is reliable, and considering he's shown to not exactly be above spreading misinformation and questionable accusations for views, I can't just make that assumption. Again, obviously at least some of it is true, but my point is, with such a serious issue, we should stick to verifiable facts rather than dubious content farms' narrative. |
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Post by Fundertaker on Nov 20, 2023 4:15:36 GMT -5
Definition of scam would be more "Charity solicits donations for years but owner pockets money instead of forwarding it to chartiable causes". Until something like that is proven, this is just incompetence and mismanagement. A scam is a crime and crimes have to be proven as such. I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, but it seems to me the difference between mismanagement and a scam is whether one gets caught or not. I could maybe buy mismanagement if it happened for a year or two, but an entire decade? And for it to continue happening for two years after the face of the venture admitted to being aware of it happening? That's a tougher proposition to accept. Making it tougher to accept doesn't make it less true, however. Sticking to the facts is important. The only real fact we have is that the money has been there, untouched, for years. Unless a fact comes to light that makes that benefit someone in some way, it can't, in good faith, be considered a scam. |
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Nov 20, 2023 4:26:15 GMT -5
Honestly I would absolutely consider it a scam regardless if only because funding given a decade ago does not have the same value now that it did then. Even if all of the money were donated tomorrow it'd still not be helping as much as it could have back when.
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Post by Lance Uppercut on Dec 3, 2023 16:02:19 GMT -5
Thanks to these videos, I now know what Swatting is.
What stupid and messed up prank.
Calling the cops on live streamers, multiple times is just crazy. And creepy as hell that these people figured out where these people live
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Post by Gunhaver on Dec 3, 2023 18:38:44 GMT -5
Thanks to these videos, I now know what Swatting is. What stupid and messed up prank. Calling the cops on live streamers, multiple times is just crazy. And creepy as hell that these people figured out where these people live Attempting to get someone killed isn't really a prank. |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 3, 2023 19:42:07 GMT -5
It seems that the Open Hand Foundation runs two major annual fundraisers, IndieLand and the Convenience Cup Challenge golf tournament. The golf tournament amounted for all of OHF's income from 2014-2016, taking in $30-60k per year. When IndieLand began in 2017 the golf tournament's revenue, based on comparing the tax filings to IndieLand announced total raised, appeared to drop to around 10k. After that, IndieLand appears to account for all of OHF's money while the golf tournament's annual revenue – the bare minimum of which can be calculated by looking at the sponsorship price list and the banners declaring which corporations sponsored them and at what level – is off the books. No smoking gun, but certainly enough circumstantial evidence to suggest under-reporting of income on those tax forms. The fact that Karl Jobst is openly calling for an investigation and providing links to report OHF to California's Department of Justice, thus opening himself up to a potential defamation lawsuit suggests he's 100% confident of his assertions. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Dec 4, 2023 1:34:48 GMT -5
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 5, 2023 5:53:21 GMT -5
"After ten years of vetting candidates we have chosen to donate to the candidate we lied to you about donating to the whole time."
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Dec 5, 2023 9:36:23 GMT -5
It's incredibly depressing to me that on the scale of YouTuber frauds, Completionist is probably the least offensive example. Although saying that I've not watched the above video so maybe it's a lot worse, but at least a shitload of money just went to that foundation.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Dec 5, 2023 11:30:56 GMT -5
Thanks to these videos, I now know what Swatting is. What stupid and messed up prank. Calling the cops on live streamers, multiple times is just crazy. And creepy as hell that these people figured out where these people live I am so glad that British laws make it a lot harder to work out someone's home address than America's where there's literal websites you can go to that just have all known addresses of a person and you have to actively go complain to them to get yours delisted. If you've ever seen a certain hate website that harasses YouTubers for having different opinions than them, every American they'll have tracked down their real name and address, the Brits? they don't have anything. |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 10, 2023 18:41:22 GMT -5
Predictably, Jirard is going with the "nothing we did was technically illegal" defence, with a healthy dose of gaslighting (no, Jirard, you didn't imply the money was actively being donated to the institutions you named, you outright said it), shadiness ("we ran the golf tournaments for exposure") and legal threats on top.
Jobst and Muta definitely overstepped the mark, but Jirard almost certainly doesn't want this to go through the courts. Even if the OHF wasn't being criminally run, all evidence points towards it being negligently run, which is almost as bad.
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Post by DichEvans on Dec 10, 2023 21:17:09 GMT -5
One thing I never got is, why do so many people "hate watch" YouTubers/online stars, or give them free attention?
My ex would talk endlessly about how she hated Logan Paul, and her entire history was either his videos or commentaries from other YouTubers ABOUT Logan Paul. She did the same with another food Youtuber named Amber-lynn.
Trust me, your mental health will be WAY better if you just ignore and don't think about people you don't like.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Dec 15, 2023 3:20:22 GMT -5
Karl has responded to Completionist's response
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Post by Gunhaver on Dec 15, 2023 9:03:38 GMT -5
One thing I never got is, why do so many people "hate watch" YouTubers/online stars, or give them free attention? My ef would talk endlessly about how she hated Logan Paul, and her entire history was either his videos or commentaries from other YouTubers ABOUT Logan Paul. She did the same with another food Youtuber named Amber-lynn. Trust me, your mental health will be WAY better if you just ignore and don't think about people you don't like. I think it's complicated, as someone who has been there. It depends on why they feel the way they do. Sometimes it's a feeling of self-righteousness, the "I'm not as bad as this person." Another (and I think more common) aspect is the idea of feeding off anger. Some people like being angry, in a weird way. I'm over simplifying like mad here, and there's definitely other reasons I'm missing, but those are the two that immediately come to mind. |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 16, 2023 2:23:58 GMT -5
Karl has responded to Completionist's response And in response, it seems like most of the gaming community's biggest names are distancing themselves from Jirard. He's pretty much cooked at this point. |
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