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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Mar 23, 2023 1:26:18 GMT -5
Cena kinda needs a win after how disposable they've basically been treated since he stopped being full time
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Mar 23, 2023 1:28:12 GMT -5
If we're going by what Cena said whoever wins it doesn't really matter because if Theory loses, he still sucks and if Theory wins, he still sucks (I can't get over saying "no matter the result it'll suck but OK LET'S DO IT" to promote a wrestlemania match lol) I mean that fits the Cena/REigns build which was built over shit that doesn't get solved in a wrestling match...
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Post by Chiral on Mar 23, 2023 1:34:37 GMT -5
If we're going by what Cena said whoever wins it doesn't really matter because if Theory loses, he still sucks and if Theory wins, he still sucks (I can't get over saying "no matter the result it'll suck but OK LET'S DO IT" to promote a wrestlemania match lol) I mean that fits the Cena/REigns build which was built over shit that doesn't get solved in a wrestling match... A build they did twice too with Cena/Reigns hahahah, maybe Big Match John just loves him some work shoots where he says "nothing matters in this scripted bullshit and it's all about things outside of the storyline that matter in dis biznes and you suck at all of them and you're a fake character and a fraud, now respond to me in character or your sports entertainment life is forfeit to a permanent end" then to get retribution his opponent pins him in a match.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Mar 23, 2023 1:38:51 GMT -5
I mean that fits the Cena/REigns build which was built over shit that doesn't get solved in a wrestling match... A build they did twice too with Cena/Reigns hahahah, maybe Big Match John just loves him some work shoots where he says "nothing matters in this scripted bullshit and it's all about things outside of the storyline that matter in dis biznes and you suck at all of them and you're a fake character and a fraud, now respond to me in character or your sports entertainment life is forfeit to a permanent end" then to get retribution his opponent pins him in a match. it's like Vince decided if Roman wins that means that Cena is wrong somehow!
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Mar 23, 2023 4:34:01 GMT -5
Cena kinda needs a win after how disposable they've basically been treated since he retired the first time. Which is why I can't see him winning. In their eyes, he's still a TV draw and can get a win on a Smackdown when you need a bit of a boost, who gives a f*** if he loses a big PPV match here and there? Like, me personally, I find that mindset insane and a damning inditement of their treatment of the guy since 2017 but...yeah. I ask this every time it comes up, for all the talk about Steve Austin "taking his ball and going home" and not being the guy he was even two years prior, could you imagine going up to him in 2002 and saying "Yeah, we're going to have you come back at Survivor Series, be treated like you're not a big deal to be on a particular team and be one of the first two guys eliminated"? And that's not even the most damning thing they've done with Cena.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Mar 23, 2023 6:01:30 GMT -5
Cena kinda needs a win after how disposable they've basically been treated since he retired the first time. Which is why I can't see him winning. In their eyes, he's still a TV draw and can get a win on a Smackdown when you need a bit of a boost, who gives a f*** if he loses a big PPV match here and there? Like, me personally, I find that mindset insane and a damning inditement of their treatment of the guy since 2017 but...yeah. I ask this every time it comes up, for all the talk about Steve Austin "taking his ball and going home" and not being the guy he was even two years prior, could you imagine going up to him in 2002 and saying "Yeah, we're going to have you come back at Survivor Series, be treated like you're not a big deal to be on a particular team and be one of the first two guys eliminated"? And that's not even the most damning thing they've done with Cena. The only thing different now is HHH wasn't in charge of the writing the other times... unless like all of those times were Cena's idea... in which case, John it's ok to be a little selfish. I'm not saying he should demand to win all the time but he's one of the biggest stars in wrestling, one of the few that has transcended wrestling... they should be treating you like it and they really don't...
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Mar 23, 2023 6:29:13 GMT -5
The only thing different now is HHH wasn't in charge of the writing the other times... unless like all of those times were Cena's idea... in which case, John it's ok to be a little selfish. I'm not saying he should demand to win all the time but he's one of the biggest stars in wrestling, one of the few that has transcended wrestling... they should be treating you like it and they really don't... He basically saved the company. WWE wouldn't be dead but they absolutely wouldn't be the company Vince is trying to sell for $8bn to whoever's left to bid for it if it wasn't for John Cena being right place and right time. Like, at one point, the best idea they had for him was to go out to the ring, demand a match for WrestleMania, nobody show up for some f***ing reason and then shoot on the Undertaker. Say what you will about Batista's 2014 return and how they laughed him out of the building about promoting Guardians of the Galaxy but f***er at least got a WrestleMania main event from it. EDIT: I know I go on about it when the opportunity comes up but Cena's treatment for the past 6 years has baffled me. And I wasn't even a mega fan of him at his peak but a star is a star, man.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Mar 23, 2023 8:07:21 GMT -5
The only thing different now is HHH wasn't in charge of the writing the other times... unless like all of those times were Cena's idea... in which case, John it's ok to be a little selfish. I'm not saying he should demand to win all the time but he's one of the biggest stars in wrestling, one of the few that has transcended wrestling... they should be treating you like it and they really don't... He basically saved the company. WWE wouldn't be dead but they absolutely wouldn't be the company Vince is trying to sell for $8bn to whoever's left to bid for it if it wasn't for John Cena being right place and right time. Like, at one point, the best idea they had for him was to go out to the ring, demand a match for WrestleMania, nobody show up for some f***ing reason and then shoot on the Undertaker. Say what you will about Batista's 2014 return and how they laughed him out of the building about promoting Guardians of the Galaxy but f***er at least got a WrestleMania main event from it. EDIT: I know I go on about it when the opportunity comes up but Cena's treatment for the past 6 years has baffled me. And I wasn't even a mega fan of him at his peak but a star is a star, man. Agree with all of this 1000%. The pickle they're in now is that like, if they're truly going to give Theory a shot, then Cena SHOULD lose. But Cena's lost so much that now we're almost kind of split on it because we're also like "well, dude needs a win." Conventional wisdom is that you have to let Theory beat Cena given how Cena treated him on the mic the other week. We'll see how it works out.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Mar 23, 2023 8:25:02 GMT -5
Agree with all of this 1000%. The pickle they're in now is that like, if they're truly going to give Theory a shot, then Cena SHOULD lose. But Cena's lost so much that now we're almost kind of split on it because we're also like "well, dude needs a win." Conventional wisdom is that you have to let Theory beat Cena given how Cena treated him on the mic the other week. We'll see how it works out. Like, from a marketing standpoint, he doesn’t need to win since people want to see him and will watch him (for the most part) regardless of the outcome but I keep looking at some of the stuff where Roman beats him definitely at SummerSlam and then Brock kills him afterwards to prove a point and I just imagine a scenario where any other big name of the boom periods of any company would do that and all I can come up with is the line “That doesn’t work for me, brother”. Rock practically brought down the entire DCU to the point where they needed to drop in Gunn and Safran to set an entire reboot plan, anyone think he’d let that happen to him? Not a chance in hell. But on topic, yeah, Theory should win because of the murder Cena committed but then, like, will that be the start of Cena being diminished returns? Is he only going to be “shooty shooty bang bang” before losing to the guy they want to be credible?
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Mar 23, 2023 8:39:57 GMT -5
Agree with all of this 1000%. The pickle they're in now is that like, if they're truly going to give Theory a shot, then Cena SHOULD lose. But Cena's lost so much that now we're almost kind of split on it because we're also like "well, dude needs a win." Conventional wisdom is that you have to let Theory beat Cena given how Cena treated him on the mic the other week. We'll see how it works out. Like, from a marketing standpoint, he doesn’t need to win since people want to see him and will watch him (for the most part) regardless of the outcome but I keep looking at some of the stuff where Roman beats him definitely at SummerSlam and then Brock kills him afterwards to prove a point and I just imagine a scenario where any other big name of the boom periods of any company would do that and all I can come up with is the line “That doesn’t work for me, brother”. Rock practically brought down the entire DCU to the point where they needed to drop in Gunn and Safran to set an entire reboot plan, anyone think he’d let that happen to him? Not a chance in hell. But on topic, yeah, Theory should win because of the murder Cena committed but then, like, will that be the start of Cena being diminished returns? Is he only going to be “shooty shooty bang bang” before losing to the guy they want to be credible? I'm not really sure if they're worried about diminished returns because Cena is Cena and there's only one last story to tell with him after Theory and that's the 17th world title. If they actually have him break the record either next year or at 41 when it's the 20th anniversary of his first title win, then I think all the losing actually plays into the story.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Mar 23, 2023 9:00:56 GMT -5
I'm not really sure if they're worried about diminished returns because Cena is Cena and there's only one last story to tell with him after Theory and that's the 17th world title. If they actually have him break the record either next year or at 41 when it's the 20th anniversary of his first title win, then I think all the losing actually plays into the story. That is a fair bet, actually. If all the losses factor into a story like that then I won't be happy with what I ranted about but you can at least put it in a kayfabe context.
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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 23, 2023 9:19:46 GMT -5
You know, I have no idea if they could or would do it, but if they had Cena and Theory go the route of Cena and Angle's first match, that'd be kind of interesting, with Theory losing but doing so in a way that garners some respect from Cena and pushes him in the direction of earning things for himself and presumably turning face. I just really do not think there is any meat on the Austin Theory: Heel bone right now, but even if you insisted on him being a heel, he could dearly use some credibility, and I think an endorsement would do him better than a win would.
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Post by Instant Classic on Mar 23, 2023 11:04:57 GMT -5
I like Theory but he shouldn’t beat Cena. I’m hoping Cena wins and then loses the title to Solo or something the next night.
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Post by RI Richmark on Mar 24, 2023 16:11:59 GMT -5
If Cena wins, they're idiots If Theory wins, they're idiots They booked this. They're idiots Maybe the original Logan vs. Cena matched would've worked better. But she's doing the Valhalla gimmick right now.
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Post by BRV on Mar 24, 2023 16:45:18 GMT -5
It has to be Theory. They’ve only had one interaction in the lead to WrestleMania and it was John Cena ruthlessly clipping off Theory’s balls. If Theory loses after Cena made him look like a chump, then he might not be able to be rescued. It’ll be significantly worse than losing a Money in the Bank cash-in to the United States Champion, because there will be no way to defend Theory in this one.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Mar 24, 2023 17:19:19 GMT -5
It has to be Theory. They’ve only had one interaction in the lead to WrestleMania and it was John Cena ruthlessly clipping off Theory’s balls. If Theory loses after Cena made him look like a chump, then he might not be able to be rescued. It’ll be significantly worse than losing a Money in the Bank cash-in to the United States Champion, because there will be no way to defend Theory in this one. Theory’s 25. Right now he can be sliced, diced and smashed and there’ll still be time left to rebuild him. I’d be concerned and more bothered if he’s still in the “young upstart who needs a good smack in the mouth” spot in the next two years. I don’t think John *has* to beat him since he’s not exactly hurting in terms of overness, but I don’t see it as a death sentence for Theory yet.
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Post by nisidhe on Mar 24, 2023 17:57:01 GMT -5
If Cena doesn't win against Theory, we riot....
Okay, not that far but, really, why bring back Cena if all he's going to do is count lights. Lesnar doesn't have to do that. Logan Paul likely won't have to do that.
Theory has been protected a bit too much over the course of the last year and a half. He managed to go over Finn Balor (I'm biased, but he's someone far more talented and capable than Theory) and was taken under Vince's wing for that length of time. He is at an age where he can easily be torn down and built back better. With Cena, you've got one more potential run with a title or two in him before he rides off into the sunset.
Theory can afford to lose a match. Give him a chance to take Cena to the limit and then let him come up just short.
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Post by BRV on Mar 24, 2023 18:19:58 GMT -5
It has to be Theory. They’ve only had one interaction in the lead to WrestleMania and it was John Cena ruthlessly clipping off Theory’s balls. If Theory loses after Cena made him look like a chump, then he might not be able to be rescued. It’ll be significantly worse than losing a Money in the Bank cash-in to the United States Champion, because there will be no way to defend Theory in this one. Theory’s 25. Right now he can be sliced, diced and smashed and there’ll still be time left to rebuild him. I’d be concerned and more bothered if he’s still in the “young upstart who needs a good smack in the mouth” spot in the next two years. I don’t think John *has* to beat him since he’s not exactly hurting in terms of overness, but I don’t see it as a death sentence for Theory yet. I like the idea of Theory beating Cena at WrestleMania, but Cena coming out the next night on Raw to introduce the challenger who’ll actually beat Theory for the US Title — be it Montez Ford or a debuting Jay White. That way Theory gets his win and doesn’t get neutered at WrestleMania, but still “loses” the rivalry to Cena.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 24, 2023 20:54:29 GMT -5
Apparently Cena vs Theory is gonna be the first match of Mania weekend, so Cena's peaceing out as quickly as possible...
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Post by HonkyTonkMan on Mar 28, 2023 0:37:09 GMT -5
Knowing how ridiculous WWE Creative usually is, my guess is that John Cena will be getting booked to defeat Austin Theory at WrestleMania 39 to become the new WWE United States Champion.
But, Austin Theory absolutely should be booked to defeat John Cena at WrestleMania 39 instead. Even though John Cena is a great human being, I've never been a fan of John Cena. I don't want Cena to be booked to win any future WWE matches. I just wish that Cena would retire from WWE permanently as an in-ring competitor once WrestleMania 39 is over with. Theory really needs a win over Cena at WrestleMania 39 in order for him to have a great chance of actually becoming the next big thing in WWE. Theory losing to Cena at WrestleMania 39 would be such a major setback for Theory's potential of becoming the next big thing in WWE. Cena doesn't need this win in any way. But, Theory sure as hell needs this win.
A triumphant victory by Austin Theory at WrestleMania 39 over the global megastar John Cena would likely lift Theory's WWE career towards super global mega-stardom status for years yet to come as a result of that victory over Cena and make Theory's win over Cena one of the most iconic moments in the history of WrestleMania.
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