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Post by mrtuesday on Apr 12, 2023 13:07:21 GMT -5
Finn Balor spent over a year back in NXT and just had a year-in-the-making Hell in a Cell match with Edge at Mania. Which he lost. Asuka is never going to be on a Mania card ever again, stop being so delusional that you think that WWE sees Asuka as anything but a waste of space, tv time and money. It's clear WWE doesn't see Asuka as someone to build the division around the way they see someone like Becky, Charlotte, Bianaca, or Rhea. Asukas in the "good hand" category. Does WWE hate Natalya or Tamina? No. They're good to have around the division and can fill a spot if need be. Just because your favorite isn't in the main event doesn't mean they're being buried. It just means that WWE doesn't see them as high a priority as you do.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Apr 12, 2023 13:43:13 GMT -5
Which he lost. Asuka is never going to be on a Mania card ever again, stop being so delusional that you think that WWE sees Asuka as anything but a waste of space, tv time and money. It's clear WWE doesn't see Asuka as someone to build the division around the way they see someone like Becky, Charlotte, Bianaca, or Rhea. Asukas in the "good hand" category. Does WWE hate Natalya or Tamina? No. They're good to have around the division and can fill a spot if need be. Just because your favorite isn't in the main event doesn't mean they're being buried. It just means that WWE doesn't see them as high a priority as you do. Saying that someone who has been champion multiple times and is probably about #6 or #7 in the pecking order for the women across all the brands; is hated and buried does seem really extreme. So do they hate all of the women that are pushed less then her? If they really hated someone they wouldn't even be working there. I guess you could maybe say underutilized and I do think it sucks she still hasn't won a Mania match yet. However Sasha was 0-6 at Mania too before finally winning last year despite being one of the most pushed stars in the division for years.
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Post by MrElijah on Apr 12, 2023 14:33:19 GMT -5
Luigi not sure if he wants to DO THE THING.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Apr 13, 2023 4:11:54 GMT -5
Seriously, what the f*** is it about women wrestlers that turn some of you into actual f***ing lunatics?
And I'm not apologising for being blunt like this, because I've seen this shit the entire time I've been here. Asuka's just another name in a long list.
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Post by stoptheclocks on Apr 13, 2023 5:42:29 GMT -5
Finn Balor spent over a year back in NXT and just had a year-in-the-making Hell in a Cell match with Edge at Mania. Which he lost. Asuka is never going to be on a Mania card ever again, stop being so delusional that you think that WWE sees Asuka as anything but a waste of space, tv time and money. Fella, it's not real. It's like saying Alan Rickman should've been pissed off because he lost at the end of Die Hard. Being in a year-long storyline with many high profile matches ending in a huge match against one of the greatest of all time at WrestleMania is about as good as it gets. You're talking about being at the pinnacle of the industry. Asuka's spot wasn't as good as that, but she still won the Elimination Chamber this year and is generally presented as being one of the top 10-15 womens wrestlers in WWE history.
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Post by ultrakill on Apr 14, 2023 3:08:11 GMT -5
Which he lost. Asuka is never going to be on a Mania card ever again, stop being so delusional that you think that WWE sees Asuka as anything but a waste of space, tv time and money. Fella, it's not real. It's like saying Alan Rickman should've been pissed off because he lost at the end of Die Hard. Being in a year-long storyline with many high profile matches ending in a huge match against one of the greatest of all time at WrestleMania is about as good as it gets. You're talking about being at the pinnacle of the industry. Asuka's spot wasn't as good as that, but she still won the Elimination Chamber this year and is generally presented as being one of the top 10-15 womens wrestlers in WWE history. I would be pissed off if I debuted a character that many people wanted to see for years, only to job out in the first big title match and then replaced by someone else as the Japanese star that gets pushed. I know that what's shown on screens isn't real, but the disrespect that WWE is giving Asuka is real.
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Post by stoptheclocks on Apr 14, 2023 5:39:25 GMT -5
Fella, it's not real. It's like saying Alan Rickman should've been pissed off because he lost at the end of Die Hard. Being in a year-long storyline with many high profile matches ending in a huge match against one of the greatest of all time at WrestleMania is about as good as it gets. You're talking about being at the pinnacle of the industry. Asuka's spot wasn't as good as that, but she still won the Elimination Chamber this year and is generally presented as being one of the top 10-15 womens wrestlers in WWE history. I would be pissed off if I debuted a character that many people wanted to see for years, only to job out in the first big title match and then replaced by someone else as the Japanese star that gets pushed. I know that what's shown on screens isn't real, but the disrespect that WWE is giving Asuka is real. Job out ≠ lose one very competitive title match at WrestleMania.
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Post by ultrakill on Apr 16, 2023 20:06:49 GMT -5
Asuka is not booked on TV tomorrow. Again. Try and tell me that they view her highly in any sense. She worked the house show on the weekend too, so this has to be WWE being pissed off at her for some reason.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Apr 17, 2023 5:11:17 GMT -5
Asuka is not booked on TV tomorrow. Again. Try and tell me that they view her highly in any sense. She worked the house show on the weekend too, so this has to be WWE being pissed off at her for some reason. My dude, speaking as someone who considers Asuka possibly the single best female talent in WWE's history, and who rails against both major promotions for their treatment of women... you're really, really overreacting. Saying Asuka will never be on a Mania card again is just baseless speculation, which given she has lost every Mania match she has ever had is no more solid a prediction in 2023 then it was her first year in the company. And Asuka is one of the most protected women in WWE history. Bearing in mind the way Vince and WWE have treated women they actually don't care about, which consists of everything from burying them on TV to covering up when they're shoot assaulted, I think Asuka's probably doing fine? Asuka is a joshi who has had six Mania matches. How many women have that many, never mind non-white women?
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Post by King Devitt and the Woke Mob on Apr 17, 2023 8:56:02 GMT -5
I can see both sides of this one. I think Ultrakill has some merit in thinking that it feels like WWE is punishing Asuka (methinks for that tweet), but they (Vince) also see value in her, just not the value they (Vince) SHOULD see in her.
I'm not saying make her a world beater like she was in NXT, but she's still over after EVERYTHING they've done to her, she can do more than "gate keeper for the women we really want to push".
She's absolutely valued, but she's also marginalized in the eyes of Vince.
You don't bring your MDK character from your Joshi days to WWE, and then have it bitched out to Bianca Cena a couple months later. Yeah, she's probably happy for that WM payday, but she can also be pissed at how they squandered her, and her ultimate form. Both things can be true.
Having accolades, and being treated as legitimately 'meaningful and important' are two different things.
I totally get why Ultra is upset while they are wearing their heart on their sleeve. Which I can't say anything negative about because so many of us have done the same.
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Post by asuka007 on Apr 17, 2023 9:17:08 GMT -5
Yeah this would be less annoying if they didn’t bring back the murder clown gimmick. And it getting a huge reaction at the Rumble.
It feels pointless now really because she isn’t used any differently than before.
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Post by mistery on Apr 17, 2023 9:43:52 GMT -5
May is going to be an interesting month, since it's going to be "Asian American Pacific Islander" (AAPI) month, and NBC Universal is a huge part of it. They like to spotlight the various Asian stars and women who are part of their programming. So it's not unreasonable to think that they are going to pressure WWE to present women like Asuka, Iyo, Mia, etc better. ESPECIALLY since TV rights stuff is coming up, and WWE/Endeavor is going to bend over backwards to make sure they get the best deal possible, which includes brownnosing their current networks.
But yeah. I don't think there's much room for argument that WWE screwed up with the booking of this Mania match. Asuka was (and still is) more over than Bianca, who has grown completely stale as champion. But all WWE cares about are records. Arbitrary numbers that no fan really cares about at the end of the day. Because I doubt the casual fan is going to care in 5 years or so if Bianca won three Wrestlemanias in a row. But in the case of Asuka, fans are going to point out that despite having all of these "accolades" (most of which are hollow if you look even remotely into those accolades as she was a victim of circumstance for pretty much all of them), she's never won a Mania match, and hasn't been given a spotlight of her own.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2023 10:12:30 GMT -5
I am not gonna go as far as to say they hate her BUT they absoloutley do not value her anymore especially equivilent to her talent and this goes for all the Joshi women who have come into the company.
I have said this plenty if WWE booked the women specifically in relation to their talent this division for nearly the past decade would look so entirely different.
And they absoloutley not only left but burned all the money they left on the table by getting Asuka to bring back (something I believe for a long while she did not want to do as I think she once addressed it maybe on twitter I forget) this iconic version of herself that people that followed her career pre-WWE wanted and bigged it up like if she does this RIP every other woman on the roster.
But when it mattered most she lost at Mania again.
Asuka's main roster career can be summed as (MISSED OPPURTUNITY AFTER MISSED OPPURTUNITY) because every single time she gets going they cut her off for someone else and this has been a thing going back to the night she won the rumble when it was suppose to be her night but nope here is ole Ronnie.
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Post by XIII on Apr 17, 2023 10:41:00 GMT -5
Seriously, what the f*** is it about women wrestlers that turn some of you into actual f***ing lunatics? And I'm not apologising for being blunt like this, because I've seen this shit the entire time I've been here. Asuka's just another name in a long list. At least it hasn’t deep dived into Mickie or AJ Lee territory….yet.
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Post by A Little Doo Doo on Apr 17, 2023 15:01:34 GMT -5
ultrakill, were you a member here before? The tone of your posts reminds me of another Asuka fan that was here.
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Post by repomark on Apr 18, 2023 7:19:15 GMT -5
Maybe they are going to build this until she is 0-21 and beats Brock at WM54?
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Post by Nosnorb on Apr 18, 2023 8:11:57 GMT -5
Maybe they are going to build this until she is 0-21 and beats Brock at WM54? Nah, she's going to beat an absolute ham and egger at that years mania.
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