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Post by Fake Jesus on Apr 7, 2023 17:11:58 GMT -5
I said on Reddit that I didn't think 100k was beyond the realms as long as things like ticket costs were kept sensible, and I was basically laughed off the page. I don't think people in the U.S. realise how much of a captive audience they're dealing with here, fans will come out in droves for something like this since let's face it, how often do we get things like this? To put things into perspective MLB attracted a 60k audience when it came to the UK. That's a sport with basically no visibility here, little to no coverage and basically no cultural significance, yet it pulled in one of the biggest ever baseball crowds. If they get this right this could be one of the biggest wrestling attendances ever. Just playing the devil's advocate here, as I'm a huge AEW fan (generally), but let's say they do in fact do a huge number over there, given what all the details you just mentioned would it be grounds for bragging rights? Would WWE be looking at a similar attendance? A win is a win for whoever, respectively, just curious if any of the success could be directly attributed to AEW's product itself. WWE could absolutely have sold out Wembley with a WM or Summerslam. They've just chosen not to. Personally speaking I think WWE would be completely fine running PPVs in countries other than America, Canada and uh, Saudi Arabia, and I guess they've figured that out now too with their recent UK shows - but they just haven't done it. Untapped markets.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Apr 7, 2023 23:49:51 GMT -5
DAZN seemingly confirmed that the show will air in the evening locally with a start time stateside around 2 PM EST.
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Post by tuckerguy on Apr 8, 2023 0:48:38 GMT -5
Literally every person I know personally who likes wrestling, in IRELAND I'm stessing here, not even the UK, is talking about wanting to go to this. I have a few friends who've never watched AEW outside of maybe the first Double or Nothing and first episode of Dynamite wanting to go. This is going to be an odyssey, a pilgrimage, for UK, Irish and European wrestling fans. A celebration of all wrestling fandom, facilitated by AEW. I honestly think they sell out, I really do. The only buzz I've seen like this is when WWE announced Clash at the Castle, but that quickly died away when the ticket prices were made available. I'm telling you, if the prices are reasonable, they will sell this out without breaking a sweat. I said on Reddit that I didn't think 100k was beyond the realms as long as things like ticket costs were kept sensible, and I was basically laughed off the page. I don't think people in the U.S. realise how much of a captive audience they're dealing with here, fans will come out in droves for something like this since let's face it, how often do we get things like this? To put things into perspective MLB attracted a 60k audience when it came to the UK. That's a sport with basically no visibility here, little to no coverage and basically no cultural significance, yet it pulled in one of the biggest ever baseball crowds. If they get this right this could be one of the biggest wrestling attendances ever. Your mistake was going on r/squaredcircle. That place sucks for wrestling discussion that isn't WWE.
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Post by Viking Hall on Apr 8, 2023 2:01:03 GMT -5
I said on Reddit that I didn't think 100k was beyond the realms as long as things like ticket costs were kept sensible, and I was basically laughed off the page. I don't think people in the U.S. realise how much of a captive audience they're dealing with here, fans will come out in droves for something like this since let's face it, how often do we get things like this? To put things into perspective MLB attracted a 60k audience when it came to the UK. That's a sport with basically no visibility here, little to no coverage and basically no cultural significance, yet it pulled in one of the biggest ever baseball crowds. If they get this right this could be one of the biggest wrestling attendances ever. Just playing the devil's advocate here, as I'm a huge AEW fan (generally), but let's say they do in fact do a huge number over there, given what all the details you just mentioned would it be grounds for bragging rights? Would WWE be looking at a similar attendance? A win is a win for whoever, respectively, just curious if any of the success could be directly attributed to AEW's product itself. As others have said, if WWE had put the effort in and really gone to town with a huge show here I think they could have quite easily broken their attendance record long ago, for whatever reason, they've just chosen not to. Clash at the Castle did over 60k and Cardiff isn't a particular easy place to get to for most of the UK (compared to London), and was quite frankly extortionate in its ticket pricing. Even their bare bones house show tours regularly fill big arenas with little to no advertising, so in terms of bragging rights, I'm not really sure as it feels like something WWE has left it on the table. The only way there is really any sort of bragging rights is that if AEW do something incredible like 100k then that's basically as big as you can possibly go here. Doesn't matter how much money WWE throws at it, filling Wembley is basically as big as you can get in this country, so they'd never be able to out do them.
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Post by ssdrivin on Apr 8, 2023 3:46:02 GMT -5
Btw, what's the price range for AEW PPV tickets generally? Not sure, but given the pricing of Clash last year I'm not sure if that'd be helpful to know, because those tickets were expensive even by WrestleMania standards, so you couldn't really compare them sensibly to anything. That's not to say I think AEW are going to try and rinse UK/EU fans the same way, I think they'd be shooting themselves in both feet if they did, but it did show that it's not very reliable to just look at US ticket prices and assume similar here. Also there's a chance that Ticketmaster will do their own "dynamic pricing" meddling and crank the prices on AEW's behalf, which was apparently part of what happened with the Clash tickets.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Apr 8, 2023 8:56:42 GMT -5
The G1 will end two weeks before the Wembley (August 13th) so New Japan talent should have a good bit of time to rest and recover before this show.
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Post by polarbearpete on Apr 8, 2023 9:18:24 GMT -5
Any word on if it’s being broadcast in the States?
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Post by discoelysium on Apr 8, 2023 12:22:09 GMT -5
On the pre-register list. Can't believe they're running Wembley STADIUM. Anything over 40k would be a massive achievement. I'm on the met line so it's an easy journey for me, if anyone's about and fancies a drink or pre show chat let me know
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Post by kingoftheindies on Apr 8, 2023 12:24:15 GMT -5
On the pre-register list. Can't believe they're running Wembley STADIUM. Anything over 40k would be a massive achievement. I'm on the met line so it's an easy journey for me, if anyone's about and fancies a drink or pre show chat let me know Listening to Grapsody just have to point this out. WCW's biggest stand alone crowd was 41k At the Georgia Dome. So it's very realistic that AEW will have the biggest show in history by a non WWE ran American promotion
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Apr 8, 2023 12:28:38 GMT -5
I do like the strategy here of giving themselves four months to build it. It gives them a lot of time to see the data and see when they need to announce stuff and how much marketing they need to do.
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Post by darbus alan on Apr 8, 2023 15:18:53 GMT -5
On the pre-register list. Can't believe they're running Wembley STADIUM. Anything over 40k would be a massive achievement. I'm on the met line so it's an easy journey for me, if anyone's about and fancies a drink or pre show chat let me know Listening to Grapsody just have to point this out. WCW's biggest stand alone crowd was 41k At the Georgia Dome. So it's very realistic that AEW will have the biggest show in history by a non WWE ran American promotion I'm guessing we're not counting WCW's infamous North Korean show in that metric. Talk about a captive audience.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Apr 8, 2023 20:27:40 GMT -5
Lance Storm with a tweet that made me chuckle
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 8, 2023 22:46:38 GMT -5
Lance Storm with a tweet that made me chuckle The show will be a failure because we do not understand why Hangman and Mox hate each other
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Post by ssdrivin on Apr 9, 2023 3:22:39 GMT -5
Lance Storm with a tweet that made me chuckle I'm basically avoiding reading discussions of it, except here, because it's so damn toxic. I want to enjoy the anticipation, not read 53 pages of arguments between "fans" who seem to be around just to piss on the parade of the fans of the other company. What a miserable fandom this is, sometimes. Sure, I'm plenty negative about WWE sometimes, but because I want it to be better, not because I take delight in making people who enjoy it feel like I'm flaming their entertainment preferences. I'd hope WWE does well whenever they run a show here, even if I don't want to go, I can't imagine willingly sitting around taking every opportunity to call out how nobody's going to show up, the company's a joke, and anybody who thinks people want to go to it are morons. More wrestling shows = more better, whatever brand they have on the poster. If you care about wrestling as an artform and a business, you should want AEW to smash this thing, so we get more opportunities in the future.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Apr 9, 2023 3:25:00 GMT -5
The thing about these people is that there's nothing AEW can do to please them in this situation. They sell 60,000 tickets? Should have sold 80,000. They sell 80,000? Sure but they can't do it in the US.
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Post by Mr Mario Mario on Apr 9, 2023 3:32:51 GMT -5
I didn't get an email back after doing that pre-register thing. Did anyone else? I didn’t either so I tried to do it again and it told me they already have that email address on file so maybe try that just to confirm/reassure
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Post by ssdrivin on Apr 9, 2023 3:34:29 GMT -5
The thing about these people is that there's nothing AEW can do to please them in this situation. They sell 60,000 tickets? Should have sold 80,000. They sell 80,000? Sure but they can't do it in the US. Ah well, if they choose to spend their time being angry that WWE isn't the only game in town, let them fester. I went to my first indie show a while back. Yes it was small time, yes it was cheesier than a bag of Cheetos, but I wanted to show up and see it from the other end of the scale. It's all the same wrestling business and it's all the same talent, they all come from somewhere. WWE wouldn't have half the star wrestlers they have if it weren't for non-WWE promotions helping to train them and season them.
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Post by Jaws the Shark on Apr 9, 2023 5:21:07 GMT -5
I said on Reddit that I didn't think 100k was beyond the realms as long as things like ticket costs were kept sensible, and I was basically laughed off the page. I don't think people in the U.S. realise how much of a captive audience they're dealing with here, fans will come out in droves for something like this since let's face it, how often do we get things like this? To put things into perspective MLB attracted a 60k audience when it came to the UK. That's a sport with basically no visibility here, little to no coverage and basically no cultural significance, yet it pulled in one of the biggest ever baseball crowds. If they get this right this could be one of the biggest wrestling attendances ever. Your mistake was going on r/squaredcircle. That place sucks for wrestling discussion that isn't WWE. Correct, Reddit is full of unhinged Vincels who make objective discussion about wrestling that isn't WWE pretty much impossible.
Going back to the quoted post, despite British exceptionalism still very much existing, I think people forget that younger Brits (IE, genX and younger) still absolutely love Americana and it's really pervasive in our pop culture both subtly and explicitly, which doesn't really go the other way, IE America and British pop culture. People would probably have scoffed at the idea of the WWF running Wembley in 1992 because business was on the slide, but it still had tremendous pull on this side of the Atlantic even though it had only really appeared on TV in the mid-eighties. So I think this has the potential to do a lot better than some people think.
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Post by ssdrivin on Apr 9, 2023 5:42:26 GMT -5
Your mistake was going on r/squaredcircle. That place sucks for wrestling discussion that isn't WWE. Correct, Reddit is full of unhinged Vincels who make objective discussion about wrestling that isn't WWE pretty much impossible.
Going back to the quoted post, despite British exceptionalism still very much existing, I think people forget that younger Brits (IE, genX and younger) still absolutely love Americana and it's really pervasive in our pop culture both subtly and explicitly, which doesn't really go the other way, IE America and British pop culture. People would probably have scoffed at the idea of the WWF running Wembley in 1992 because business was on the slide, but it still had tremendous pull on this side of the Atlantic even though it had only really appeared on TV in the mid-eighties. So I think this has the potential to do a lot better than some people think.
I've never been quite able to pin down what it is, but there's just something about American wrestling/wrestlers that just have "it", somehow. It might be that British wrestlers sometimes try to imitate American stylings in a way that feels fake somehow, just like when Americans try to adopt British mannerisms and use British words. It just comes across as "try hard" and "cheesy", like the kid who thinks he's tough but sounds like a complete dweeb. I don't think that always has to be the case, when American companies lean into a British wrestler's Britishness I think it can work. I think Barrett, Regal, Pete Dunne, etc have proved that. Brawlers who express themselves in a way that fits British men, not trying to act American, with British words/phrases, British cultural context, and British ways of expressing emotion. But, just comparing US and UK wrestling as a whole, side by side, UK trying to do the US style of pyro and ballyhoo often does come across as the knockoff cheapo brand that you buy to try and look like you're cool but you can't afford the real thing. No disrespect to the British wrestlers, there's a lot of talent there, it's just a matter of presentation, and I don't think we've quite managed to make the American bravado and bombast our own thing yet.
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Post by Jaws the Shark on Apr 9, 2023 6:10:08 GMT -5
Correct, Reddit is full of unhinged Vincels who make objective discussion about wrestling that isn't WWE pretty much impossible.
Going back to the quoted post, despite British exceptionalism still very much existing, I think people forget that younger Brits (IE, genX and younger) still absolutely love Americana and it's really pervasive in our pop culture both subtly and explicitly, which doesn't really go the other way, IE America and British pop culture. People would probably have scoffed at the idea of the WWF running Wembley in 1992 because business was on the slide, but it still had tremendous pull on this side of the Atlantic even though it had only really appeared on TV in the mid-eighties. So I think this has the potential to do a lot better than some people think.
I've never been quite able to pin down what it is, but there's just something about American wrestling/wrestlers that just have "it", somehow. It might be that British wrestlers sometimes try to imitate American stylings in a way that feels fake somehow, just like when Americans try to adopt British mannerisms and use British words. It just comes across as "try hard" and "cheesy", like the kid who thinks he's tough but sounds like a complete dweeb. I don't think that always has to be the case, when American companies lean into a British wrestler's Britishness I think it can work. I think Barrett, Regal, Pete Dunne, etc have proved that. Brawlers who express themselves in a way that fits British men, not trying to act American, with British words/phrases, British cultural context, and British ways of expressing emotion. But, just comparing US and UK wrestling as a whole, side by side, UK trying to do the US style of pyro and ballyhoo often does come across as the knockoff cheapo brand that you buy to try and look like you're cool but you can't afford the real thing. No disrespect to the British wrestlers, there's a lot of talent there, it's just a matter of presentation, and I don't think we've quite managed to make the American bravado and bombast our own thing yet. Yeah, it's basically a cheap and rubbish imitation. You see it in legitimate sports as well, every English sport has felt the need to try to adopt aspects of American sporting culture, but without understanding how and why it works in America so it just comes across as forced.
British wrestling's identity is weird, it got stuck in the seventies until the nineties, and then was in such a mess that promoters decided it was easier to just rip off the American style, so for ages it didn't have its own identity apart from a really anachronistic one. I think the 2010s indy companies managed to actually forge their own identity while adopting the successful bits of American wrestling, but they always had a ceiling and were never going to crack the mainstream because they tapped into aspects of British pop culture that were outside of the mainstream. But to most people on the street, British wrestling is still fat lads in ill-fitting tights on Saturday afternoons and I'm not sure it's going to escape from this for the foreseeable.
I've probably veered off a bit there but hopefully you understand what I'm getting at.
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