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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jun 27, 2023 8:39:18 GMT -5
Yeah, you can absolutely still have Will on the show but like Mothman says, doesn't really make sense to hold it in AEW without the right context say, if he signed with AEW after his own contract expires.
Mark Davis should be back soon so if CMFTR/Hungbucks doesn't happen, have United Empire take them on instead.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jun 27, 2023 11:02:28 GMT -5
I would rather Ospreay do anything but main event. I know he will be on the show if he isn't hurt but please close out with something I actually want to see
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Post by polarbearpete on Jun 27, 2023 11:06:38 GMT -5
Ideally you would have a much more important title contender than Adam Cole for this show. I’d say Omega-MJF but I don’t think they’re putting Omega in the world title picture until he re-signs.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jun 27, 2023 11:43:30 GMT -5
Ideally you would have a much more important title contender than Adam Cole for this show. I’d say Omega-MJF but I don’t think they’re putting Omega in the world title picture until he re-signs. Much more important than the most over babyface not already on a storyline whose been front and centre in most marketing material? I mean, I’d like to know who that’d be besides Omega. EDIT: Like, the blind tag tournament angle is clearly setting up that this is the match for one of the big shows.
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Post by Dub H on Jun 27, 2023 11:53:18 GMT -5
Ideally you would have a much more important title contender than Adam Cole for this show. I’d say Omega-MJF but I don’t think they’re putting Omega in the world title picture until he re-signs. Its very likely gonna be Punk.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jun 27, 2023 12:11:11 GMT -5
Ideally you would have a much more important title contender than Adam Cole for this show. I’d say Omega-MJF but I don’t think they’re putting Omega in the world title picture until he re-signs. Much more important than the most over babyface not already on a storyline whose been front and centre in most marketing material? I mean, I’d like to know who that’d be besides Omega. EDIT: Like, the blind tag tournament angle is clearly setting up that this is the match for one of the big shows. Cole, to me at least, is not really on that main event tier level for the biggest show they’ve ever had. Especially if they end up streaming this on Max, I’d think they would want a bigger headliner in there with MJF. I do think Cole is what they are likely going with, though.
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Jun 27, 2023 12:14:03 GMT -5
Much more important than the most over babyface not already on a storyline whose been front and centre in most marketing material? I mean, I’d like to know who that’d be besides Omega. EDIT: Like, the blind tag tournament angle is clearly setting up that this is the match for one of the big shows. Cole, to me at least, is not really on that main event tier level for the biggest show they’ve ever had. Especially if they end up streaming this on Max, I’d think they would want a bigger headliner in there with MJF. I do think Cole is what they are likely going with, though. Cole’s likely getting his title shot at All Out a week later.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jun 27, 2023 12:16:27 GMT -5
Cole, to me at least, is not really on that main event tier level for the biggest show they’ve ever had. Especially if they end up streaming this on Max, I’d think they would want a bigger headliner in there with MJF. I do think Cole is what they are likely going with, though. Cole’s likely getting his title shot at All Out a week later. Then who would MJF be facing at All In?
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jun 27, 2023 12:20:30 GMT -5
Cole, to me at least, is not really on that main event tier level for the biggest show they’ve ever had. Especially if they end up streaming this on Max, I’d think they would want a bigger headliner in there with MJF. I do think Cole is what they are likely going with, though. Cole’s likely getting his title shot at All Out a week later. Right, I’ll modify my strategy to solve this; Cole/MJF for All In Punk/MJF for All Out in Chicago Punk/Omega for Full Gear There, that makes the most sense. Especially since Cole was the one to announce the Wembley show in the first place, he’s getting a prominent spot and there’s no real reason this build isn’t leading to that match.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jun 27, 2023 14:12:49 GMT -5
I likely just wouldn't put MJF on this card honestly. The tickets have already sold and trying to build him up for two feuds having their blowoffs a week apart from each other just sounds like a total mess. ... Mostly because having two big PPVs a week apart from each other is an unfathomably stupid idea.
That or just stick him in some kind of big tag match on this show leading into All Out.
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Post by ssdrivin on Jun 27, 2023 14:33:53 GMT -5
I likely just wouldn't put MJF on this card honestly. The tickets have already sold and trying to build him up for two feuds having their blowoffs a week apart from each other just sounds like a total mess. ... Mostly because having two big PPVs a week apart from each other is an unfathomably stupid idea. That or just stick him in some kind of big tag match on this show leading into All Out.
I really don't know how you could have a show this big without him being on it in a prominent role of some kind, unless he were legit injured or there was some massive paperwork issue.
He's one of the biggest guys they've got, you can't run your biggest show ever (and debut show in a hot market, in the biggest venue in the country) and not bring your absolute A-game.
Holding guys back and running the thing with a bunch of B-team guys and some token British cameos would suck after all the hype/advertising/ticket sales. You've gotta show what AEW is.
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Post by EZ: Broken Bae on Jun 27, 2023 14:36:13 GMT -5
I'd argue that Ospreay vs. Omega 3 doesn't even make sense at all on a fully AEW show. Like, the entire story here is that Kenny left New Japan and Ospreay aspired to step into his shoes as the top gaijin. Him getting the win over Kenny at a joint show put the message that yes, he has reached Kenny's level and become that guy, right in front of even AEW fans to put him over. But that story doesn't gain anything from resolving in an AEW ring. The stakes of New Japan's main event scene and the legacy Kenny left there mean nothing for most AEW fans, the most it can ever be is a really really good match. I'm sure they'll want Ospreay at All In but I'd put him against like Malakai Black or something for the IWGP Us title, ahve just a really big wrestle match that doesn't need a ton of story behind it and gets him on the card in a noteworthy spot. I agree which is why, while amazing, I find the layout of the 2nd match weird. At least in the context of a trilogy. The 1st was Ospreay not being at Kenny's level and being brutalized to the point you actually felt sympathy when he made a comeback. He was humbled and had to scrape back to get the rematch. At FD he had to work heel due to being in Canada, but the Callis/interference didn't land for me - especially when he was successful in being more aggressive without him. I get that it was more about him being desperate to win but it turned back the tide of sympathy from the first encounter. I must've missed a Dynamite or some segment because when did Callis align with him anyway? It felt so out of left field.
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Post by KME on Jun 27, 2023 15:14:49 GMT -5
I'd argue that Ospreay vs. Omega 3 doesn't even make sense at all on a fully AEW show. Like, the entire story here is that Kenny left New Japan and Ospreay aspired to step into his shoes as the top gaijin. Him getting the win over Kenny at a joint show put the message that yes, he has reached Kenny's level and become that guy, right in front of even AEW fans to put him over. But that story doesn't gain anything from resolving in an AEW ring. The stakes of New Japan's main event scene and the legacy Kenny left there mean nothing for most AEW fans, the most it can ever be is a really really good match. I'm sure they'll want Ospreay at All In but I'd put him against like Malakai Black or something for the IWGP Us title, ahve just a really big wrestle match that doesn't need a ton of story behind it and gets him on the card in a noteworthy spot. I agree which is why, while amazing, I find the layout of the 2nd match weird. At least in the context of a trilogy. The 1st was Ospreay not being at Kenny's level and being brutalized to the point you actually felt sympathy when he made a comeback. He was humbled and had to scrape back to get the rematch. At FD he had to work heel due to being in Canada, but the Callis/interference didn't land for me - especially when he was successful in being more aggressive without him. I get that it was more about him being desperate to win but it turned back the tide of sympathy from the first encounter. I must've missed a Dynamite or some segment because when did Callis align with him anyway? It felt so out of left field. Callis offered his services and protection on the go home Dynamite, definitely wasn't out of left field. The Callis thing you can look at both ways in storyline, you can say Ospreay didn't need him or whatever so he shouldn't have got involved but there's the other side of it that Callis wouldn't give a shit if he needed him, wanted him, whatever, he was costing Omega that match no matter what, he wasn't even going to let being thrown out stop him. I think it sets up the third match perfectly tbh, he finally beat Kenny but didn't do it on his own, so will get the chance to win it definitively and have the torch passed officially somewhen down the road, I would assume at WK rather than All In. I think Kenny takes on Takeshita at All In, most logical thing since he's the closest person associated with Callis who just screwed him over for like the third time, or maybe some form of Golden Lovers match.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jun 27, 2023 15:27:10 GMT -5
I think Kenny takes on Takeshita at All In, most logical thing since he's the closest person associated with Callis who just screwed him over for like the third time, or maybe some form of Golden Lovers match. I mean, I’d complain that my card would be messed up but either scenario would allow me to see Kota Ibushi live so it’d kill those dead.
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Jun 27, 2023 19:03:24 GMT -5
I agree which is why, while amazing, I find the layout of the 2nd match weird. At least in the context of a trilogy. The 1st was Ospreay not being at Kenny's level and being brutalized to the point you actually felt sympathy when he made a comeback. He was humbled and had to scrape back to get the rematch. At FD he had to work heel due to being in Canada, but the Callis/interference didn't land for me - especially when he was successful in being more aggressive without him. I get that it was more about him being desperate to win but it turned back the tide of sympathy from the first encounter. I must've missed a Dynamite or some segment because when did Callis align with him anyway? It felt so out of left field. Callis offered his services and protection on the go home Dynamite, definitely wasn't out of left field. The Callis thing you can look at both ways in storyline, you can say Ospreay didn't need him or whatever so he shouldn't have got involved but there's the other side of it that Callis wouldn't give a shit if he needed him, wanted him, whatever, he was costing Omega that match no matter what, he wasn't even going to let being thrown out stop him. I think it sets up the third match perfectly tbh, he finally beat Kenny but didn't do it on his own, so will get the chance to win it definitively and have the torch passed officially somewhen down the road, I would assume at WK rather than All In. I think Kenny takes on Takeshita at All In, most logical thing since he's the closest person associated with Callis who just screwed him over for like the third time, or maybe some form of Golden Lovers match. Maybe Golden Lovers vs. Takeshita and whoever Callis recruits second for his anti-Elite "family".
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Post by Kalmia on Jun 27, 2023 19:15:11 GMT -5
"Road to Wembley."
I hope they keep using that phrase because it's exactly the right phrase to use during the build. They should do a huge tournament involving every indie promotion they can and hold the finals at Wembley. Get the winner to go up the steps to lift a copy of the FA Cup.
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Post by Mr Mario Mario on Jun 27, 2023 19:39:37 GMT -5
People who I need to defo be on the card
The Elite so I can sing along to wayward son
Jericho so I can sing along to Judas
Daniel Garcia so I can do the dance
The Acclaimed just because
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Jun 27, 2023 19:48:14 GMT -5
"Road to Wembley." I hope they keep using that phrase because it's exactly the right phrase to use during the build. They should do a huge tournament involving every indie promotion they can and hold the finals at Wembley. Get the winner to go up the steps to lift a copy of the FA Cup. Adam from partsFUNknown had a great idea for something to do at Wembley in his "How I'd Book CM Punk's AEW Return" video, where MJF defends his title in an "Intercontinental AEW Championship Challenge". Basically, he compares it to Champions League football's two-leg playoff rounds. The idea is that there's two 30-minute Iron Man matches -- one at All In, the other at All Out, and whoever has the most falls at the end of the two legs wins the title.
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Post by Kalmia on Jun 27, 2023 20:05:17 GMT -5
"Road to Wembley." I hope they keep using that phrase because it's exactly the right phrase to use during the build. They should do a huge tournament involving every indie promotion they can and hold the finals at Wembley. Get the winner to go up the steps to lift a copy of the FA Cup. Adam from partsFUNknown had a great idea for something to do at Wembley in his "How I'd Book CM Punk's AEW Return" video, where MJF defends his title in an "Intercontinental AEW Championship Challenge". Basically, he compares it to Champions League football's two-leg playoff rounds. The idea is that there's two 30-minute Iron Man matches -- one at All In, the other at All Out, and whoever has the most falls at the end of the two legs wins the title. Sounds fun. As long as a draw results in a penalty shoot out.
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Post by Fake Jesus on Jun 27, 2023 21:14:47 GMT -5
Tony Khan is the world's most obvious booker. He now has two shows that will probably have world title matches back to back, so one of them will feel like a foregone conclusion.
One is the biggest show he has or probably will ever run.
The other may feature half a mil Phil in his sleazy hometown that AEW runs often enough for Khan to know the arena popcorn guys by name.
Can we guess which of these will get the no-hope challenger treatment
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