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Post by Jindrak Mark on Jul 14, 2023 11:51:55 GMT -5
I understand they don't want to miss out on the PPV money but it would be interesting to see an event like this as a huge TV special. As their biggest show ever could it do over 2 million viewers on TBS/TNT?
Wrestlemania also will realistically never be on TV but if they promoted the hell out of it as this once in a lifetime mega TV event on Fox/NBC could they do 5 million+ viewers in this day and age?
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jul 14, 2023 12:03:02 GMT -5
I understand they don't want to miss out on the PPV money but it would be interesting to see an event like this as a huge TV special. As their biggest show ever could it do over 2 million viewers on TBS/TNT? Wrestlemania also will realistically never be on TV but if they promoted the hell out of it as this once in a lifetime mega TV event on Fox/NBC could they do 5 million+ viewers in this day and age? Think it comes down to what the networks are prioritizing for around that time slot along with then having to cater around commercial breaks along with everything else that goes into doing an international show. I’m not 100% about what usually competes on American TV on Sundays when there’s no real sport kicking off but taking up potentially 3 to 4 hours of TV for something that you have to extensively plan more than usual doesn’t seem like a risk most networks can take. Having said that, frankly the bigger priority is getting it on ITV4 for that day. British TV on a Sunday is very notorious for just repeating stuff that’s been on across the week along with a lot of fillers and reruns and with how well Clash at the Castle did for being on regular BT Sport instead of PPV, that seems to be a better risk that can be taken.
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Post by Fake Jesus on Jul 14, 2023 12:48:33 GMT -5
I understand they don't want to miss out on the PPV money but it would be interesting to see an event like this as a huge TV special. As their biggest show ever could it do over 2 million viewers on TBS/TNT? Wrestlemania also will realistically never be on TV but if they promoted the hell out of it as this once in a lifetime mega TV event on Fox/NBC could they do 5 million+ viewers in this day and age? bro
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Post by firsttimelongtime on Jul 14, 2023 12:51:53 GMT -5
I don’t think they are going to try and charge full price for two pay per views back to back. Maybe they do something like offer both shows for $75 or something. Am I from the future?
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Post by Mid-Carder on Jul 14, 2023 13:22:09 GMT -5
They could ordinarily split Dynamite and Colision and do a PPV each with separate stories when they're that close to each other but it wouldn't work with All In being so much bigger. It also wouldn't be fair that some get to be on the history-making show and some are on the ordinary PPV.
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Post by Chiral on Jul 14, 2023 14:13:31 GMT -5
I wish they just moved All Out a month back, it'd be OK if it's not on Labor Day weekend, I don't get doing two PPVs in one week like this even if there's gonna be a discount bundle.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jul 14, 2023 16:29:57 GMT -5
That stinks if it’s just a regular $40-50 PPV. Thought they would want to get this event as much visibility as possible as a sort of way of expanding their fan base.
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Post by firsttimelongtime on Jul 14, 2023 23:17:21 GMT -5
Think All In being a PPV solidifies the main event as CM Punk vs MJF.
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Post by David-Arquette was in WCW 2000 on Jul 15, 2023 4:41:06 GMT -5
I understand they don't want to miss out on the PPV money but it would be interesting to see an event like this as a huge TV special. As their biggest show ever could it do over 2 million viewers on TBS/TNT? Wrestlemania also will realistically never be on TV but if they promoted the hell out of it as this once in a lifetime mega TV event on Fox/NBC could they do 5 million+ viewers in this day and age? Think it comes down to what the networks are prioritizing for around that time slot along with then having to cater around commercial breaks along with everything else that goes into doing an international show. I’m not 100% about what usually competes on American TV on Sundays when there’s no real sport kicking off but taking up potentially 3 to 4 hours of TV for something that you have to extensively plan more than usual doesn’t seem like a risk most networks can take. Having said that, frankly the bigger priority is getting it on ITV4 for that day. British TV on a Sunday is very notorious for just repeating stuff that’s been on across the week along with a lot of fillers and reruns and with how well Clash at the Castle did for being on regular BT Sport instead of PPV, that seems to be a better risk that can be taken. It being on ITV4 would be absolutely brilliant. I really don't watch full episodes of AEW, despite having the ITVX app, but I would definitely watch this show if it was broadcast on ITV. It would feel like a major event.
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Post by 4real on Jul 15, 2023 5:13:11 GMT -5
I understand they don't want to miss out on the PPV money but it would be interesting to see an event like this as a huge TV special. As their biggest show ever could it do over 2 million viewers on TBS/TNT? Wrestlemania also will realistically never be on TV but if they promoted the hell out of it as this once in a lifetime mega TV event on Fox/NBC could they do 5 million+ viewers in this day and age? Think it comes down to what the networks are prioritizing for around that time slot along with then having to cater around commercial breaks along with everything else that goes into doing an international show. I’m not 100% about what usually competes on American TV on Sundays when there’s no real sport kicking off but taking up potentially 3 to 4 hours of TV for something that you have to extensively plan more than usual doesn’t seem like a risk most networks can take. Having said that, frankly the bigger priority is getting it on ITV4 for that day. British TV on a Sunday is very notorious for just repeating stuff that’s been on across the week along with a lot of fillers and reruns and with how well Clash at the Castle did for being on regular BT Sport instead of PPV, that seems to be a better risk that can be taken. Pretty sure ITV 4 already has a Bond film or a Jurassic Park film scheduled for that Sunday. And every Sunday after.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jul 15, 2023 6:58:33 GMT -5
Think it comes down to what the networks are prioritizing for around that time slot along with then having to cater around commercial breaks along with everything else that goes into doing an international show. I’m not 100% about what usually competes on American TV on Sundays when there’s no real sport kicking off but taking up potentially 3 to 4 hours of TV for something that you have to extensively plan more than usual doesn’t seem like a risk most networks can take. Having said that, frankly the bigger priority is getting it on ITV4 for that day. British TV on a Sunday is very notorious for just repeating stuff that’s been on across the week along with a lot of fillers and reruns and with how well Clash at the Castle did for being on regular BT Sport instead of PPV, that seems to be a better risk that can be taken. Pretty sure ITV 4 already has a Bond film or a Jurassic Park film scheduled for that Sunday. And every Sunday after. I mean, why do you think negotiations have gone so long? It wasn't BR/Max, it was trying to give ITV4 enough money to not air Dr No for one Sunday in the year.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Jul 15, 2023 8:52:42 GMT -5
Think it comes down to what the networks are prioritizing for around that time slot along with then having to cater around commercial breaks along with everything else that goes into doing an international show. I’m not 100% about what usually competes on American TV on Sundays when there’s no real sport kicking off but taking up potentially 3 to 4 hours of TV for something that you have to extensively plan more than usual doesn’t seem like a risk most networks can take. Having said that, frankly the bigger priority is getting it on ITV4 for that day. British TV on a Sunday is very notorious for just repeating stuff that’s been on across the week along with a lot of fillers and reruns and with how well Clash at the Castle did for being on regular BT Sport instead of PPV, that seems to be a better risk that can be taken. Pretty sure ITV 4 already has a Bond film or a Jurassic Park film scheduled for that Sunday. And every Sunday after. That's not fair. There will also be a Harry Potter film
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Post by polarbearpete on Jul 15, 2023 10:24:07 GMT -5
I understand they don't want to miss out on the PPV money but it would be interesting to see an event like this as a huge TV special. As their biggest show ever could it do over 2 million viewers on TBS/TNT? Wrestlemania also will realistically never be on TV but if they promoted the hell out of it as this once in a lifetime mega TV event on Fox/NBC could they do 5 million+ viewers in this day and age? Yeah I think this is the type of show, in a giant stadium, that you would want to get as many eyeballs on as possible in order to grow the company moving forward, even if it leaves some immediate PPV money on the table. One of the reasons WWE may be hot right now is because of how many more people have access to and have sampled their PPVs on Peacock.
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Post by Kalmia on Jul 15, 2023 11:06:36 GMT -5
If Max doesn't have the capability for live shows and neither TNT or TBS want to give a chunk of Sunday afternoon programming, what else can AEW do? I guess they could try something out of the box like airing it on YouTube for free, but I don't think that will be bring many new eyes either. Would people turn out for a tape-delayed PPV on Max? Would WBD even want a tape-delayed PPV on Max?
Honestly, I think they're better off charging money for it. Do a deal with All Out and make some more cash.
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Post by darbus alan on Jul 15, 2023 13:02:18 GMT -5
They probably should've just canceled All Out entirely this year, but I guess either they couldn't pull out so easily after making the commitment to the Now! Arena or Chicago is too reliable a safety net for the company that they didn't want to risk poisoning that relationship.
Given WBD's own incompetence, I'm sadly not surprised that Max can't handle streaming of live events.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jul 15, 2023 14:24:30 GMT -5
If Max doesn't have the capability for live shows and neither TNT or TBS want to give a chunk of Sunday afternoon programming, what else can AEW do? I guess they could try something out of the box like airing it on YouTube for free, but I don't think that will be bring many new eyes either. Would people turn out for a tape-delayed PPV on Max? Would WBD even want a tape-delayed PPV on Max? Honestly, I think they're better off charging money for it. Do a deal with All Out and make some more cash. Air it free on BR/Live like they did for the original Fyter Fest. Also, Max has aired live soccer games this year so I’m not sure about that infrastructure reasoning given by Zarian.
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Post by Kalmia on Jul 15, 2023 15:45:41 GMT -5
If Max doesn't have the capability for live shows and neither TNT or TBS want to give a chunk of Sunday afternoon programming, what else can AEW do? I guess they could try something out of the box like airing it on YouTube for free, but I don't think that will be bring many new eyes either. Would people turn out for a tape-delayed PPV on Max? Would WBD even want a tape-delayed PPV on Max? Honestly, I think they're better off charging money for it. Do a deal with All Out and make some more cash. Air it free on BR/Live like they did for the original Fyter Fest. Also, Max has aired live soccer games this year so I’m not sure about that infrastructure reasoning given by Zarian. I mean, the argument for putting it on Max was to get new viewers. You're not going to get new viewers on Bleacher Report. For the fans it's best to have it free, but for AEW, if you're not going to get a wider audience, you may as well charge for it and make some extra money. I have zero idea about Max's technical capabilities so I'll bow to everyone else's knowledge on that one.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jul 15, 2023 15:51:13 GMT -5
I mean, the argument for putting it on Max was to get new viewers. You're not going to get new viewers on Bleacher Report. For the fans it's best to have it free, but for AEW, if you're not going to get a wider audience, you may as well charge for it and make some extra money. I have zero idea about Max's technical capabilities so I'll bow to everyone else's knowledge on that one. My argument about technical structure is that there's a difference between having consistent games that people can watch and know when they're on to expecting an infrastructure to hold up if you're getting a bunch of new wrestling fans on board and watching the show at the same time. You'd basically be beta testing it on the fly in the same way Peacock did for the early WWE shows on there. Like, it's not ideal, but if they're not willing to do that, you'd go for the thing that has done it before even if it doesn't work the best. And there's no reason to not try to make money from the show considering the ticket demand and promotion for said show.
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Post by johncasey on Jul 15, 2023 16:20:16 GMT -5
For the UK, they could do a 2 hour delay on ITV 4, that way they can insert advert breaks at convenient times.
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Post by firsttimelongtime on Jul 16, 2023 12:39:46 GMT -5
Think All In being a PPV solidifies the main event as CM Punk vs MJF. Definitely don’t think this anymore. Maybe we get Punk vs Starks rematch at All In with the winner getting the champion at All Out?
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