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Post by Lizuka #BLM on May 27, 2023 18:38:48 GMT -5
Please God no. Allow shit to happen outside of the month of April and just f*** all year long title reigns forever. So what's the best way to book this title? Do we want 1-2 month runs max? This use to be what the mid card titles were. Quick and short reigns while the world title had longer reigns. If the title changes hands too often, will it hurt this established new title? Or having 3-4 different champions by Mania 40 would be okay? If this title was established, sure, we can flip flop it more often. But being a freshly born title, if it changes hands too often in its first few months of existence, will it hurt it's crediability? I mean, I don't really care about establishing the belt so much as just having a show where things actually f***ing happen instead of being like the rest of wrestling in 2023 where every title reign has to be a bloated grinding chore where no outcome is ever in doubt. In a world with Roman and Gunther and up until today Bianca and MJF and Jade all being boring as shit the title could change hands every 20 minutes and I'd be down for it by comparison.
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Post by schma on May 27, 2023 23:11:43 GMT -5
Please God no. Allow shit to happen outside of the month of April and just f*** all year long title reigns forever. So what's the best way to book this title? Do we want 1-2 month runs max? This use to be what the mid card titles were. Quick and short reigns while the world title had longer reigns. If the title changes hands too often, will it hurt this established new title? Or having 3-4 different champions by Mania 40 would be okay? If this title was established, sure, we can flip flop it more often. But being a freshly born title, if it changes hands too often in its first few months of existence, will it hurt it's crediability? Long reigns can be good but we're currently in the middle of 3-4 long reigns. Another one also just serves to drive home that the only shows that ever matter are Wrestlemania and Summerslam and there's no point tuning in at any other time because nothing important will happen. In this context a long reign would be detrimental because it would just get lost in the shuffle.
Although, that might be appropriate for the consolation prize belt.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 27, 2023 23:50:33 GMT -5
Expected win. They need to just have this be a fighting champion kind of belt, a bit less than the IC belt, but they're really gonna need to do a lot to make this title mean f***ing anything
This is gonna be a long, potentially impossible road, but at least Seth will try and sell the hell out of it
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Post by Nosnorb on May 28, 2023 1:38:39 GMT -5
Seth was the right choice. Seth, apart from Lashley, was the only choice to not make this look like a consolation belt, being the only dude to have actually got one over on Roman in the last 3 years.
Congrats to Seth, dude should make a fine champion.
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on May 28, 2023 2:09:49 GMT -5
I'm so glad having so many long title reigns in both companies happening at once has had people turn on the concept lol. For so long everyone was saying "oh frequent title changes cheapens the title" and I was almost alone in saying "frequent title changes make the division look competitive".
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Post by Super Duper Dragunov on May 28, 2023 2:42:13 GMT -5
Seth was the right choice. Seth, apart from Lashley, was the only choice to not make this look like a consolation belt, being the only dude to have actually got one over on Roman in the last 3 years. Congrats to Seth, dude should make a fine champion. Agreed. Let him be a fighting champion, and put on good matches, and the title will be elevated. And while I agree with most of the long title reigns people are irritated by I still say GUNTHER's is the only one that I'm okay with. That record NEEDS to be broken (and should've been broken by Miz a long time ago) but I'll take GUNTHER being the one to do it. Plus, at least his matches are enjoyable to watch. I hope Rollins gets a chance to give some shine to the title, and vice versa.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on May 28, 2023 3:18:16 GMT -5
I'm so glad having so many long title reigns in both companies happening at once has had people turn on the concept lol. For so long everyone was saying "oh frequent title changes cheapens the title" and I was almost alone in saying "frequent title changes make the division look competitive". The issue seemed to be reconciling that with the hatred of “50/50 booking”, which seems to go against the idea of anyone being able to beat anyone else at any given time. Like, if you want a competitive division, your win loss records are gonna have to lean closer to 50% than 0% or 100%.
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Post by SneakMan on May 28, 2023 10:37:16 GMT -5
Why does every title reign these days need to be either a year+ slog or a 1-2 month pointless diversion? Let Rollins hold the belt til Survivor Series - 6 or so months is a perfectly decent length for a title reign, would let him get in a good number of defenses, and having a world title change at Survivor Series (or the Raw after if WWE still cares about the brand warfare gimmick for the PPV) would go a long way towards making that time of the year not feel like pointless wheel-spinning.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on May 28, 2023 11:20:13 GMT -5
Seth was the right choice. Seth, apart from Lashley, was the only choice to not make this look like a consolation belt, being the only dude to have actually got one over on Roman in the last 3 years. Congrats to Seth, dude should make a fine champion. Agreed. Let him be a fighting champion, and put on good matches, and the title will be elevated. And while I agree with most of the long title reigns people are irritated by I still say GUNTHER's is the only one that I'm okay with. That record NEEDS to be broken (and should've been broken by Miz a long time ago) but I'll take GUNTHER being the one to do it. Plus, at least his matches are enjoyable to watch. I hope Rollins gets a chance to give some shine to the title, and vice versa. GUNTHER’s reign is in that spot where he’s not just squashing everyone in short order. His opponents get to look good in the match and it’s believable that they could get a win.
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Post by msc on May 28, 2023 11:37:10 GMT -5
Gunther's also probably coming to a end sooner than later.
But yeah, Seth can be champ for a bit but share the gold.
If I was booking, I'd have Drew beat him at MITB.
This might be the most obvious post since we had that Alex Riley fan on the forum, I know, I know...
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Post by DSR on May 28, 2023 11:54:56 GMT -5
I'm so glad having so many long title reigns in both companies happening at once has had people turn on the concept lol. For so long everyone was saying "oh frequent title changes cheapens the title" and I was almost alone in saying "frequent title changes make the division look competitive". Yeah, you don't want the title to get passed to every goober on the roster, but having like a core group of people in an elite tier that are seen as equals and could win or lose to one another on any given night has always been more exciting to me than one guy holding a title forever.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2023 12:06:44 GMT -5
I am always of the mindset that if you are gonna strap up someone for the long haul then that person had better be booked and IMO capable of making everyone else better...that IMO should always be the purpose a super long title reign.
It is why Gunthers reign depsite being lengthy is not some tiresome reign because he makes everyone he faces better in super competitive matches that you believe his challenger can win.
It is why IMO Io's NXT title reign is still the best WWE womens title reign in recent memory because she made everyone better through highly competitive matches.
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Post by Chuck Conry on May 28, 2023 15:28:04 GMT -5
So far on WWE's site they didn't keep the old world title history with it.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on May 29, 2023 22:11:58 GMT -5
Interesting decision to have the belt's first real night of existing just see it treated like it's completely old hat and not bother trying to set up any kind of angle for it.
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Post by levimcdaniel on May 29, 2023 23:58:21 GMT -5
The only guys I would like to see take the title from him are on smackdown right now. Edge or AJ Styles.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on May 30, 2023 0:10:10 GMT -5
Interesting decision to have the belt's first real night of existing just see it treated like it's completely old hat and not bother trying to set up any kind of angle for it. From afar (at work) it seemed like they were setting up Dominik for the shot? Which wouldn’t be the craziest idea, to be honest. One of your most over faces against one of your most over heels in England, so you’d know the crowd would be right into it.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on May 30, 2023 0:16:40 GMT -5
Interesting decision to have the belt's first real night of existing just see it treated like it's completely old hat and not bother trying to set up any kind of angle for it. From afar (at work) it seemed like they were setting up Dominik for the shot? Which wouldn’t be the craziest idea, to be honest. One of your most over faces against one of your most over heels in England, so you’d know the crowd would be right into it. I'd be down for that for sure though it didn't really give me that kind of vibe.
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Post by Super Duper Dragunov on May 30, 2023 1:05:17 GMT -5
I am always of the mindset that if you are gonna strap up someone for the long haul then that person had better be booked and IMO capable of making everyone else better...that IMO should always be the purpose a super long title reign. It is why Gunthers reign depsite being lengthy is not some tiresome reign because he makes everyone he faces better in super competitive matches that you believe his challenger can win. It is why IMO Io's NXT title reign is still the best WWE womens title reign in recent memory because she made everyone better through highly competitive matches. Exactly. To complain about GUNTHER's reign and lump him in with everyone else just because "is long" misses the entire point of the man doing exactly what a champion should do, put on competitive matches, and make your opponents look great doing it. He's the only lengthy title reign being done right at the moment. His stock has risen while being champion due to the work he's put in, and his challengers have all looked great in defeat. It's win win.
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Post by The Rick Jericho on May 30, 2023 20:36:59 GMT -5
Back to your normally scheduled Rollins!
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Post by Mozenrath on May 31, 2023 5:22:39 GMT -5
I'm so glad having so many long title reigns in both companies happening at once has had people turn on the concept lol. For so long everyone was saying "oh frequent title changes cheapens the title" and I was almost alone in saying "frequent title changes make the division look competitive". Right. You do not want to be like WCW's final years, but there are times when a 2-3 month reign is absolutely plenty.
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