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Post by thechase on May 26, 2023 13:28:27 GMT -5
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Post by darbus alan on May 26, 2023 14:08:18 GMT -5
At least this was a consensual affair as opposed to preying on kids. Though the power dynamics involved make things... murky.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on May 26, 2023 14:10:09 GMT -5
I’m going to go ahead and tweak the title because calling it “Another One!” feels like it’s undermining the seriousness of the entire situation.
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Post by burdette25159 on May 26, 2023 14:10:24 GMT -5
Who is going to be the replacement presenter for the British Soap Awards now?
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Post by cornettesracket on May 26, 2023 14:23:20 GMT -5
I know who Phillip Schofield is and who holly willoughby is, but I have very rarely watched this morning or any other show they were on. I do remember a work colleague saying a few weeks ago “did you hear something is up with Phillip and holly ? “ which I didn’t and then he stepped down, so maybe regular viewers might have a better idea of if there was a noticeable change in their on screen dynamic.
He says his relationship wasn’t illegal and I’m sure that’s right to the letter, but given it was with an ITV employee down the pecking order in that company, it does raise issues of a power imbalance, which is a big no no.
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Post by FinalGwen on May 26, 2023 14:50:29 GMT -5
Not to defend Schofield in any way because the power dynamics are gross as hell, you don't do that with someone working with you with that much of an imbalance, but prepared to see this become a way bigger deal than any of the straight celebrities that do the same thing. (To say nothing of wrestlers.)
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on May 26, 2023 15:37:21 GMT -5
Yeah, this would be a day's worth of news and he'd apologise and be back on TV within 6 months were he having affairs with younger women, hell the tabloids would be praising him for being a ladies man. Also certain colleagues of his who are making vague accusations on certain unpleasant news outlets, who never had any issue when they worked together and never said a word when this was happening, can go eff themselves. If you know things, say them out loud, if you have proof you will have no worries about libel cases.
I've made no secret of my dislike of Schofield on here over the years, but I dislike the double standards and what people are implying.
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Post by An Dog On An Skateboard on May 26, 2023 15:59:21 GMT -5
Yeah, this would be a day's worth of news and he'd apologise and be back on TV within 6 months were he having affairs with younger women, hell the tabloids would be praising him for being a ladies man. Also certain colleagues of his who are making vague accusations on certain unpleasant news outlets, who never had any issue when they worked together and never said a word when this was happening, can go eff themselves. If you know things, say them out loud, if you have proof you will have no worries about libel cases. I've made no secret of my dislike of Schofield on here over the years, but I dislike the double standards and what people are implying. It's interesting how Dan Wootton and Eamonn Holmes were gushing about how "brave" he was, but now they're bragging about how they apparently knew. I suppose I'd expect nothing less than for that pair of odious, disingenous pricks to try to make it about themselves.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on May 26, 2023 16:07:23 GMT -5
Yeah, this would be a day's worth of news and he'd apologise and be back on TV within 6 months were he having affairs with younger women, hell the tabloids would be praising him for being a ladies man. Also certain colleagues of his who are making vague accusations on certain unpleasant news outlets, who never had any issue when they worked together and never said a word when this was happening, can go eff themselves. If you know things, say them out loud, if you have proof you will have no worries about libel cases. I've made no secret of my dislike of Schofield on here over the years, but I dislike the double standards and what people are implying. It's interesting how Dan Wootton and Eamonn Holmes were gushing about how "brave" he was, but now they're bragging about how they apparently knew. I suppose I'd expect nothing less than for that pair of odious, disingenous pricks to try to make it about themselves. Wooton has retconned why he was fired by ITV, despite posting about why he was canned all over social media at the time and using it to claim victimhood in the press. Funny how both he and Holmes knew and spoke out, except neither man said a word and have now brought the knives out because it's good for their careers to throw a colleague and someone they treated as a friend under the bus.
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Post by Bo Rida on May 26, 2023 17:05:47 GMT -5
Yeah, this would be a day's worth of news and he'd apologise and be back on TV within 6 months were he having affairs with younger women, hell the tabloids would be praising him for being a ladies man. Also certain colleagues of his who are making vague accusations on certain unpleasant news outlets, who never had any issue when they worked together and never said a word when this was happening, can go eff themselves. If you know things, say them out loud, if you have proof you will have no worries about libel cases. I've made no secret of my dislike of Schofield on here over the years, but I dislike the double standards and what people are implying. No way. Even DiCaprio gets tabloid critism for dating women in their 20s. A married 60 year old guy talks to an underage teenage girl, gets her a job, gives her special mentoring and then has sex with her and you think the media would praise him? It's grooming no matter the sexualities of those involved and I'm shocked it's being reported so charitably. No wonder Holly has been so pissed off, she very publicly supported him and it turns out he was doing this behind her back.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on May 26, 2023 18:13:39 GMT -5
Yeah, this would be a day's worth of news and he'd apologise and be back on TV within 6 months were he having affairs with younger women, hell the tabloids would be praising him for being a ladies man. Also certain colleagues of his who are making vague accusations on certain unpleasant news outlets, who never had any issue when they worked together and never said a word when this was happening, can go eff themselves. If you know things, say them out loud, if you have proof you will have no worries about libel cases. I've made no secret of my dislike of Schofield on here over the years, but I dislike the double standards and what people are implying. No way. Even DiCaprio gets tabloid critism for dating women in their 20s. A married 60 year old guy talks to an underage teenage girl, gets her a job, gives her special mentoring and then has sex with her and you think the media would praise him? It's grooming no matter the sexualities of those involved and I'm shocked it's being reported so charitably. No wonder Holly has been so pissed off, she very publicly supported him and it turns out he was doing this behind her back. It's grotesque whatever the gender, but there is absolutely a different standard applied to males having sexual relationships with women their junior, DiCaprio's behaviour has been common knowledge for years and he's still at it and has suffered zero consequences careerwise, none. People make jokes, write op eds but is hasn't cost him any high profile roles, people don't challenge him in interviews, and there's one thing you can say for certain, they certainly won't spend the next decade bringing his name up and calling all straight people groomers and using it as justification for pointing the finger at people and chiseling away at their rights.
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Post by darbus alan on May 26, 2023 18:43:17 GMT -5
The issue is power dynamics in the workplace, not age or gender. As far as we know, all of Leonardo DiCaprio's relationships are between consenting adults in spite of the age gap, and how they conduct their private lives assuming that is none of our business.
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Post by yokohamacpfc on May 26, 2023 18:57:25 GMT -5
PS's behavior is more like Prince Andrew's than DiCaprio's due to them meeting their partners/victims at a vulnerable and impressionable age and power dynamics (DiCaprio's young girlfriends have been successful models and independently wealthy of DiCaprio). Much like Prince Andrew Schofield hasn't done anything illegal that can be proved but there's enough "We didn't burn him!" about his "unwise but not illegal" comment that like Prince Andrew he will probably be disgraced and ostracized within his circles.
Heterosexual relationships with questionable age gaps had undoubtedly gotten a free pass historically right up until maybe ten years ago when rock stars and celebs were open about relationships with young fans. Billy Piper & Chris Evans (no, not that one) got a lot of positive tabloid coverage I remember but I think there's more scrutiny these days. Arguably the double standard applies more when the heterosexual older party/groomer is a woman (1st lady of France).
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Post by Fake Jesus on May 26, 2023 19:10:57 GMT -5
It's interesting to see some of the comments in this thread. I'm pretty sure if Schofield also met a ten year old girl, got her a job at fifteen, and then "started having a relationship with her at the age of eighteen (18) (legal) ((not before))" it would attract just as much public revulsion in the current day and age.
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Post by FinalGwen on May 26, 2023 19:27:50 GMT -5
It's interesting to see some of the comments in this thread. I'm pretty sure if Schofield also met a ten year old girl, got her a job at fifteen, and then "started having a relationship with her at the age of eighteen (18) (legal) ((not before))" it would attract just as much public revulsion in the current day and age. Idk, similar situation worked out pretty well for... The literal king of England. (And they both have nonces for brothers, too.) Again, not saying this is right, but no, I genuinely don't think it'd get just as much public revulsion.
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Post by yokohamacpfc on May 26, 2023 19:33:45 GMT -5
Anyway, straight or gay, male or female, the rule is half your age plus seven.
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Post by Fake Jesus on May 26, 2023 19:45:02 GMT -5
It's interesting to see some of the comments in this thread. I'm pretty sure if Schofield also met a ten year old girl, got her a job at fifteen, and then "started having a relationship with her at the age of eighteen (18) (legal) ((not before))" it would attract just as much public revulsion in the current day and age. Idk, similar situation worked out pretty well for... The literal king of England. (And they both have nonces for brothers, too.) Again, not saying this is right, but no, I genuinely don't think it'd get just as much public revulsion. Well to begin with, the literal King of England met Diana when she was 16 and he was 29, which is a rather different thing from 50 and, erm, 10; I don't think there's ever been an idea that Charles actively groomed her, and he ended up marrying her (many years later) because he wasn't allowed to marry a woman who is actually older than he is. It was also forty-five years ago.
Aside from that, there are a litany of completely reviled hetereosexual paedophiles like Rolf Harris, who just died, while if you were an English elite it was quite easy to get away with being a pederast and not have your legacy destroyed as seen by Monty, Mountbatten, anyone involved in the Kincora Boys Home; Barry Humphries just died and he absolutely loved to defend the Australian pederast artist Donald Friend - which is not to say I think it's easier to be an LGBTQ pedophile, I just think the average person kind of hates and is revolted by nonces no matter their particular orientation
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Post by Hit Girl on May 27, 2023 0:55:25 GMT -5
If the affair was consensual, then it's not a big deal IMO.
ITV are full of shit to be so self righteous since they still have Jeremy Clarkson working for them, who they hired after he assaulted a BBC producer.
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Post by thechase on May 27, 2023 1:11:09 GMT -5
If the affair was consensual, then it's not a big deal IMO. ITV are full of shit to be so self righteous since they still have Jeremy Clarkson working for them, who they hired after he assaulted a BBC producer. I recall hearing they were intending on stripping back content with him after he published his Harry and Meghan hit piece, but are presently obligated to complete work on Millionaire , at least Amazon cancelled his farming show.
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Post by dirtyoldman on May 27, 2023 1:26:18 GMT -5
It's interesting to see some of the comments in this thread. I'm pretty sure if Schofield also met a ten year old girl, got her a job at fifteen, and then "started having a relationship with her at the age of eighteen (18) (legal) ((not before))" it would attract just as much public revulsion in the current day and age. Idk, similar situation worked out pretty well for... The literal king of England. (And they both have nonces for brothers, too.) Again, not saying this is right, but no, I genuinely don't think it'd get just as much public revulsion. I'm pretty sure Charles isn't just the literal king of England but the king of England.
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