mc74
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Post by mc74 on Jun 3, 2023 3:00:54 GMT -5
Somewhere between WM 8 and Bret winning the title. I said it here somewhat recently, but the overall vibe of the company feels different by the time of Survivor Series 1992, especially with Bret and Shawn in the main event. When I went back and watched that era, that's what I noticed. It was around that time when the WWF was seemingly evolving. That was when the company was starting to transition from the Hogan era to the New Generation.
....well, that was until WWF took a step backwards and bungled it because they got stuck in their old ways. -__-
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Post by Hit Girl on Jun 3, 2023 3:48:54 GMT -5
Yokozuna ended it at KOTR.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Jun 3, 2023 4:48:15 GMT -5
Ya kno something that bugs the shit out of me? The revisionist history that Hogan winning the belt at WM9 was this terrible thing. Watch the show. The fans go ape shit when Hulk wins. He was still the most over dude in the company. As for the answer to the question, KOTR. With you starting the post the same way he started all of his promos I read this in Hogan's voice.
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Post by JasonVoorhees1988 on Jun 3, 2023 4:53:36 GMT -5
Ya kno something that bugs the shit out of me? The revisionist history that Hogan winning the belt at WM9 was this terrible thing. Watch the show. The fans go ape shit when Hulk wins. He was still the most over dude in the company. As for the answer to the question, KOTR. With you starting the post the same way he started all of his promos I read this in Hogan's voice. Lol.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Jun 3, 2023 10:42:00 GMT -5
Mania 8 was the death.
The Yokozuna match was the wake
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Post by Zombie Mod on Jun 3, 2023 10:58:34 GMT -5
the official end was his heel turn to join the nwo, it was just slowly dying off up to that point. not really evolving the character lead to diminishing returns fan reaction wise despite the move to wcw giving it a bit of a bump.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2023 11:13:11 GMT -5
Ya kno something that bugs the shit out of me? The revisionist history that Hogan winning the belt at WM9 was this terrible thing. Watch the show. The fans go ape shit when Hulk wins. He was still the most over dude in the company. As for the answer to the question, KOTR. With you starting the post the same way he started all of his promos I read this in Hogan's voice. ”Well, ya know something that bugs the shit out of me, Mean Gene?!”
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Celgress
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Post by Celgress on Jun 3, 2023 13:33:09 GMT -5
King of the Ring 93, brother!
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Jun 3, 2023 14:13:43 GMT -5
I found it funny how that Hogan impersonator was at both Survivor Series 91 and King of the Ring 93. Of all the events to go to and he picks two of the only three times Hogan got pinned. Talk about a bad luck charm lol.
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Post by Triangle Lancer on Jun 3, 2023 14:18:50 GMT -5
I found it funny how that Hogan impersonator was at both Survivor Series 91 and King of the Ring 93. Of all the events to go to and he picks two of the only three times Hogan got pinned. Talk about a bad luck charm lol. Maybe he was supposed to be there at WM6 but ended up selling his seat to that single mom who wanted to buy her wrestling fan son a ticket. He got edged out of being there. ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png)
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Post by wildojinx on Jun 3, 2023 14:22:02 GMT -5
WM8, and not just Hogan. Tito Santana, Jake Roberts, and Roddy Piper, guys who were just as big as Hogan in the 80s, all lost to Shawn Michaels, Undertaker, and Bret Hart, guys who would become the top stars of the new generation era.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Jun 3, 2023 14:35:15 GMT -5
WM8, and not just Hogan. Tito Santana, Jake Roberts, and Roddy Piper, guys who were just as big as Hogan in the 80s, all lost to Shawn Michaels, Undertaker, and Bret Hart, guys who would become the top stars of the new generation era. Those guys were definitely big stars especially Piper and Jake but no way were they as big as Hogan. Hogan is probably THE biggest star ever in the history of he business. Only other guy you could make an argument for is maybe The Rock. I know Tatanka didn't exactly end up reaching great heights but him beating Rick Martel is another example of a 90's guy beating a 80's star. And while Sid didn't win he didn't get pinned by Hogan, dominated most of the match, and I believe was the first guy to kick out of the legdrop (albeit apparently unplanned). It was definitely a changing of the guard show.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Jun 3, 2023 14:55:35 GMT -5
I found it funny how that Hogan impersonator was at both Survivor Series 91 and King of the Ring 93. Of all the events to go to and he picks two of the only three times Hogan got pinned. Talk about a bad luck charm lol. Maybe he was supposed to be there at WM6 but ended up selling his seat to that single mom who wanted to buy her wrestling fan son a ticket. He got edged out of being there. ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) I like to think that he was present during every bad occurrence that happened in Hogan's life.
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Post by Triangle Lancer on Jun 3, 2023 15:02:48 GMT -5
Maybe he was supposed to be there at WM6 but ended up selling his seat to that single mom who wanted to buy her wrestling fan son a ticket. He got edged out of being there. ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) I like to think that he was present during every bad occurrence that happened in Hogan's life. "Hulk's got the up side, Hogan-Fan got the downside. See, there's two sides to every Schwartz..."
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tirtefaa
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Post by tirtefaa on Jun 3, 2023 16:23:19 GMT -5
Hogan winning definitely felt like it brought prestige back to the WWF belt. No offense intended toward Bret, but in 1993 he was an IC title guy to me. He didn't really start to feel like main event tier until WM10. I love Bret, and I even don't mind him doing the 'fighting champion' but it was frustrating to see him have competitive matches with everyone on the roster. With guys like 123 Kid, Jerry Lawler or Hakushi...that's fine. But Jean Pierre LeFitte, Repo Man or IRS? Should be beating those guys in 5 minutes or less.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Jun 3, 2023 18:04:04 GMT -5
Hogan winning definitely felt like it brought prestige back to the WWF belt. No offense intended toward Bret, but in 1993 he was an IC title guy to me. He didn't really start to feel like main event tier until WM10. I love Bret, and I even don't mind him doing the 'fighting champion' but it was frustrating to see him have competitive matches with everyone on the roster. With guys like 123 Kid, Jerry Lawler or Hakushi...that's fine. But Jean Pierre LeFitte, Repo Man or IRS? Should be beating those guys in 5 minutes or less. I really liked the Jean Pierre Lafitte matches and had no problem with how those turned out. Dumb gimmick aside Pierre was a really talented guy and I think someone they had hopes for. It's just he pissed of the Kliq and left shortly after. So those matches came off more like a main event guy having a real competitive match with an up and coming heel with potential and elevating him in the process more then "why is Bret having such a hard time with this guy". Guys like IRS and Repo Man I would agree that he maybe should've beaten more decisively. However IRS was pushed pretty well. I don't think he should've been pushed as well as he should've been and I think a lot of fans would agree but regardless he was still pushed and always had a good spot so Bret squashing him wouldn't make sense. Repo Man I have no idea since he was a joke character and he wasn't pushed either. Also the thing with Bret was he wasn't this unstoppable superhero guy like Hogan or Warrior. He was a "small" guy comparatively with the rest of the roste who relied on technique and resourcefulness to win. So him just steamrolling guys regardless if he was the champion or The Guy wouldn't make sense either. Honestly as much as I like Bret I think he was ill suited to be the top guy. He's someone that was best served as a #2 or #3 face on the roster. With him it was just a case of being in the right place at the right time as with the roster becoming depleted with all the big names leaving or getting phased out, the steroid stuff, and all the turmoil surrounding the company at the time they just wanted a "safe" option. A dependable and reliable guy who was a really good wrestler and who wasn't a roid guy and who wasn't going to cause embarrassment to the company. He at least kept things on an even kiel but while probably the best option he still wasn't a great option.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jun 3, 2023 18:45:52 GMT -5
I feel like you can divide Hogan's big run into two phases: his title win in '84 through let's say somewhere in 1988 (maybe the introduction of the "winged eagle"?), and then late '88/early '89 through Wrestlemania VIII in '92.
The first phase was prime 80s WWF, where you had some cartoony gimmicks but things still had a territory vibe to them, but once you get to the build to Wrestlemania V it seems you're fully in a Hogan/McMahon-run wrestling world for a few years, with the rise of the more technicolor gimmicks of that era. Like, in a weird way I kind of use things like One Man Gang being made into Akeem as an example of that transition.
But I do think that second phase ends basically at Mania 8, since the transition to the aesthetics of the New Generation is well underway at that point (e.g. moving away from a more "straight laced sports presentation" to the weird neon colors and squiggle lines and whatnot of the early 90s). Plus you take a look at how other things progress at that point and you can see the change in who's getting pushed and how they're getting used; like, Mr. Perfect gets his face turn at Survivor Series '92, but after that point while he's being used as a high level name, he's still being used to put over Luger, Hart, and Michaels during the '93 PPVs.
I was at the Raw where Hogan came back in '93 (my little brother got on camera with a closeup for a bit, a guy was nice enough to pick him up so he could see), and while little 8-9 year old Hulkamaniac me was thrilled, there was no denying that everything about the WWF at that point felt very different.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2023 19:54:05 GMT -5
Those of you who think Hulkamania died in 1993 must not have been watching WCW in 1995 to experience the DARK SIDE OF HULKAMANIA brother!
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jun 3, 2023 21:28:05 GMT -5
For me it's WrestleMania 7. That was the event that showed Hogan couldn't draw on his own anymore and needed a hot angle with an interesting opponent to do so.
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El Pollo Guerrera
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Post by El Pollo Guerrera on Jun 3, 2023 21:36:45 GMT -5
When he left to make movies. Returning felt like they were trying to 're-bottle the lightning' and it showed.
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