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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on May 7, 2024 8:41:35 GMT -5
How is a kicked ball not reviewable?
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Post by Jacy Jayne Atomic Dog AMV on May 7, 2024 12:18:40 GMT -5
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Post by sfvega on May 7, 2024 12:22:38 GMT -5
People crying about the Knicks, when the Pacers had a lead and they committed dumb fouls down the stretch. If the Pacers were getting those calls nobody would be complaining and crying and instead yall would be saying "I'd take it." Likewise, I'm sure Knicks fans would be gracious about having two possessions taken away at the end of the game...
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Post by lucas_lee on May 7, 2024 13:17:15 GMT -5
People crying about the Knicks, when the Pacers had a lead and they committed dumb fouls down the stretch. If the Pacers were getting those calls nobody would be complaining and crying and instead yall would be saying "I'd take it." Likewise, I'm sure Knicks fans would be gracious about having two possessions taken away at the end of the game... Did the refs make the guy foul Brunson before the inbound with a 1 point deficit? Because they could've gotten possession but instead they did that. Or how about Hailburton disappearing in the fourth quarter? Didn't yall have a big lead too and you lost it? Listen you can cry all you want about fouls but the Pacers screwed the Pacers and didn't close it out. That's on them
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Post by sfvega on May 7, 2024 14:36:11 GMT -5
Likewise, I'm sure Knicks fans would be gracious about having two possessions taken away at the end of the game... Did the refs make the guy foul Brunson before the inbound with a 1 point deficit? Because they could've gotten possession but instead they did that. Or how about Hailburton disappearing in the fourth quarter? Didn't yall have a big lead too and you lost it? Listen you can cry all you want about fouls but the Pacers screwed the Pacers and didn't close it out. That's on them Y'all? Am I a Pacers fan? Goofy. You trying to paint me as a homer is very ironic. Do you think if the Knicks were on the receiving end of these calls late that this thread wouldn't have complaints? Do you have to play a perfect game in order to not get f***ed by calls? A bad call is a bad call. And the refs are catching flack because they were some bad calls.
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Post by lucas_lee on May 7, 2024 14:50:56 GMT -5
Did the refs make the guy foul Brunson before the inbound with a 1 point deficit? Because they could've gotten possession but instead they did that. Or how about Hailburton disappearing in the fourth quarter? Didn't yall have a big lead too and you lost it? Listen you can cry all you want about fouls but the Pacers screwed the Pacers and didn't close it out. That's on them Y'all? Am I a Pacers fan? Goofy. You trying to paint me as a homer is very ironic. Do you think if the Knicks were on the receiving end of these calls late that this thread wouldn't have complaints? Do you have to play a perfect game in order to not get f***ed by calls? A bad call is a bad call. And the refs are catching flack because they were some bad calls. I wouldn't cry because if they were on that side they deserve to lose, blowing a double digit lead, and making bone headed plays. Yeah they deserve it.
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Post by sfvega on May 7, 2024 15:02:09 GMT -5
Y'all? Am I a Pacers fan? Goofy. You trying to paint me as a homer is very ironic. Do you think if the Knicks were on the receiving end of these calls late that this thread wouldn't have complaints? Do you have to play a perfect game in order to not get f***ed by calls? A bad call is a bad call. And the refs are catching flack because they were some bad calls. I wouldn't cry because if they were on that side they deserve to lose, blowing a double digit lead, and making bone headed plays. Yeah they deserve it. Wait, you're a Knicks fan? Biased! Biased!
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Post by ghost on May 7, 2024 15:17:02 GMT -5
Y'all? Am I a Pacers fan? Goofy. You trying to paint me as a homer is very ironic. Do you think if the Knicks were on the receiving end of these calls late that this thread wouldn't have complaints? Do you have to play a perfect game in order to not get f***ed by calls? A bad call is a bad call. And the refs are catching flack because they were some bad calls. I wouldn't cry because if they were on that side they deserve to lose, blowing a double digit lead, and making bone headed plays. Yeah they deserve it. What does blowing a lead have to do with getting jobbed out of calls down the stretch? Teams can blow leads and still win close games. It happens all the time. So you're saying the Pacers should have blown out the Knicks to avoid having the refs gift the Knicks extra possessions/calls? If the roles were reversed, Knicks fans would definitely be going crazy. However, the fact that this is the 2nd game that the refs somehow blew calls at MSG to favor the Knicks (game 2 against Philly being the other), I'm guessing Knicks fans are fine with the officiating this post season. I would be too if I was a Knicks fan.
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Post by mo on May 7, 2024 17:39:38 GMT -5
And the least respected among players adds another feather to his cap.
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Post by Jacy Jayne Atomic Dog AMV on May 7, 2024 17:46:48 GMT -5
Who the f*** voted for Sabonis 💀
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Post by sfvega on May 7, 2024 19:19:24 GMT -5
And the least respected among players adds another feather to his cap. Gobert is one of the best defenders of the last 20 years. And as an all-around defender is better than Wemby today. Having said that, I think Victor should have won. Just seeing the impact he has in the paint. I've never seen anything like it. It's not just the blocks, it's the affected shots. It's deterring shots. Guys will drive and pass off to the weak side, and Wemby will take one step, flat-footed and with his wingspan will already be in position to block the first player and then the second, and they'll pass out to the perimeter. His blocks are just the tip of the iceberg, and his blocks are AMAZING. They're elite, but then you have him blocking a Chet fadeaway, and it's insanity. He's not a better man defender than Gobert or Ben Wallace or whoever, but his help impact and the amount of space he takes away is off the charts. Nobody is Russell, Hakeem, Dikembe-like day one and he is. It's a damn good thing the modern game has so much spacing because if people were forced to work the paint with him lurking, he'd average 6 blocks a game. He'll get DPOYs down the line, but I think his impact isn't yet properly quantified.
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Post by RI Richmark on May 7, 2024 20:27:12 GMT -5
Great start for the Celtics. Mitchell kept Cleveland in it for a while but the Celtics started hitting 3s.
Great job from Brown tonight. White and Kornet too. Hopefully Tatum doesn't struggle again.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 7, 2024 20:38:07 GMT -5
And the least respected among players adds another feather to his cap. Gobert is one of the best defenders of the last 20 years. And as an all-around defender is better than Wemby today. Having said that, I think Victor should have won. Just seeing the impact he has in the paint. I've never seen anything like it. It's not just the blocks, it's the affected shots. It's deterring shots. Guys will drive and pass off to the weak side, and Wemby will take one step, flat-footed and with his wingspan will already be in position to block the first player and then the second, and they'll pass out to the perimeter. His blocks are just the tip of the iceberg, and his blocks are AMAZING. They're elite, but then you have him blocking a Chet fadeaway, and it's insanity. He's not a better man defender than Gobert or Ben Wallace or whoever, but his help impact and the amount of space he takes away is off the charts. Nobody is Russell, Hakeem, Dikembe-like day one and he is. It's a damn good thing the modern game has so much spacing because if people were forced to work the paint with him lurking, he'd average 6 blocks a game. He'll get DPOYs down the line, but I think his impact isn't yet properly quantified. Gobert is winning it mostly off the strength of how he is the catalyst on the defense of turning the Wolves into a top team in the NBA. At the very least he is their defensive identity If the Wolves were like the 5th team in the West and Spurs weren't so ass, Wemby would have won it. I think Wemby had a good shot at winning it but I can see why Gobert won With that said, Wemby will probably run off 4 straight
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Post by mo on May 7, 2024 21:01:27 GMT -5
And the least respected among players adds another feather to his cap. Gobert is one of the best defenders of the last 20 years. And as an all-around defender is better than Wemby today. Having said that, I think Victor should have won. Just seeing the impact he has in the paint. I've never seen anything like it. It's not just the blocks, it's the affected shots. It's deterring shots. Guys will drive and pass off to the weak side, and Wemby will take one step, flat-footed and with his wingspan will already be in position to block the first player and then the second, and they'll pass out to the perimeter. His blocks are just the tip of the iceberg, and his blocks are AMAZING. They're elite, but then you have him blocking a Chet fadeaway, and it's insanity. He's not a better man defender than Gobert or Ben Wallace or whoever, but his help impact and the amount of space he takes away is off the charts. Nobody is Russell, Hakeem, Dikembe-like day one and he is. It's a damn good thing the modern game has so much spacing because if people were forced to work the paint with him lurking, he'd average 6 blocks a game. He'll get DPOYs down the line, but I think his impact isn't yet properly quantified. Yeah, I think combo of him being a rookie and the Spurs less than stellar record likely prevented folks from voting for him. He’ll get his in the future, but Gobert is a much deserved winner.
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Post by lucas_lee on May 7, 2024 21:26:08 GMT -5
I wouldn't cry because if they were on that side they deserve to lose, blowing a double digit lead, and making bone headed plays. Yeah they deserve it. What does blowing a lead have to do with getting jobbed out of calls down the stretch? Teams can blow leads and still win close games. It happens all the time. So you're saying the Pacers should have blown out the Knicks to avoid having the refs gift the Knicks extra possessions/calls? If the roles were reversed, Knicks fans would definitely be going crazy. However, the fact that this is the 2nd game that the refs somehow blew calls at MSG to favor the Knicks (game 2 against Philly being the other), I'm guessing Knicks fans are fine with the officiating this post season. I would be too if I was a Knicks fan. Lol you guys are just like the dudes that complain about the Chiefs in the NFL topic. So you're gonna cry about the calls but you're not gonna cry about the Pacers doing dumb stuff during the last few seconds either? And don't use the 76ers as a counterpoint when they have the human foul baiter Joel Embid.
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Post by sfvega on May 7, 2024 21:39:49 GMT -5
What does blowing a lead have to do with getting jobbed out of calls down the stretch? Teams can blow leads and still win close games. It happens all the time. So you're saying the Pacers should have blown out the Knicks to avoid having the refs gift the Knicks extra possessions/calls? If the roles were reversed, Knicks fans would definitely be going crazy. However, the fact that this is the 2nd game that the refs somehow blew calls at MSG to favor the Knicks (game 2 against Philly being the other), I'm guessing Knicks fans are fine with the officiating this post season. I would be too if I was a Knicks fan. Lol you guys are just like the dudes that complain about the Chiefs in the NFL topic. So you're gonna cry about the calls but you're not gonna cry about the Pacers doing dumb stuff during the last few seconds either? And don't use the 76ers as a counterpoint when they have the human foul baiter Joel Embid. I like that we're making legitimate points and you're like "your crying". If anyone is coming at it from an emotional angle, it's you buddy. And throwing whataboutisms about the lead doesn't address the calls.
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Post by lucas_lee on May 7, 2024 21:57:32 GMT -5
Lol you guys are just like the dudes that complain about the Chiefs in the NFL topic. So you're gonna cry about the calls but you're not gonna cry about the Pacers doing dumb stuff during the last few seconds either? And don't use the 76ers as a counterpoint when they have the human foul baiter Joel Embid. I like that we're making legitimate points and you're like "your crying". If anyone is coming at it from an emotional angle, it's you buddy. And throwing whataboutisms about the lead doesn't address the calls. I'm not being emotional I'm stating facts. The kickball was a bad call no doubt but it didn't cost them the game. They had other chances to capitalize and failed. Yall still didn't acknowledge the Pacer that fouled Brunson before an inbound. That's what killed their chances they were only down by one from that dumb foul.
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Post by sfvega on May 7, 2024 22:16:59 GMT -5
I like that we're making legitimate points and you're like "your crying". If anyone is coming at it from an emotional angle, it's you buddy. And throwing whataboutisms about the lead doesn't address the calls. I'm not being emotional I'm stating facts. The kickball was a bad call no doubt but it didn't cost them the game. They had other chances to capitalize and failed. Yall still didn't acknowledge the Pacer that fouled Brunson before an inbound. That's what killed their chances they were only down by one from that dumb foul. So you're saying that making it a two-possession game instead of a one-possession game is what decided the game. But you admit the refs obviously took one possession from them.... It's also a 1-point lead after the two bad calls.
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Post by lucas_lee on May 8, 2024 5:03:19 GMT -5
I'm not being emotional I'm stating facts. The kickball was a bad call no doubt but it didn't cost them the game. They had other chances to capitalize and failed. Yall still didn't acknowledge the Pacer that fouled Brunson before an inbound. That's what killed their chances they were only down by one from that dumb foul. So you're saying that making it a two-possession game instead of a one-possession game is what decided the game. But you admit the refs obviously took one possession from them.... It's also a 1-point lead after the two bad calls. Yes with that many seconds left that definitely decided the game. Are you saying that it didn't decide it?
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Post by BRV on May 8, 2024 9:48:28 GMT -5
And the least respected among players adds another feather to his cap. Gobert is one of the best defenders of the last 20 years. And as an all-around defender is better than Wemby today. Having said that, I think Victor should have won. Just seeing the impact he has in the paint. I've never seen anything like it. It's not just the blocks, it's the affected shots. It's deterring shots. Guys will drive and pass off to the weak side, and Wemby will take one step, flat-footed and with his wingspan will already be in position to block the first player and then the second, and they'll pass out to the perimeter. His blocks are just the tip of the iceberg, and his blocks are AMAZING. They're elite, but then you have him blocking a Chet fadeaway, and it's insanity. He's not a better man defender than Gobert or Ben Wallace or whoever, but his help impact and the amount of space he takes away is off the charts. Nobody is Russell, Hakeem, Dikembe-like day one and he is. It's a damn good thing the modern game has so much spacing because if people were forced to work the paint with him lurking, he'd average 6 blocks a game. He'll get DPOYs down the line, but I think his impact isn't yet properly quantified. I hope everyone's ready for the conversation about Rudy Gobert's Hall of Fame candidacy, because if Ben Wallace is the baseline, then Gobert is already worthy of induction. Gobert is a three-time All-Star, 4-time Defensive Player of the Year, 6-time All-Defense first team, 1-time All-NBA second team, 3-time All-NBA third team. Wallace is a four-time All-Star, 4-time Defensive Player of the Year, 5-time All-Defense first team, 3-time All-NBA second team, 2-time All-NBA third team. Considering Gobert is only 31 years old, he probably has another few solid years left in him, so he can only lap Ben Wallace from here.
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