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Post by thechase on Jun 19, 2023 2:42:06 GMT -5
Aliens I believe do visit us, but we could be off limits for first contact due to our warring nature. That's science fiction non-sense. I thought this was a safe space for expressing your beliefs and not be called out on them? Bad form pal. You do you.
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Post by JasonVoorhees1988 on Jun 19, 2023 2:54:23 GMT -5
That's science fiction non-sense. I thought this was a safe space for expressing your beliefs and not be called out on them? Bad form pal. You do you. I believe they've visited us. So no judgement from me, my dog.
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Post by thechase on Jun 19, 2023 2:58:37 GMT -5
I thought this was a safe space for expressing your beliefs and not be called out on them? Bad form pal. You do you. I believe they've visited us. So no judgement from me, my dog. I think he was disagreeing more with my reasons for why I think aliens don't contact us.
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Post by Zaq "That Guy" Buzzkill on Jun 19, 2023 4:19:35 GMT -5
Aliens are like sober Irishmen. They exist in theory but nobody will ever meet one.
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Post by dirtyoldman on Jun 19, 2023 4:44:45 GMT -5
Considering they're millions of light years away, is it actually possible with all the technology in the universe to travel faster than light? I know in movies they talk about 'wormholes ' but is that not a scfi cop out? How many films have you seen were some boffin gets a bit of paper, folds it and then puts a hole in it to demonstrate this?
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jun 19, 2023 5:40:45 GMT -5
Considering they're millions of light years away, is it actually possible with all the technology in the universe to travel faster than light? A number of mathematical models have shown that "warp speed" is theoretically possible within the current known laws of physics, yes. Unfortunately said models also show that the power needs to power a warp drive are just a tad prohibitive – all matter in the known universe would need to be converted into energy, which would defeat to point of using it. But the key part of all that is "current known laws of physics." A civilisation with even a few hundred years head start on us may have a better understanding of physics that would enable them to crack FTL speeds. Hell, a few theoretical physicists made waves a couple of years back claiming that they had figured out how to achieve warp drives without the nearly infinite power requirements. The power requirements described in these papers are still well beyond our abilities, but in a century or two (assuming humanity survives that long), who knows?
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Post by Red Mage Riot on Jun 19, 2023 5:44:04 GMT -5
Considering they're millions of light years away, is it actually possible with all the technology in the universe to travel faster than light? A number of mathematical models have shown that "warp speed" is theoretically possible within the current known laws of physics, yes. Unfortunately said models also show that the power needs to power a warp drive are just a tad prohibitive – all matter in the known universe would need to be converted into energy, which would defeat to point of using it. But the key part of all that is "current known laws of physics." A civilisation with even a few hundred years head start on us may have a better understanding of physics that would enable them to crack FTL speeds. Hell, a few theoretical physicists made waves a couple of years back claiming that they had figured out how to achieve warp drives without the nearly infinite power requirements. The power requirements described in these papers are still well beyond our abilities, but in a century or two (assuming humanity survives that long), who knows? Right, "scientifically impossible" is just science speak for "we haven't cracked it yet". A century ago, we looked up at the moon as some impossible distance away, this thing we'd never reach, and inside of a human lifetime, less than a century into "manned flight" as a general concept existing, we made it there. I doubt it'll happen in mine, my kids, or my grandkids lifetimes, but if humanity gets it's shit together, we'll crack it eventually.
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Post by Sephiroth on Jun 19, 2023 8:18:57 GMT -5
We were supposed to have flying cars and green skinned mistresses by now
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Jun 19, 2023 8:21:09 GMT -5
We were supposed to have flying cars abs green skinned mistresses by now I think abs are the least likely at this point.
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Jun 19, 2023 8:40:22 GMT -5
Seems almost impossible that life wouldn’t exist elsewhere.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jun 19, 2023 12:40:41 GMT -5
Hudson - "Sure aliens are real.....hahah.....ILLEGAL aliens, right Vasquez?"
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Post by The Legend of Groose on Jun 19, 2023 12:53:47 GMT -5
I think the universe is too big for there not to be.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2023 12:57:15 GMT -5
They walk among us!
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Post by Hit Girl on Jun 19, 2023 16:20:48 GMT -5
It's entirely possible that all other alien civiliations have agreed not to contact us.
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Post by agent817 on Jun 19, 2023 20:04:49 GMT -5
Now that I think about it, what about how life is in "Men in Black" where aliens live among us but we just don't realize it?
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Post by DichEvans on Jun 19, 2023 20:17:34 GMT -5
I believe in aliens as a matter of probability. There's no way, among all the planets among all the stars, that we are the ONLY sentient, self-aware species in the ENTIRE universe. I just don't buy the odds of it. Having said that, that same vastness also has me believing that if there are aliens out there, we'll probably never run across them, just because the universe is that big. This. Also, from how we understand physics now, it is impossible to travel beyond the speed of light, as you would just be travelling through time. Even if we could match the speed of light, aren't some galaxies essentially like 400 years away?
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Post by DichEvans on Jun 19, 2023 20:24:51 GMT -5
Considering they're millions of light years away, is it actually possible with all the technology in the universe to travel faster than light? A number of mathematical models have shown that "warp speed" is theoretically possible within the current known laws of physics, yes. Unfortunately said models also show that the power needs to power a warp drive are just a tad prohibitive – all matter in the known universe would need to be converted into energy, which would defeat to point of using it. But the key part of all that is "current known laws of physics." A civilisation with even a few hundred years head start on us may have a better understanding of physics that would enable them to crack FTL speeds. Hell, a few theoretical physicists made waves a couple of years back claiming that they had figured out how to achieve warp drives without the nearly infinite power requirements. The power requirements described in these papers are still well beyond our abilities, but in a century or two (assuming humanity survives that long), who knows? But aren't you essentially travelling through time at that point? Even with the speed of light, anywhere that would be close enough to travel to within one human life we can see in a telescope. I also don't really believe Aliens regularly crash their ships here. So they have evolved, gone through many of the same social things we have, happen to be on a planet that has all the same resources, and figured out how to do warp speed with super advanced science, know how to stealthily enter our solar system, but they regularly have pilot malfunctions on earth that have never really been caught on tape, and all the governments in the world have been able to keep this secret, despite not being able to get along on anything else? I hate to break it to people, but all those UFO videos are either military crafts or light anomalies. Humans have a really bad habit of blaming things on god or aliens when a logical explanation is not right immediately available
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jun 19, 2023 21:26:34 GMT -5
Even if we could match the speed of light, aren't some galaxies essentially like 400 years away? The closest galaxy to ours is Canis Major, a dwarf galaxy that orbits our own. At light speed it would take 25,000 years to get there. But aren't you essentially travelling through time at that point? Even with the speed of light, anywhere that would be close enough to travel to within one human life we can see in a telescope. The theoretical "warp" drive actually compresses spacetime, so you're not actually moving faster than light but rather making the distance between you and your destination shorter. It is, essentially, the "poking a pencil through a folded sheet of paper" trope. Physicist Miguel Alcubierre's theoretical drive achieves this without violating the known laws of physics, but – as mentioned in my other post – there is no possible way to power it at our present technological level, beyond the impossible brute force method of converting all the matter in the universe to do it. There's nothing to say that ways of generating the power required won't be found in the future, however. So if we ever got it to work, warp travel could conceivably enable a human spacecraft to travel to another star and back in a relatively short time with none of the time dilation concerns.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jun 19, 2023 23:30:19 GMT -5
Now that I think about it, what about how life is in "Men in Black" where aliens live among us but we just don't realize it? Is it possible that Will Smith is an alien?
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Post by Instant Classic on Jun 19, 2023 23:37:58 GMT -5
I always love to imagine we have a god of destruction with his angel attendant.
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