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Post by Alice Syndrome on Jul 1, 2023 21:10:28 GMT -5
Roman was right about this being filet mignon and not fast food. I was one of the few (only?) who wanted him to retain at Mania even though I know it made no sense from a storyline standpoint, but credit to WWE for extending the story and keeping it as compelling as it was prior to WM. It might even be more compelling now. Also, Roman's had a God Tier run. The Usos, Solo, and Sami are all elevated from this story, and Cody finally winning the belt at 40 (which has to be the plan I would think) is going to be a massive moment. If I ordered Filet Mignon but my waiter kept punching me in the face for 3 years while I was waiting I'd probably think id rather have gone to McDonald's
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Post by polarbearpete on Jul 1, 2023 21:24:44 GMT -5
Roman has been pinned every single match of this reign, it's just that there's always a ref bump so it doesn't count. Hell, half those times he's pinned to a 5 count. I was excited for Jey to finally stand up to Roman...6 months ago. However, I will admit I didn't see the match tonight and it was probably very good. That said, some have mentioned the ref bump as a callback. Is it really a callback if that's a standard part of every single Roman match? Cody had shown a savvyness that none of the others facing Roman had at that point, working with others to try to negate the bloodline interference. I do think he should have won. By all means, they could have done a rematch at the next Mania. It's funny that folks are still ignoring Cody's injury as a 'hardship'. And you know, leaving the company and creating competition. I guess my question is now that the bloodline story until mania is basically laid out, what does Cody do for the next 9 months? Lesnar at Summerslam. Then there’s just 3 PPVs until the Rumble. I’d go with either a Gunther feud or a returning heel Orton feud, or a heel McIntyre feud.
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Post by schma on Jul 1, 2023 21:26:38 GMT -5
Roman has been pinned every single match of this reign, it's just that there's always a ref bump so it doesn't count. Hell, half those times he's pinned to a 5 count. I was excited for Jey to finally stand up to Roman...6 months ago. However, I will admit I didn't see the match tonight and it was probably very good. That said, some have mentioned the ref bump as a callback. Is it really a callback if that's a standard part of every single Roman match? Cody had shown a savvyness that none of the others facing Roman had at that point, working with others to try to negate the bloodline interference. I do think he should have won. By all means, they could have done a rematch at the next Mania. It's funny that folks are still ignoring Cody's injury as a 'hardship'. And you know, leaving the company and creating competition. I guess my question is now that the bloodline story until mania is basically laid out, what does Cody do for the next 9 months? Lesnar at Summerslam. Then there’s just 3 PPVs until the Rumble. I’d go with either a Gunther feud or a returning heel Orton feud, or a heel McIntyre feud. Only 3? Have they massively cut down on the number of PPVs? I thought they used to be monthly or even more with the blood money shows?
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Post by polarbearpete on Jul 1, 2023 21:30:09 GMT -5
Roman was right about this being filet mignon and not fast food. I was one of the few (only?) who wanted him to retain at Mania even though I know it made no sense from a storyline standpoint, but credit to WWE for extending the story and keeping it as compelling as it was prior to WM. It might even be more compelling now. Also, Roman's had a God Tier run. The Usos, Solo, and Sami are all elevated from this story, and Cody finally winning the belt at 40 (which has to be the plan I would think) is going to be a massive moment. If I ordered Filet Mignon but my waiter kept punching me in the face for 3 years while I was waiting I'd probably think id rather have gone to McDonald's More like each bite of the filet mignon are the peaks in the story throughout the 3 years (yes they’ve been more frequent in the last year).
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Post by polarbearpete on Jul 1, 2023 21:31:23 GMT -5
Lesnar at Summerslam. Then there’s just 3 PPVs until the Rumble. I’d go with either a Gunther feud or a returning heel Orton feud, or a heel McIntyre feud. Only 3? Have they massively cut down on the number of PPVs? I thought they used to be monthly or even more with the blood money shows? Actually 4. Summerslam is August. There’s a September and October stateside PPV, then likely an early November Saudi PPV and Survivor Series. No PPV in December.
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Post by asuka007 on Jul 1, 2023 22:20:18 GMT -5
Jey doing the “kick out while low blowing” thing to Roman like Roman did to him in their I Quit Match was a nice callback.
I wonder if Roman blames Solo for this going forward? Solo did hesitate just a little before trying to splash Jimmy through unsuitable after all.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Jul 1, 2023 23:13:51 GMT -5
Jey doing the “kick out while low blowing” thing to Roman like Roman did to him in their I Quit Match was a nice callback. I wonder if Roman blames Solo for this going forward? Solo did hesitate just a little before trying to splash Jimmy through unsuitable after all. It'd fit with Roman's character to blame everyone for failing him, and it'd be even more significant here because Solo wasn't the one who got pinned. It was Roman who got pinned.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jul 1, 2023 23:18:26 GMT -5
If the end for this comes at Mania then I'm just going to be hearing about it after the fact rather than actually seeing it. I really have zero confidence in them to ever end this reign at this point, and really I only actually care whether or not they do in so far as wanting it to be over with because no possible payoff could ever make this ride worth it for me, plus with every night two of Mania to date being total ass cheeks I'm not giving them the benefit of the doubt a fifth time that the show will be remotely watchable.
I'll probably watch night 1 but night 2, nope, miss me with that shit.
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Post by asuka007 on Jul 1, 2023 23:31:01 GMT -5
Roman was right about this being filet mignon and not fast food. I was one of the few (only?) who wanted him to retain at Mania even though I know it made no sense from a storyline standpoint, but credit to WWE for extending the story and keeping it as compelling as it was prior to WM. It might even be more compelling now. Also, Roman's had a God Tier run. The Usos, Solo, and Sami are all elevated from this story, and Cody finally winning the belt at 40 (which has to be the plan I would think) is going to be a massive moment. If I ordered Filet Mignon but my waiter kept punching me in the face for 3 years while I was waiting I'd probably think id rather have gone to McDonald's Also I just want food that tastes good and fills me up. How “fancy” or “expensive” it is isn’t that important to me.
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Post by Chiral on Jul 1, 2023 23:44:47 GMT -5
Preface: I'm not watching rn because it's better for my mental health that way but...I don't get why any of this couldn't be the follow up to Roman losing to Cody or Sami at WM or Elimination Chamber cuz like. The belts feel so superfluous to the story they're telling outside of IDK the marketability of Roman having a bunch of world titles around for shirts and his entrance and shit? Why couldn't Cody/Sami beat Roman, then the Bloodline falls apart? The many year nobody can touch Roman deal ending by Jey pinning him makes sense, but it also is like. You had to go over everyone just to lose to your cousin lol. Wasn't the whole point of him being so un-pinnable to make it a big deal when whoever beat him for the belts pinned him? Again I'm not watching so like truckload of salt with everything I'm saying here cuz this whole angle just isn't for me, it just makes me miserable, I just don't see the point of dragging this out 5 years for stat padding just cuz. But it's making big money biznes money when you biznes business so what the f*** do I know about storytelling lol.
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Post by Citizen Grimm on Jul 2, 2023 0:21:19 GMT -5
I wonder if Roman blames Solo for this going forward? Solo did hesitate just a little before trying to splash Jimmy through unsuitable after all. This is where my interest lies. There was a moment during the match that I think Solo saw a weakness in Roman. Right after the Usos kicked out of the stacked pin, Roman collapses and is practically in tears, doing nothing. It isn’t until Solo starts attacking the Usos and yelling at Roman that the Tribal Chief snaps back to reality. Roman’s going to blame Solo. The only question is when Solo decides trust he’s outgrown Roman and betrays/leaves him.
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Jul 2, 2023 0:21:33 GMT -5
If you ever want proof a match can be great when 3/4 of it was meh then here you go
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jul 2, 2023 1:07:37 GMT -5
Preface: I'm not watching rn because it's better for my mental health that way but...I don't get why any of this couldn't be the follow up to Roman losing to Cody or Sami at WM or Elimination Chamber cuz like. The belts feel so superfluous to the story they're telling outside of IDK the marketability of Roman having a bunch of world titles around for shirts and his entrance and shit? Why couldn't Cody/Sami beat Roman, then the Bloodline falls apart? The many year nobody can touch Roman deal ending by Jey pinning him makes sense, but it also is like. You had to go over everyone just to lose to your cousin lol. Wasn't the whole point of him being so un-pinnable to make it a big deal when whoever beat him for the belts pinned him? Again I'm not watching so like truckload of salt with everything I'm saying here cuz this whole angle just isn't for me, it just makes me miserable, I just don't see the point of dragging this out 5 years for stat padding just cuz. But it's making big money biznes money when you biznes business so what the f*** do I know about storytelling lol. It's odd that this story is showing how useless the belts really are in the grand scheme of things. Would this storyline be better if the belts were out of it already? Maybe. Would Rhodes's run in the last three months have been better if he had the belts? Also maybe. Nobody's wrong for feeling like the belts are in the wrong storylines at this point, but I feel like the reasons for this are for the purposes the belts serve outside the storyline narrative, ie the belts being the on-screen validation for a talent's hard work and being the credibility shortcut in the eyes of the fans that aren't watching week-to-week.
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Post by ghost on Jul 2, 2023 1:17:33 GMT -5
Roman was right about this being filet mignon and not fast food. I was one of the few (only?) who wanted him to retain at Mania even though I know it made no sense from a storyline standpoint, but credit to WWE for extending the story and keeping it as compelling as it was prior to WM. It might even be more compelling now. Also, Roman's had a God Tier run. The Usos, Solo, and Sami are all elevated from this story, and Cody finally winning the belt at 40 (which has to be the plan I would think) is going to be a massive moment. If I ordered Filet Mignon but my waiter kept punching me in the face for 3 years while I was waiting I'd probably think id rather have gone to McDonald's Well the storyline probably feels great to me because I don’t watch the product, only YouTube clips if something peaks my interest. So my viewing of Roman’s run has been fairly limited compared to people who have watched every week for the past 3 years. The Bloodline storyline, almost the only WWE related thing I actually try to find online every week, has gotten better in quality as it has progressed since last year. I can’t speak on 2020-21 since the pandemic is a blur to me, but 2022-onwards has felt like high quality writing and acting. But I can see why people who watch week to week might feel differently.
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Post by Bo Rida on Jul 2, 2023 3:04:52 GMT -5
If I ordered Filet Mignon but my waiter kept punching me in the face for 3 years while I was waiting I'd probably think id rather have gone to McDonald's Well the storyline probably feels great to me because I don’t watch the product, only YouTube clips if something peaks my interest. So my viewing of Roman’s run has been fairly limited compared to people who have watched every week for the past 3 years. The Bloodline storyline, almost the only WWE related thing I actually try to find online every week, has gotten better in quality as it has progressed since last year. I can’t speak on 2020-21 since the pandemic is a blur to me, but 2022-onwards has felt like high quality writing and acting. But I can see why people who watch week to week might feel differently. It's interesting that it used to feel like they were booking individual moments for social media. Trying to get a shot of a a fan pulling a face like when the streak ended than telling a coherent story. Now those moments are linked in a more coherent story but it's so dragged out that it's still best suited to watching on social media. However ratings going up suggest it works in converting those watching on YouTube, twitter etc into more regular viewers.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jul 2, 2023 3:49:48 GMT -5
They can't stretch this out to 40 any longer, Bloodline is dead, Usos have pinned Roman. All that's left is for Heyman to go with Solo. Unless they do a "I just want my family back" arch with Roman turning face. They do have some stuff to do with Roman DESTROYING Sami, but other than that, Roman is no longer the mad king, he's gotta fall.
Roman is dropping the belts now, sooner rather than later.
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Post by eJm on Jul 2, 2023 4:05:48 GMT -5
They can't stretch this out to 40 any longer, Bloodline is dead, Usos have pinned Roman. All that's left is for Heyman to go with Solo. Unless they do a "I just want my family back" arch with Roman turning face. They do have some stuff to do with Roman DESTROYING Sami, but other than that, Roman is no longer the mad king, he's gotta fall. Roman is dropping the belts now, sooner rather than later. Should they stretch this to WrestleMania? Probably not. Considering how hot things have been and how much has been sacrificed to keep this thing going, Will they stretch it to WrestleMania? Absolutely.
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Post by Super Duper Dragunov on Jul 2, 2023 5:50:02 GMT -5
Preface: I'm not watching rn because it's better for my mental health that way but...I don't get why any of this couldn't be the follow up to Roman losing to Cody or Sami at WM or Elimination Chamber cuz like. The belts feel so superfluous to the story they're telling outside of IDK the marketability of Roman having a bunch of world titles around for shirts and his entrance and shit? Why couldn't Cody/Sami beat Roman, then the Bloodline falls apart? The many year nobody can touch Roman deal ending by Jey pinning him makes sense, but it also is like. You had to go over everyone just to lose to your cousin lol. Wasn't the whole point of him being so un-pinnable to make it a big deal when whoever beat him for the belts pinned him? Again I'm not watching so like truckload of salt with everything I'm saying here cuz this whole angle just isn't for me, it just makes me miserable, I just don't see the point of dragging this out 5 years for stat padding just cuz. But it's making big money biznes money when you biznes business so what the f*** do I know about storytelling lol. It's odd that this story is showing how useless the belts really are in the grand scheme of things. Would this storyline be better if the belts were out of it already? Maybe. Would Rhodes's run in the last three months have been better if he had the belts? Also maybe. Nobody's wrong for feeling like the belts are in the wrong storylines at this point, but I feel like the reasons for this are for the purposes the belts serve outside the storyline narrative, ie the belts being the on-screen validation for a talent's hard work and being the credibility shortcut in the eyes of the fans that aren't watching week-to-week. Yup. Roman still gets to be "Head of the Table" because he's still the Champion. It 100% validates his claim. Sure he could call himself that even if he lost the belt to Cody at WM, but "Tribal Chief/Head of the Table" wouldn't carry as much storyline weight as it does right now. Yes nothing happened for a long time, but people saying nothing's happened in the last 3+ years just isn't true. The last 6-10 months have been chock full of storybeats, and damn good ones at that.
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Post by avenger on Jul 2, 2023 6:29:38 GMT -5
It's odd that this story is showing how useless the belts really are in the grand scheme of things. Would this storyline be better if the belts were out of it already? Maybe. Would Rhodes's run in the last three months have been better if he had the belts? Also maybe. Nobody's wrong for feeling like the belts are in the wrong storylines at this point, but I feel like the reasons for this are for the purposes the belts serve outside the storyline narrative, ie the belts being the on-screen validation for a talent's hard work and being the credibility shortcut in the eyes of the fans that aren't watching week-to-week. Yup. Roman still gets to be "Head of the Table" because he's still the Champion. It 100% validates his claim. Sure he could call himself that even if he lost the belt to Cody at WM, but "Tribal Chief/Head of the Table" wouldn't carry as much storyline weight as it does right now. Yes nothing happened for a long time, but people saying nothing's happened in the last 3+ years just isn't true. The last 6-10 months have been chock full of storybeats, and damn good ones at that. And one of the reasons it's gone on so long is that Sami being the self-proclaimed locker-room leader, and trying to become an honorary Uce was supposed to be a throwaway storyline to lead to a title match on a B PPV. It clicked with the crowd, boosted ratings, so they ran with it, and got paid back with the Sami thread in the story catching fire. Ratings went up even more, whether Roman was on Smackdown or not. But they stayed strong when Sami wasn't on, and it was just the Usos. The storyline has done for Smackdown ratings what Cody has done for Raw's. Another reason is that Heyman's writing this. His fingerprints are all over this - long storyline with a long reigning champion, everyone booked to their strengths, callbacks left, right and centre.
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Post by avenger on Jul 2, 2023 6:41:34 GMT -5
I must begrudgingly admit there’s even a case that Cody/Roman 2 is even more rich in story now because it looks like they’re doing right by everybody. Cody called the whole fall of the Bloodline beat for beat and that’s some heroic babyface shit too. I also hate to admit it myself but you might be right. Like, they have time to mess it all up (because there’s historical precedence and Daniel Bryan only happened because the fans know of that precedence) but outside of having Cody/Brock feud for literally zero reason (and no, Wade Barrett’s off the cuff reasoning is not one I’ll accept because that literally goes against what we know about Brock Lesnar’s character in terms of a prize fighter), it seems like it’s all going to some kind of plan right now. Can't remember where I read it, it might have been the Observer, but they're going for the same story of Dusty Rhodes chasing Flair for the title in the mid 80s. Starrcade 84, Flair beats Rhodes controversially (specfila ref Joe Frazier stops the match because of blood), and it takes seventeen months (including a Dusty Finish at Starrcade 85) for Dusty to win the title, as various heels put themselves in his path to try and stop him becoming champion.
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