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Post by Gerard Gerard on Jul 11, 2023 21:30:18 GMT -5
It generally (and understandably) gets lost in the events of the time, but 2007 was also a really hot year for WWE by a lot of metrics until it tragically wasn’t.
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Post by XIII on Jul 12, 2023 8:21:42 GMT -5
WWE business is booming so by semantics they are in a boom period. I don’t think that they’re as transcendent as the Hulkamania or Attitude eras…but I’m also not sure if that’s even possible anymore with the huge assortment of places to stream/entertainment options either.
Tons of wrestlers can have a 5 star wrestling match now…and because of that actual good stories stand out even further. Non-fans aren’t going to care about a random 27 star match or whether someone does an avalanche Burning Hammer or whatever but they will possibly be drawn in if there’s an overarching story arc that cohesively builds every week as in the Bloodline.
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Post by Loser troll. Please ban me on Jul 12, 2023 9:18:14 GMT -5
They really did earn it.
*Checks notes*
blood money partnership with Saudis, Merge with a company whose front man chums around with and parades around a felon with 30+ convictions, Hiring YT celebs who film suicide victims and disrespect local customs for views, hiring insanely toxic wrestlers back, quite literally just one storyline, reinstating sex offending ceo
You deserve it, clap clap clapclapclap (x3)
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Post by Joker on Jul 12, 2023 9:25:33 GMT -5
Looks at roster, I'm not seeing a big iconic babyface leading this "boom period". That's the metric.
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Post by Schizo on Jul 12, 2023 9:41:07 GMT -5
They really did earn it. *Checks notes* blood money partnership with Saudis, Merge with a company whose front man chums around with and parades around a felon with 30+ convictions, Hiring YT celebs who film suicide victims and disrespect local customs for views, hiring insanely toxic wrestlers back, quite literally just one storyline, reinstating sex offending ceoYou deserve it, clap clap clapclapclap (x3) You must be a hit at parties
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jul 12, 2023 9:47:57 GMT -5
Looks at roster, I'm not seeing a big iconic babyface leading this "boom period". That's the metric. The company, duh.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Jul 12, 2023 10:02:56 GMT -5
It generally (and understandably) gets lost in the events of the time, but 2007 was also a really hot year for WWE by a lot of metrics until it tragically wasn’t. I think it started in late 04/early 05 with the HHH/Batista story. That did huge numbers on TV and PPV and they kept the momentum for a couple years. When that feud ended Cena moved to Raw and cemented himself as the top guy. Hogan/HBK was big. Cena/Edge carried Raw for basically a year and did great business. The DX reunion was a big draw. Trish/Mickie was one of the first big successes in terms of their women's division. WM23 became the biggest drawing WM until 2012. The first Cena/Orton feud before it was overdone drew a massive buyrate for Summerslam 2007. Around that summer though the combination of Benoit plus a bunch of injuries and suspensions halted the momentum a bit. Although in that case it was more Raw that was hot. I don't think Smackdown was doing all that great after Cena left in 05. 2006 especially was not a good year with Rey being booked horribly as champion and the terrible Batista/Booker feud. Here though it's not just one show that is hot. Smackdown hosts the Bloodline stuff but Raw is doing great numbers too.
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Post by Renslayer on Jul 12, 2023 10:08:36 GMT -5
It generally (and understandably) gets lost in the events of the time, but 2007 was also a really hot year for WWE by a lot of metrics until it tragically wasn’t. I think it started in late 04/early 05 with the HHH/Batista story. That did huge numbers on TV and PPV and they kept the momentum for a couple years. When that feud ended Cena moved to Raw and cemented himself as the top guy. Hogan/HBK was big. Cena/Edge carried Raw for basically a year and did great business. The DX reunion was a big draw. Trish/Mickie was one of the first big successes in terms of their women's division. WM23 became the biggest drawing WM until 2012. The first Cena/Orton feud before it was overdone drew a massive buyrate for Summerslam 2007. Around that summer though the combination of Benoit plus a bunch of injuries and suspensions halted the momentum a bit. Although in that case it was more Raw that was hot. I don't think Smackdown was doing all that great after Cena left in 05. 2006 especially was not a good year with Rey being booked horribly as champion and the terrible Batista/Booker feud. Here though it's not just one show that is hot. Smackdown hosts the Bloodline stuff but Raw is doing great numbers too. Was it 2006 where smackdown had all those injuries happen at once and that weird great American bash PPV when so many people were out due to some weird drug violation?
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Jul 12, 2023 10:21:58 GMT -5
I think it started in late 04/early 05 with the HHH/Batista story. That did huge numbers on TV and PPV and they kept the momentum for a couple years. When that feud ended Cena moved to Raw and cemented himself as the top guy. Hogan/HBK was big. Cena/Edge carried Raw for basically a year and did great business. The DX reunion was a big draw. Trish/Mickie was one of the first big successes in terms of their women's division. WM23 became the biggest drawing WM until 2012. The first Cena/Orton feud before it was overdone drew a massive buyrate for Summerslam 2007. Around that summer though the combination of Benoit plus a bunch of injuries and suspensions halted the momentum a bit. Although in that case it was more Raw that was hot. I don't think Smackdown was doing all that great after Cena left in 05. 2006 especially was not a good year with Rey being booked horribly as champion and the terrible Batista/Booker feud. Here though it's not just one show that is hot. Smackdown hosts the Bloodline stuff but Raw is doing great numbers too. Was it 2006 where smackdown had all those injuries happen at once and that weird great American bash PPV when so many people were out due to some weird drug violation? Yeah half of the card was changed at the last minute. It was supposed to be Batista v Henry, Taker v Khali, Lashley v Finlay and Helms v Super Crazy but Henry got injured and Khali/Lashley/Crazy were all pulled due to "elevated liver enzymes". Looking at that card even if everything went ahead as planned it hardly looks like a barn-burner. Outside of GAB, Smackdown didn't have a great year in general. Batista missed the first half of the year and even when he returned kinda sucked until the Taker feud the following year. Angle was getting more and more broken down until he was eventually sent to ECW then released. Orton got suspended. Rey needed one of his many knee surgeries and ended up missing nearly a year. JBL retired. Benoit missed months. Somehow Undertaker who was already in his 40s and beaten down himself by that point was probably their most dependable top guy that year.
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Post by Fundertaker on Jul 12, 2023 10:32:44 GMT -5
I think it started in late 04/early 05 with the HHH/Batista story. That did huge numbers on TV and PPV and they kept the momentum for a couple years. When that feud ended Cena moved to Raw and cemented himself as the top guy. Hogan/HBK was big. Cena/Edge carried Raw for basically a year and did great business. The DX reunion was a big draw. Trish/Mickie was one of the first big successes in terms of their women's division. WM23 became the biggest drawing WM until 2012. The first Cena/Orton feud before it was overdone drew a massive buyrate for Summerslam 2007. Around that summer though the combination of Benoit plus a bunch of injuries and suspensions halted the momentum a bit. Although in that case it was more Raw that was hot. I don't think Smackdown was doing all that great after Cena left in 05. 2006 especially was not a good year with Rey being booked horribly as champion and the terrible Batista/Booker feud. Here though it's not just one show that is hot. Smackdown hosts the Bloodline stuff but Raw is doing great numbers too. Was it 2006 where smackdown had all those injuries happen at once and that weird great American bash PPV when so many people were out due to some weird drug violation? AHEM! "Elevated Liver Enzimes"!
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Post by lemonyellowson on Jul 15, 2023 15:02:33 GMT -5
Until I see a WWE version of Gogglebox no! I never knew I needed this. But I need this
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Post by The Legend of Groose on Jul 15, 2023 15:26:56 GMT -5
Logan Paul comes to WWE and now people say it's a boom period. Hey, I'm not telling you anything that you don't already know.
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Post by wildojinx on Jul 16, 2023 11:03:11 GMT -5
The main issue is that the last two boom periods were mainly face-dominated, while right now the top star is a heel (and the Bloodline arent "cool heels" like the nwo either). Lets see what happens when Roman finally drops the belt.
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Jul 16, 2023 11:30:43 GMT -5
Is WWE in a new BOOM period? Smackdown may have won the week. Sure it's summer, but it's never been done before. RAW is must watch for me. I can't remember the last bad PLE. Smackdown did, in fact, win the week last week in 18-49 with a .76 Second place was the Macys 4th of July Fireworks special.
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Post by mountaindew on Jul 16, 2023 11:51:23 GMT -5
This is definitely the closest it's been to a boom period since 2001.
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Post by Rudy Gobert Weather Machine on Jul 16, 2023 11:55:51 GMT -5
Is WWE in a new BOOM period? Smackdown may have won the week. Sure it's summer, but it's never been done before. RAW is must watch for me. I can't remember the last bad PLE. Smackdown did, in fact, win the week last week in 18-49 with a .76 Second place was the Macys 4th of July Fireworks special. Roman Reigns literally beat America for the 2nd time this year.
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Post by Ganon83 on Jul 16, 2023 11:57:39 GMT -5
It's a boom for wrestling in general, but WWE itself is on a different level business wise.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Jul 17, 2023 16:27:44 GMT -5
The main issue is that the last two boom periods were mainly face-dominated, while right now the top star is a heel (and the Bloodline arent "cool heels" like the nwo either). Lets see what happens when Roman finally drops the belt. Cody is right there. By whatever metric you want, he's their next Guy
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jul 17, 2023 16:39:51 GMT -5
I think they've got an insanely hot angle still with the Bloodline that makes it's segments must watch, but I personally think the only other thing really hitting is Gunther. Cody is still insanely over don't get me wrong, but gotta move him away from Brock
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jul 17, 2023 16:49:56 GMT -5
I think they've got an insanely hot angle still with the Bloodline that makes it's segments must watch, but I personally think the only other thing really hitting is Gunther. Cody is still insanely over don't get me wrong, but gotta move him away from Brock Not giving Cody/Brock a real story hook feels like one of the weirdest missteps ever especially for a company where people are talking about the biggest angle being mostly full of story context and callbacks. Like, they can still do it but man, they could be making so much more of a first time feud between the two.
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