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Post by SneakMan on Jul 23, 2023 0:27:14 GMT -5
Starks is much better as a face. Punk as a face is malpractice on Khan’s part. It’s back to only Dynamite for me until Punk gets portrayed in a manner the fans will buy into and invest their time watching the Saturday night product. I don't know how you came out of that thinking CM Punk is also a face, he did everything he could to tell you he's an asshole too. cjb, my friend, he got paired with the very-obviously-a-face Darby Allin against Starks, who is a cheater, and Christian who is the biggest piece of shit on the roster not named MJF. And, since I was there live, I also had the pleasure of watching him do the whole post show “send the crowd home happy” promo. He is a face. He’s just an obnoxious, unlikable, “polarizing” face a la John Cena. Anyway, 6/10 since I was there live. Would’ve been a 5 otherwise as per usual. It’s AEW trying desperately to do a WWE-esque show and I am really not about it. Luckily tickets were cheap but I probably won’t go again so long as Mr. Brooks and his redneck lapdogs are focal points.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 23, 2023 0:30:52 GMT -5
I don't know how you came out of that thinking CM Punk is also a face, he did everything he could to tell you he's an asshole too. cjb, my friend, he got paired with the very-obviously-a-face Darby Allin against Starks, who is a cheater, and Christian who is the biggest piece of shit on the roster not named MJF. And, since I was there live, I also had the pleasure of watching him do the whole post show “send the crowd home happy” promo. He is a face. He’s just an obnoxious, unlikable, “polarizing” face a la John Cena. Sneakeman, my friend, all due respect... Nah, I'm done calling him John Cena. John Cena never outright insulted crowds and did things to get heel heat like CM Punk is going at lengths to do. Cena only did that at like One Night Stand and such, Punk is deliberately being and acting like a heel, and teaming him with Darby isn't changing that he's leaning as heel as Ricky Starks is right now. No matter what I think of Cena, he still tried to act like the do-gooder A LOT of the time and even try and get the crowds on his side for better or worse, Punk's not, he's leaning much more into a heel presence with that promo tonight. Punk cutting a "send the crowd home happy" promo isn't canon to the show so I also don't see why you'd use that as a defense to him staying face.
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Post by Facetious on Jul 23, 2023 0:31:11 GMT -5
Collision has some fine stuff week to week, but I wish I had more things to bite onto. I like FTR and BCG, but the Andrade stuff is impossible to get into. I'd also like to see Miro and Andrade/HOB move a bit faster.
6/10.
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Post by Doo Doo Dickhead on Jul 23, 2023 4:20:51 GMT -5
I can't believe no one's brought up Ian Riccaboni, in a very serious voice as if somebody just died, asking if this was it for Daddy Ass. God, I love wrestling.
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Post by KME on Jul 23, 2023 7:25:41 GMT -5
8. I really enjoyed it despite not really expecting to based on the 3 matches announced. Opening promo was great, Ricky came off like a total star and the never ending pyro was hilarious, as was Christian's line about someone who isn't champion carrying the belt. BCG vs Andretti and Darius was a lot of fun, really looking forward to the match next week with Vikingo involved as well. Miro's squash over delivered, having him actually take some offence and come roaring back got the crowd waaay more into it than any squash usually does. HOB/Acclaimed was a bit of a nothing match but guess that's by design with Billy losing out of nowhere, if that's actually it for him it's a weird way to do it but if it's anything else then I love the story they're telling with him because the payoff would be amazing wherever they ended up doing it, All In in front of their biggest crowd, All Out where The Acclaimed should have been crowned a year ago, or Grand Slam where they eventually were. Taya/Skye Blue was very good too I thought, was surprised to see Taya win, but yeah all good and then I really loved the main event, I know some are going to be down on Ricky being a heel and Punk being a face but Punk was taking jabs at the crowd earlier in the night too, it's clearly going to be a bit more nuanced than him just being a straight babyface long term. I love Ricky as a heel too and think the eventual turn back face will make him even more popular. Commentary was glorious again and they set up a hell of a card for next week too so I was happy all round.
The whole "feels like WWE" thing just feels like a lazy comparison to me, they're trying to make it feel like a very different show to Dynamite, by doing that they're going to do things that WWE do, because Dynamite does things wildly differently to WWe. The tropes they're adding like showing the arena from the outside, setting up a main event in the opening promo etc have been done by WWE in the past but they're completely inoffensive, they're not the reason people were desperate for an alternative. If they take to not delivering matches, never giving the most over people their moment, having a million camera cuts every two seconds, become PG, take blood money, having a billion recap videos every show, sure, I'd have a problem with them doing things WWE do, but the things they're doing now? Don't see a big issue personally.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jul 23, 2023 7:58:05 GMT -5
Was there live, and two things were simultaneously true: I wasn’t thrilled with the in-ring action I got compared to other AEW shows I’ve been to, but the crowd was into things, it moved briskly, and I still enjoyed most of what went on. So maybe a 6.5 or 7?
Didn’t get to stay for the post show ROH matches, but hey, one of the preshow dark matches had Fallah Bah! …getting killed by Hobbs, but still, BAH!
Ooh, don’t know how it looked on TV but I thought Blue vs Taya was low key really good.
Other downside: more obnoxious crowd than I’ve usually experienced at AEW shows. Damn those Colliders!
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jul 23, 2023 8:08:05 GMT -5
On the Punk/Darby/Starks stuff I hate to use this term but it felt like shades of gray. Darby is a face but even in his promo he seemed to be hamming it up a bit more than usual so I think the idea was he was just having fun with the crowd hating on Punk.
Actually I take that back I think the idea for Punk and Starks is supposed to be that both are cocky assholes.
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Post by firsttimelongtime on Jul 23, 2023 8:21:54 GMT -5
Was there live, and two things were simultaneously true: I wasn’t thrilled with the in-ring action I got compared to other AEW shows I’ve been to, but the crowd was into things, it moved briskly, and I still enjoyed most of what went on. So maybe a 6.5 or 7? Didn’t get to stay for the post show ROH matches, but hey, one of the preshow dark matches had Fallah Bah! …getting killed by Hobbs, but still, BAH! Ooh, don’t know how it looked on TV but I thought Blue vs Taya was low key really good. Other downside: more obnoxious crowd than I’ve usually experienced at AEW shows. Damn those Colliders! What would you say the split was in terms of pro/anti Punk?
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Post by Harry The Arrow was Wrong! on Jul 23, 2023 9:06:05 GMT -5
Went with a 7. Good show minus the Punk stuff. Darby saying he respects anybody who is ride or die with AEW...like my hood friend Punk was so hilarious and forced. Tk man, give it a rest. Just make Punk a heel.
That shit aside, Starks was awesome tonight event though I wish he'd stay a face.
Surprised Taya beat Skye Blue but at least she's doing something I guess. Not looking for to her facing Britt and probably losing.
FTR balds promo was hilariously awful. Good lord man. They absolutely should lose next week
Bullet Club Gold continue to be great
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Post by Mid-Carder on Jul 23, 2023 9:16:36 GMT -5
I really enjoyed the show but still feel like a couple of stories need to be progressed a little quicker.
Punk is playing this mixed reaction masterfully but I kind of hope if the Punk/Starks feud is continuing that they do a double turn. Starks never really got going as a face.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jul 23, 2023 9:16:57 GMT -5
Was there live, and two things were simultaneously true: I wasn’t thrilled with the in-ring action I got compared to other AEW shows I’ve been to, but the crowd was into things, it moved briskly, and I still enjoyed most of what went on. So maybe a 6.5 or 7? Didn’t get to stay for the post show ROH matches, but hey, one of the preshow dark matches had Fallah Bah! …getting killed by Hobbs, but still, BAH! Ooh, don’t know how it looked on TV but I thought Blue vs Taya was low key really good. Other downside: more obnoxious crowd than I’ve usually experienced at AEW shows. Damn those Colliders! What would you say the split was in terms of pro/anti Punk? Wasn’t easy to tell, all parts of the crowd were loud about him so no matter what both sides were well represented. I’d guess it was more pro Punk, but not by very much, though I did think the Punk chants were louder when the crowd did dueling ones for him and Starks. Now, the crowd in Trenton for the ROH show definitely booed when the screen showed the Collision card for the next night and Punk’s face popped up. Either way, the guy is getting major reactions, so in the end that’s going to end up being good for business and they’re definitely leaning in heavily on it (e.g. Punk insulting the local team and Darby clearly hamming it up when he put his arm around Punk at the start of the show). With Starks, I think it’s pretty easy to play him as a tweener if you want. Has he cheated in his last couple matches? Yep, but it wasn’t egregious “past the moral event horizon” stuff. Disrespected Liger? For sure, but hey, he’s egotistical, and plenty of top wrestlers have been that. We’ll see what they do, but it wouldn’t be very hard to have him lean into heel tendencies while still getting cheered.
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Post by Kalmia on Jul 23, 2023 10:06:44 GMT -5
I don't think I can rate this one. Promo trains leading to the main event are my most hated trope in pro wrestling. I stopped watching WWE and thought I'd escaped it so seeing it open an AEW show just put me in a foul mood and nothing on the show managed to lift that mood.
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Post by ianriccaboni on Jul 23, 2023 10:52:09 GMT -5
I can't believe no one's brought up Ian Riccaboni, in a very serious voice as if somebody just died, asking if this was it for Daddy Ass. God, I love wrestling. Very sad day if this is it for Daddy Ass.
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Post by Fade on Jul 23, 2023 10:56:09 GMT -5
Collision has some fine stuff week to week, but I wish I had more things to bite onto. I like FTR and BCG, but the Andrade stuff is impossible to get into. I'd also like to see Miro and Andrade/HOB move a bit faster. 6/10. On a serious note, I had the same thought during House of Blacks entrance. I like hob but, it’s like the same few acts getting reused week to week.
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Post by The Ichi on Jul 23, 2023 10:57:58 GMT -5
cjb, my friend, he got paired with the very-obviously-a-face Darby Allin against Starks, who is a cheater, and Christian who is the biggest piece of shit on the roster not named MJF. And, since I was there live, I also had the pleasure of watching him do the whole post show “send the crowd home happy” promo. He is a face. He’s just an obnoxious, unlikable, “polarizing” face a la John Cena. Sneakeman, my friend, all due respect... Nah, I'm done calling him John Cena. John Cena never outright insulted crowds and did things to get heel heat like CM Punk is going at lengths to do. Cena only did that at like One Night Stand and such, Punk is deliberately being and acting like a heel, and teaming him with Darby isn't changing that he's leaning as heel as Ricky Starks is right now. No matter what I think of Cena, he still tried to act like the do-gooder A LOT of the time and even try and get the crowds on his side for better or worse, Punk's not, he's leaning much more into a heel presence with that promo tonight. Punk cutting a "send the crowd home happy" promo isn't canon to the show so I also don't see why you'd use that as a defense to him staying face. He's still a face.
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Post by Fade on Jul 23, 2023 11:01:33 GMT -5
Sneakeman, my friend, all due respect... Nah, I'm done calling him John Cena. John Cena never outright insulted crowds and did things to get heel heat like CM Punk is going at lengths to do. Cena only did that at like One Night Stand and such, Punk is deliberately being and acting like a heel, and teaming him with Darby isn't changing that he's leaning as heel as Ricky Starks is right now. No matter what I think of Cena, he still tried to act like the do-gooder A LOT of the time and even try and get the crowds on his side for better or worse, Punk's not, he's leaning much more into a heel presence with that promo tonight. Punk cutting a "send the crowd home happy" promo isn't canon to the show so I also don't see why you'd use that as a defense to him staying face. He's still a face. The company’s positioning him as a face while he feels like he’s having fun with it and occasionally giving crowds that shit on him, shit back. It’s like if instead of Cody desperately wanting the fans to love him, he was bitter and passive aggressive about it. I really am not sure which is worse.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 23, 2023 16:59:20 GMT -5
Sneakeman, my friend, all due respect... Nah, I'm done calling him John Cena. John Cena never outright insulted crowds and did things to get heel heat like CM Punk is going at lengths to do. Cena only did that at like One Night Stand and such, Punk is deliberately being and acting like a heel, and teaming him with Darby isn't changing that he's leaning as heel as Ricky Starks is right now. No matter what I think of Cena, he still tried to act like the do-gooder A LOT of the time and even try and get the crowds on his side for better or worse, Punk's not, he's leaning much more into a heel presence with that promo tonight. Punk cutting a "send the crowd home happy" promo isn't canon to the show so I also don't see why you'd use that as a defense to him staying face. He's still a face. You're free to think that, I don't think it's entirely true I also don't think he's being passive aggressive or bitter he's totally playing into the reactons and wants to get booed. He's doing that entirely with a point, and it's nothing like how Cody outright said "I refuse to turn heel", Punk has all the signs that he eventually is gonna snap and do so.
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Post by Billie Gein on Jul 23, 2023 17:50:37 GMT -5
I didn't watch, sorry to my fellow COLLIDERS and jabronie marks etc.
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Post by Doo Doo Dickhead on Jul 24, 2023 7:53:40 GMT -5
I can't believe no one's brought up Ian Riccaboni, in a very serious voice as if somebody just died, asking if this was it for Daddy Ass. God, I love wrestling. Very sad day if this is it for Daddy Ass. Please tell TK we need a segment where Daddy Ass comes out wearing a salmon suit to announce his retirement, but swerves everyone and kicks CM Punk's ass.
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