Sephiroth
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Post by Sephiroth on Jul 26, 2023 10:22:23 GMT -5
I wouldn't go that far. Notable examples of being successful during a down period for them certainly but X-Men made significantly less money than Batman Forever did and just a bit more than Batman & Robin, and that's without even getting into the 89 movie or Superman. Fair enough. I guess you can say this put Marvel movies on the map? Batman and Superman movies are always popular. Batman Forever had several of the hottest stats on the planet at that time, and it was riding on the legacy of TimmBurton’s installments. C Men was an experiment.
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Post by Fade on Jul 26, 2023 15:32:37 GMT -5
Maybe it’s nostalgia but for me the first two Spider-Man movies are still the best. Some people online seem to make fun of Tobey but I think he’s good in the role, especially 2. Have seen the newer ones with Holland once each, but don’t really feel the need to ever watch them again. What makes them stand out to me is they feel very “stand-alone”. The first two. Not required to be a step in future sequels and a greater universe, which the Holland flicks cannot afford. I wouldn't go that far. Notable examples of being successful during a down period for them certainly but X-Men made significantly less money than Batman Forever did and just a bit more than Batman & Robin, and that's without even getting into the 89 movie or Superman. Fair enough. I guess you can say this put Marvel movies on the map? Batman and Superman movies are always popular. The put Marvel on the map, lord knows Marvel Comics had a different public perception at the time, and restored faith in Superhero films. Batman Begins had a huge role in this as well. Pit is not hyperbole that Batman & Robin f***ed shit up bad for a while.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jul 26, 2023 15:41:43 GMT -5
Pit is not hyperbole that Batman & Robin f***ed shit up bad for a while. Eh, honestly it kind of is. X-Men was already in the works well before that point and Blade was out the year after B&R. Not that Blade was a gigantic hit really but it was received well. It did certainly derail DC for awhile, but honestly when you look past Batman and Superman DC's movie output has pretty much always been total garbage.
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Post by BorneAgain on Jul 26, 2023 15:42:26 GMT -5
I'd say X-Men's big success was demonstrating that a comic book ensemble movie could work. Solo movies had had some success and Hollywood had gone for comedic variations like Mystery Men, but the 2000 film was the first one to have a team based comic book film (yeah yeah Wolverine main character and so forth) and have it be reasonably successful.
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Post by Fade on Jul 26, 2023 15:47:51 GMT -5
Pit is not hyperbole that Batman & Robin f***ed shit up bad for a while. Eh, honestly it kind of is. X-Men was already in the works well before that point and Blade was out the year after B&R. Not that Blade was a gigantic hit really but it was received well. It did certainly derail DC for awhile, but honestly when you look past Batman and Superman DC's movie output has pretty much always been total garbage. But that’s the thing: the only real big tried and true successes of it were Batman & Superman. I concede Blade was a bit of an outlier, but both Blade and X-Men played into the “reality” aspect of it and shy’d away from the previous superhero flicks “fantastic” element, which Spidey brought back.
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Post by BorneAgain on Jul 26, 2023 16:03:38 GMT -5
I think comic book movies were always bound to come back; what the gradual combination of Blade, X-Men, Spider-Man did was demonstrate the value of real investment in them by studios if they kept things reasonably faithful and didn't get obsessed with toy sales to the point where it bogged down the movie. It was the critical lesson of "treat the material with respect financially and creatively" Hollywood needed after so consistently treating comic adaptations as cheap or thoughtless junk when there wasn't a Donner or Burton to fight for them.
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Post by Fade on Jul 26, 2023 16:23:24 GMT -5
I think comic book movies were always bound to come back; what the gradual combination of Blade, X-Men, Spider-Man did was demonstrate the value of real investment in them by studios if they kept things reasonably faithful and didn't get obsessed with toy sales to the point where it bogged down the movie. It was the critical lesson of "treat the material with respect financially and creatively" Hollywood needed after so consistently treating comic adaptations as cheap or thoughtless junk when there wasn't a Donner or Burton to fight for them. Let’s not forget about Steel
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Post by XIII on Jul 26, 2023 16:35:18 GMT -5
Seeing that in the theater was an entirely other level. There were basically zero superhero movies at that point(other than Batman d Superman years earlier) and people were losing their minds.
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Post by Zaq "That Guy" Buzzkill on Jul 26, 2023 17:28:42 GMT -5
You know, I'm something of a Spider-Man fan myself.
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Post by Jake, The Jake, Jake on Jul 27, 2023 13:19:45 GMT -5
Of all the Spiderman film franchises that have existed in my lifetime its ranked at a comfortable 2nd.
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Sephiroth
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Post by Sephiroth on Jul 27, 2023 13:26:40 GMT -5
I wouldn't go that far. Notable examples of being successful during a down period for them certainly but X-Men made significantly less money than Batman Forever did and just a bit more than Batman & Robin, and that's without even getting into the 89 movie or Superman. Fair enough. I guess you can say this put Marvel movies on the map? Batman and Superman movies are always popular. My version is thst C Men officially priced a super hero movie could look good. Spider Man officially launched the craze.
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