Talent Name
Ozymandius
Got fined anyway. Possibly a Moose
James Franco is the white Donald Glover
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Post by Talent Name on Jul 31, 2023 8:08:32 GMT -5
His brother is far better than him
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Allie Kitsune
Crow T. Robot
Always Feelin' Foxy.
HaHa U FaLL 4 LaVa TriK
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jul 31, 2023 8:20:45 GMT -5
Wasn't he talking about wanting to train for the Olympics again not that long ago? In the appearances he's made, he also looked like he'd rather be anywhere but out there. Maybe this was WWE rushing him to TV hoping something something would click and he'd find some passion for this? Kinda wonder if he's just doing this for the sake of his brother. Like he knows if he bails, WWE's gonna release Damon Kemp to retaliate.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jul 31, 2023 8:30:01 GMT -5
Brock and Kurt had some developmental and dark matches so they had experience in front of crowds and in timed segments, they did Steveson dirty by not giving him any of that. I think this is why it'd be interesting to see the full story. Like, does NXT even still do the Florida tours to at least give people minutes? Maybe he had something in his contract where he didn't need to do that, which I wouldn't rule out because of his Olympic background and people wanting a piece of that post medal pie. Either way, doesn't look entirely good on either side without knowing that context.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jul 31, 2023 8:33:12 GMT -5
Brock and Kurt had some developmental and dark matches so they had experience in front of crowds and in timed segments, they did Steveson dirty by not giving him any of that. I think this is why it'd be interesting to see the full story. Like, does NXT even still do the Florida tours to at least give people minutes? Maybe he had something in his contract where he didn't need to do that, which I wouldn't rule out because of his Olympic background and people wanting a piece of that post medal pie. Either way, doesn't look entirely good on either side without knowing that context. They have gone back to doing Florida house shows every other weekend for the last few months now, but it is mostly the TV regulars getting booked.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jul 31, 2023 8:36:11 GMT -5
I think this is why it'd be interesting to see the full story. Like, does NXT even still do the Florida tours to at least give people minutes? Maybe he had something in his contract where he didn't need to do that, which I wouldn't rule out because of his Olympic background and people wanting a piece of that post medal pie. Either way, doesn't look entirely good on either side without knowing that context. They have gone back to doing Florida house shows every other weekend for the last few months now, but it is mostly the TV regulars getting booked. See, I get the logic, you still need to sell tickets to events and such and names do that, but that seems really weird to me.
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Post by TOK Is the Target Demo on Jul 31, 2023 8:37:44 GMT -5
I think Kurt, Brock and Ronda have made them think you can just put an athlete into wrestling and it'll work. But they're exceptions. Sylvester Turkay 2.0 Now I'm just upset that HBK didn't come out and smack Steveson and Corbin across the face like Inoki
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jul 31, 2023 8:40:35 GMT -5
They have gone back to doing Florida house shows every other weekend for the last few months now, but it is mostly the TV regulars getting booked. See, I get the logic, you still need to sell tickets to events and such and names do that, but that seems really weird to me. www.cagematch.net/?id=8&nr=1&page=8&name=Nxt&vDay=&vMonth=&vYear=&showtype=Event%7CHouse&location=&arena=®ion=It seems on average you might get one or two matches with people who haven’t gotten to the Level Up rotation, but even then you need an established talent on the other side to guide them through.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jul 31, 2023 8:42:06 GMT -5
Now I'm just upset that HBK didn't come out and smack Steveson and Corbin across the face like Inoki He’d be smacking around Booker T in this scenario, while clattering a chair against something and yelling at them to stop that bullshit.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jul 31, 2023 8:42:35 GMT -5
Even independent of his performance, why book him against an opponent that you don't feel comfortable beating right now? This is your star Olympic Gold Medalist's debut match. He should cruise to victory. He should be dominant. You build him up to a match like this down the road. And this is especially the case where he can't have a good enough match to wow the fans in spite of the finish. It would be one thing if he put on a Bad Buddy/Nick Wayne type performance where everyone is praising the match. Even if the match went perfectly according to the plan, the plan wasn't that great. Just have him destroy Javier Bernal and go from there.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jul 31, 2023 8:42:57 GMT -5
Which hey, not saying it should just be PC people stumbling through matches but even looking at some of those cards, if you can’t get even some matches with established talent taking people through with no real stakes to them having longer matches with them, where else is that going to happen? Even independent of his performance, why book him against an opponent that you don't feel comfortable beating right now? This is your star Olympic Gold Medalist's debut match. He should cruise to victory. He should be dominant. You build him up to a match like this down the road. And this is especially the case where he can't have a good enough match to wow the fans in spite of the finish. It would be one thing if he put on a Bad Buddy/Nick Wayne type performance where everyone is praising the match. Even if the match went perfectly according to the plan, the plan wasn't that great. Just have him destroy Javier Bernal and go from there. Yeah, that’s a weird thing too. Just have him face someone who can bump very well, have it last a minute at most and then you have Corbin eventually show up to him being like “I was in the NFL, go back to the indies” or whatever dumb thing Corbin can say.
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spagett
Hank Scorpio
Great Job!
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Post by spagett on Jul 31, 2023 9:01:03 GMT -5
If he wasn't such a real life scumbag I'd honestly feel sorry for him for the inevitable Kurt Angle comparisons.
Kurt Angle was an absolute freak, a once in a lifetime wrestler really. To be a genuine olympic gold medalist and then become one of the greatest wrestlers of all time, and also be absolutely brimming with charisma and character and manage to put it all together almost instantly. I mean within about 6 months he was already in the top 2 or 3 wrestlers in the entire company. He was ludicrously great.
To have to live up to that is close to impossible.
But as I said, he should really be in prison so it's funny to see what a disaster of a debut he had.
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Post by mistery on Jul 31, 2023 9:21:17 GMT -5
I honestly feel like the issue wasn't even who Gable was facing. It's just him as a person. He has an overwhelmingly negative perception even among casual fans due to his activities outside of the ring. It doesn't help that even overlooking that, the dude has negative levels of personality and charisma. A roll of paper towels has more personality than he does.
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Post by Main Eventer on Jul 31, 2023 9:39:27 GMT -5
I wonder if they changed the result mid match due to the crowd reaction. Makes no sense to me otherwise why Gable's debut match against a guy who could take the loss and not be to hurt by it ended the way it did.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jul 31, 2023 10:15:12 GMT -5
Haven’t seen the match yet but if it was really that awful, I assume they think he’s not picking it up, is halfway out the door with the Olympics coming up, and tried to throw him out there as trial by fire to see what would happen before he leaves. Or maybe they gave him so much money they’re trying to get him to quit, a la Mark Henry.
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Fade
Patti Mayonnaise
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Post by Fade on Jul 31, 2023 10:39:51 GMT -5
I wonder if they changed the result mid match due to the crowd reaction. Makes no sense to me otherwise why Gable's debut match against a guy who could take the loss and not be to hurt by it ended the way it did. The barricade spot makes me think it was planned, but I did wonder if they rushed to the finish.
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salz4life
Grimlock
Prichard is a guy who gets that his job is to service his boss.
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Post by salz4life on Jul 31, 2023 10:45:55 GMT -5
If he wasn't such a real life scumbag I'd honestly feel sorry for him for the inevitable Kurt Angle comparisons. Kurt Angle was an absolute freak, a once in a lifetime wrestler really. To be a genuine olympic gold medalist and then become one of the greatest wrestlers of all time, and also be absolutely brimming with charisma and character and manage to put it all together almost instantly. I mean within about 6 months he was already in the top 2 or 3 wrestlers in the entire company. He was ludicrously great. To have to live up to that is close to impossible. But as I said, he should really be in prison so it's funny to see what a disaster of a debut he had. Yeah, Angle was a once in a lifetime type amateur wrestler who ABSOLUTELY got "it" in every conceivable way from damn near the start of his professional career. Having Steveson pull a bit of an Angle and come out with his gold medal was putting the guy even further behind the eight-ball.
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Post by Numero Dos on Jul 31, 2023 10:46:44 GMT -5
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lucas_lee
Hank Scorpio
Heel turn is finished, now stripping away my personality
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Post by lucas_lee on Jul 31, 2023 10:49:26 GMT -5
Honestly WWE got a steal by hiring his brother (Damon Kemp) his brother is leagues ahead of him in terms of in-ring talent and honestly is probably a better person too (doesn't have vile accusations that he got lucky didn't go anywhere)
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Jonathan Michaels
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
The Archduke of Levity
Here since TNA was still kinda okay
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Jul 31, 2023 11:09:56 GMT -5
I genuinely believe Steveson’s ceiling, purely in terms of in ring work, is lower than where Logan Paul is right now.
And that is mildly insane.
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DichEvans
Samurai Cop
Lenny Lazy Lane Stinks
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Post by DichEvans on Jul 31, 2023 11:30:25 GMT -5
If they wanted a Kurt Angle type, why did they never push Jason Jordan or Chad Gable in this same way? I have seen them both at indies, and they were/are amazing in the ring
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