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Post by Mozenrath on Jul 31, 2023 15:20:15 GMT -5
NXT fans have been receptive to a lot of green wrestlers, many of whom weren't really any good. They just were unimpressed and have no real reason to feel warmly towards him and many reasons not to.
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Post by HIM on Jul 31, 2023 15:23:55 GMT -5
Corbin slightly smiling when he heard them cheering for him and booing Steveson was like He loved those cheers.
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Post by lionheart21 on Jul 31, 2023 15:27:51 GMT -5
I was initially gonna say that it’s Ronda all over again. But this is worse than Ronda since Ronda was actually good at one point.
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Post by An Dog On An Skateboard on Jul 31, 2023 15:52:20 GMT -5
The biggest difference between Angle and Steveson is that Angle was wrestling in front of crowds for fifteen months for small companies that were WWF affiliates, on WWF house shows and TV dark matches, he had over 80 matches where he could learn the trade, and when he did make his TV debut, he was told to slow the pace down, so that the crowd could groan and boo, and he could moan back at them, starting his heel turn. He didn't get the in ring stuff instantly (it took a couple of months after his TV debut), but what he did get, was the out of ring side. Talking on the mic, getting his charisma over. This was Steveson's first match in front of a crowd, and small sections of the crowd were already backing Corbin before they even locked up. And his "punches" only made things worse. It's almost like both sides have decided to part ways. Steveson presumably wants to do the amateur World Championship in September, and the Paris Olympics. The WWE have realised he's not going to make it. They have a TV match where he doesn't lose (so the WWE doesn't lose face), and Steveson can say that if Corbin hadn't interrupted, he was back off to freestyle. Otherwise, why not acknowledge that Damon Kemp is his brother? I've seen elitists shit on indy wrestling, and they underestimate just how important it is to have that experience and how much you learn from it, because of how much it can challenge you. During the COVID empty arena era you could see exactly who'd had to do the indy circuit, and make the best of working in front of three people, or without a receptive audience to bounce off, or whatever, and their performances were streets ahead of anything done by wrestlers who'd learned to have a formulaic match in front of a camera. Wrestling is one of those things where hard work genuinely does pay off, and you can't bullshit your way through it forever, if you aren't willing to put in the work - or aren't given the opportunity to put the work in - you get found out very quickly.
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Post by cornettesracket on Jul 31, 2023 16:11:27 GMT -5
I was initially gonna say that it’s Ronda all over again. But this is worse than Ronda since Ronda was actually good at one point. Well to be fair Ronda had her first match with Kurt angle and HHH, two of the best of their generation.
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Post by A Little Doo Doo on Jul 31, 2023 16:11:29 GMT -5
He's lucky that's all they were chanting at him, when they weren't booing.
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Jul 31, 2023 16:14:50 GMT -5
On the bright side you could totally get behind pushing Corbius as a badass vigilante face who wants redemption now. Strike while the iron is hot even if obviously all of that was more steveson hate.
Hell I hate this dude for making me say steveson instead of stevenson
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Post by Mozenrath on Jul 31, 2023 16:16:11 GMT -5
The biggest difference between Angle and Steveson is that Angle was wrestling in front of crowds for fifteen months for small companies that were WWF affiliates, on WWF house shows and TV dark matches, he had over 80 matches where he could learn the trade, and when he did make his TV debut, he was told to slow the pace down, so that the crowd could groan and boo, and he could moan back at them, starting his heel turn. He didn't get the in ring stuff instantly (it took a couple of months after his TV debut), but what he did get, was the out of ring side. Talking on the mic, getting his charisma over. This was Steveson's first match in front of a crowd, and small sections of the crowd were already backing Corbin before they even locked up. And his "punches" only made things worse. It's almost like both sides have decided to part ways. Steveson presumably wants to do the amateur World Championship in September, and the Paris Olympics. The WWE have realised he's not going to make it. They have a TV match where he doesn't lose (so the WWE doesn't lose face), and Steveson can say that if Corbin hadn't interrupted, he was back off to freestyle. Otherwise, why not acknowledge that Damon Kemp is his brother? I've seen elitists shit on indy wrestling, and they underestimate just how important it is to have that experience and how much you learn from it, because of how much it can challenge you. During the COVID empty arena era you could see exactly who'd had to do the indy circuit, and make the best of working in front of three people, or without a receptive audience to bounce off, or whatever, and their performances were streets ahead of anything done by wrestlers who'd learned to have a formulaic match in front of a camera. Wrestling is one of those things where hard work genuinely does pay off, and you can't bullshit your way through it forever, if you aren't willing to put in the work - or aren't given the opportunity to put the work in - you get found out very quickly. I'm reminded of Kevin Nash saying that when he and Scott Hall were doing empty arena matches against jobbers to sell the idea of WCW being unreceptive to them, but that nWo were "buying airtime", and him saying that he and Scott would take some of their own money to pay the jobbers extra on top of what WCW were giving them because they knew it'd be really difficult making the matches work without a crowd to play off of, so they were going to have to be particularly stiff with the job guys to make it look good. It's tough, and that was with two guys who'd done stuff off of TV plenty of times. It's damn near impossible for a lot of the truly green folks who lack this experience. They do the house shows with the secondary crew, and that's not nothing, but it's not the same breadth of experience as they'd get working multiple rings, companies, etc.
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Post by Nosnorb on Jul 31, 2023 16:39:08 GMT -5
Gable sucked shit like a fly on a cowpat, he was gassed within 3 minutes. In terms of performance, that was the same tier as Ali Dia coming on as a sub for Southampton.
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Post by stevescorpio on Jul 31, 2023 16:52:18 GMT -5
Gable has had one match, and he's already a bigger scumbag than his brother. If ever there was a time to start pushing Damon Kemp, it's now.
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Post by johncasey on Jul 31, 2023 17:04:20 GMT -5
TBH, The Decision Segment on NXT didn't do him any favours. It was like we were expected to be hanging on the decision and be elated.
Also that pre entrance video didn't do him any favours. It was something they would do for Kurt Angle in 1999
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Post by Kalmia on Jul 31, 2023 17:06:07 GMT -5
Gable Steveson's debut match was a disaster?
Oh no. What a shame. Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jul 31, 2023 17:08:50 GMT -5
Steveson signed with a manager before the Olympics; the big swell of attention and hype he got was really blatantly astroturfed to give him some extra oomph and push into this situation. This is what all that hype got him. One bad rookie match isn't going to put the guy dead in the water, but he could have cinched a WWE deal without all the spotlight and probably been able to run up a better start than what his name surged him to instead.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Jul 31, 2023 17:46:12 GMT -5
I've seen elitists shit on indy wrestling, and they underestimate just how important it is to have that experience and how much you learn from it, because of how much it can challenge you. During the COVID empty arena era you could see exactly who'd had to do the indy circuit, and make the best of working in front of three people, or without a receptive audience to bounce off, or whatever, and their performances were streets ahead of anything done by wrestlers who'd learned to have a formulaic match in front of a camera. Wrestling is one of those things where hard work genuinely does pay off, and you can't bullshit your way through it forever, if you aren't willing to put in the work - or aren't given the opportunity to put the work in - you get found out very quickly. I'm reminded of Kevin Nash saying that when he and Scott Hall were doing empty arena matches against jobbers to sell the idea of WCW being unreceptive to them, but that nWo were "buying airtime", and him saying that he and Scott would take some of their own money to pay the jobbers extra on top of what WCW were giving them because they knew it'd be really difficult making the matches work without a crowd to play off of, so they were going to have to be particularly stiff with the job guys to make it look good. It's tough, and that was with two guys who'd done stuff off of TV plenty of times. It's damn near impossible for a lot of the truly green folks who lack this experience. They do the house shows with the secondary crew, and that's not nothing, but it's not the same breadth of experience as they'd get working multiple rings, companies, etc. Honestly WWE would be smart to send more rookies and green people out on mini-excursions. Let them develop a bit in front of a couple of different crowds, find ways to connect with fresh crowds instead of the same group of people week in and week out.
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Post by jm on Jul 31, 2023 17:50:04 GMT -5
Never has the phrase "couldn't have happened to a nicer guy" been more applicable than in this situation.
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Post by hashtagdaley/JudasDay on Jul 31, 2023 23:12:36 GMT -5
I thought it was the most run of the mill paint by numbers hyped debut of recent memory. I didn’t think it was some shocking disaster though.
Negative charisma. Shitty person. I don’t need to ever see him again. But when I lost shitty matches this isn’t one of them. It’ll just disappear into the void of nothingness it was.
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Post by Nosnorb on Jul 31, 2023 23:38:24 GMT -5
I thought it was the most run of the mill paint by numbers hyped debut of recent memory. I didn’t think it was some shocking disaster though. Dude got gassed 3 minutes into a match where he spent most of it getting his shit kicked in and ended with a double count out. It was a disaster, for Gable at least.
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Post by DichEvans on Aug 1, 2023 1:45:24 GMT -5
I'm reminded of Kevin Nash saying that when he and Scott Hall were doing empty arena matches against jobbers to sell the idea of WCW being unreceptive to them, but that nWo were "buying airtime", and him saying that he and Scott would take some of their own money to pay the jobbers extra on top of what WCW were giving them because they knew it'd be really difficult making the matches work without a crowd to play off of, so they were going to have to be particularly stiff with the job guys to make it look good. It's tough, and that was with two guys who'd done stuff off of TV plenty of times. It's damn near impossible for a lot of the truly green folks who lack this experience. They do the house shows with the secondary crew, and that's not nothing, but it's not the same breadth of experience as they'd get working multiple rings, companies, etc. Honestly WWE would be smart to send more rookies and green people out on mini-excursions. Let them develop a bit in front of a couple of different crowds, find ways to connect with fresh crowds instead of the same group of people week in and week out. This is why I agree with what Britt Baker said. The WWE's developmental strategy is just not going to outmatch learning on the indies. There is a reason everyone loves Gunther's work and he's universally respected
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Post by An Dog On An Skateboard on Aug 1, 2023 3:21:55 GMT -5
I'm reminded of Kevin Nash saying that when he and Scott Hall were doing empty arena matches against jobbers to sell the idea of WCW being unreceptive to them, but that nWo were "buying airtime", and him saying that he and Scott would take some of their own money to pay the jobbers extra on top of what WCW were giving them because they knew it'd be really difficult making the matches work without a crowd to play off of, so they were going to have to be particularly stiff with the job guys to make it look good. It's tough, and that was with two guys who'd done stuff off of TV plenty of times. It's damn near impossible for a lot of the truly green folks who lack this experience. They do the house shows with the secondary crew, and that's not nothing, but it's not the same breadth of experience as they'd get working multiple rings, companies, etc. Honestly WWE would be smart to send more rookies and green people out on mini-excursions. Let them develop a bit in front of a couple of different crowds, find ways to connect with fresh crowds instead of the same group of people week in and week out. I never liked the colonisation of the indys in the 2010s, but the way they handled it was stupid on their parts too. From WWE's standpoint, the most sensible thing they could've done with Evolve/WXW/Progress/ICW would've been to use them like this. You look at Japan, and pretty much any decent wrestler there has had an excusion to the US, or Canada, or Mexico, or Europe, and it's often been their making as a well-rounded worker.
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Post by 4real on Aug 1, 2023 3:44:51 GMT -5
Finally got round to watching this match.
It was fine I guess. I didn’t notice anything terribly botched or anything. He didn’t get a lot of offence in. It was very basic but certainly not a train wreck.
The crowd turning on him that early must be down to himself as a human being right and not this match?
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