asuka007
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Post by asuka007 on Aug 15, 2023 13:06:57 GMT -5
If Seth’s match doesn’t main event Payback, with Roman probably not working that show. That will be very telling and not in a good way.
Seth suffers from the fact that Triple H clearly sees JD as the biggest act. And we’ve seen that his instincts when he gets a hot angle is the shove it on to as much of the show as possible and devoted like 95% of creative to that angle. So everything else gets left by the wayside.
Also having Cody on Raw means Seth arguably isn’t even the top face either.
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Post by polarbearpete on Aug 15, 2023 13:13:37 GMT -5
wonder who these exceptions were/are. Batista's first world title run in 2005- literally perfectly booked, smart, top face world champ Cena's year long reign 2006-2007 (and even that one ran its course but for me its the best 'top face year plus long reign' of the last 20 years Ambrose as WWE champ in 2016, even though it was a brief one Moxley in AEW 2020- his pandemic run (guess he's just good at being a face world champ) Those are the ones that spring to mind McIntyre’s pandemic reign as well
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Post by polarbearpete on Aug 15, 2023 13:14:30 GMT -5
I think the reign has been solid so far. It feels sort of like the Big Gold Belt did back in the day
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Nosnorb
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Post by Nosnorb on Aug 15, 2023 14:18:34 GMT -5
If Seth’s match doesn’t main event Payback, with Roman probably not working that show. That will be very telling and not in a good way. Seth suffers from the fact that Triple H clearly sees JD as the biggest act. And we’ve seen that his instincts when he gets a hot angle is the shove it on to as much of the show as possible and devoted like 95% of creative to that angle. So everything else gets left by the wayside. Also having Cody on Raw means Seth arguably isn’t even the top face either. Either Rhea Ripley or the Usos are going to headline Payback. Also, WWE need to get their Arses in gear and actually announce some matches for the PPV.
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clifford
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Post by clifford on Aug 15, 2023 14:35:19 GMT -5
Batista's first world title run in 2005- literally perfectly booked, smart, top face world champ Cena's year long reign 2006-2007 (and even that one ran its course but for me its the best 'top face year plus long reign' of the last 20 years Ambrose as WWE champ in 2016, even though it was a brief one Moxley in AEW 2020- his pandemic run (guess he's just good at being a face world champ) Those are the ones that spring to mind McIntyre’s pandemic reign as well I honestly can't remember what happened between him beating Big Show the night after Mania and losing to Orton. Though it was pandemic era and I've repressed so much of that time
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Post by darbus alan on Aug 15, 2023 19:28:09 GMT -5
wonder who these exceptions were/are. Batista's first world title run in 2005- literally perfectly booked, smart, top face world champ Cena's year long reign 2006-2007 (and even that one ran its course but for me its the best 'top face year plus long reign' of the last 20 years Ambrose as WWE champ in 2016, even though it was a brief one Moxley in AEW 2020- his pandemic run (guess he's just good at being a face world champ) Those are the ones that spring to mind I think TNA/Impact's had some pretty solid face runs. Granted it got a bit long in the tooth and he had to give it up due to injury, but I liked Josh Alexander's Impact World Championship run a lot.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Aug 15, 2023 19:36:31 GMT -5
Batista's first world title run in 2005- literally perfectly booked, smart, top face world champ Cena's year long reign 2006-2007 (and even that one ran its course but for me its the best 'top face year plus long reign' of the last 20 years Ambrose as WWE champ in 2016, even though it was a brief one Moxley in AEW 2020- his pandemic run (guess he's just good at being a face world champ) Those are the ones that spring to mind McIntyre’s pandemic reign as well I can barely even remember anything he did. Uh, he had like 17 matches with Orton, he had a match with Lashley... That's all I've got.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Aug 15, 2023 20:14:16 GMT -5
wonder who these exceptions were/are. Batista's first world title run in 2005- literally perfectly booked, smart, top face world champ Cena's year long reign 2006-2007 (and even that one ran its course but for me its the best 'top face year plus long reign' of the last 20 years Ambrose as WWE champ in 2016, even though it was a brief one Moxley in AEW 2020- his pandemic run (guess he's just good at being a face world champ) Those are the ones that spring to mind I actually enjoyed Styles’ title run after he won it off Jinder. Yeah the Nakamura matches weren’t up to their New Japan quality but he was performing well throughout most of that reign, the Joe feud was a lot of fun.
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Post by polarbearpete on Aug 15, 2023 20:46:42 GMT -5
McIntyre’s pandemic reign as well I can barely even remember anything he did. Uh, he had like 17 matches with Orton, he had a match with Lashley... That's all I've got. I meant more his face character that I enjoyed. But he had a banger with Rollins, as well as matches with Orton, Lashley, Reigns, Keith Lee, Styles, Goldberg.
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Aug 15, 2023 21:24:19 GMT -5
I can barely even remember anything he did. Uh, he had like 17 matches with Orton, he had a match with Lashley... That's all I've got. I meant more his face character that I enjoyed. But he had a banger with Rollins, as well as matches with Orton, Lashley, Reigns, Keith Lee, Styles, Goldberg. pandemic-era Drew (before they just made him "Swordy McScottish") was a hell of a character for him.
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Mozenrath
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 15, 2023 21:27:48 GMT -5
Western wrestling companies are just incapable of booking strong face world title reigns. I think there's been about 3 or 4 good ones since the Attitude era ended. It's all about the chase and never about the follow-up. wonder who these exceptions were/are. AEW with Jon Moxley was pretty solid. WWE-wise, hmm. Depends on if you count NXT's title, but it's tough. Most of the face ones are either too short or too long.
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tenshi
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Post by tenshi on Aug 15, 2023 21:32:46 GMT -5
Seth Rollins feels like he's being complacent, spending more time on his wardrobe than on trying to add some flavor to his performance. He's a good wrestler, he's popular and he's one of the faces of the show but everything about him just stopped developing. He goes from being a wacky Waluigi guy who's en vogue and mocks the opposition... but then he goes on tirades about DIS BIZNIZ before being wacky again. Then he wrestles and there's little variety to his approach and, honestly, it feels like Seth is in autopilot.
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Post by Hypnosis on Aug 15, 2023 21:40:20 GMT -5
Seth Rollins feels like he's being complacent, spending more time on his wardrobe than on trying to add some flavor to his performance. He's a good wrestler, he's popular and he's one of the faces of the show but everything about him just stopped developing. He goes from being a wacky Waluigi guy who's en vogue and mocks the opposition... but then he goes on tirades about DIS BIZNIZ before being wacky again. Then he wrestles and there's little variety to his approach and, honestly, it feels like Seth is in autopilot. I want Rollins to start doing European-style wrestling now.
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Aug 15, 2023 21:52:20 GMT -5
Seth Rollins feels like he's being complacent, spending more time on his wardrobe than on trying to add some flavor to his performance. He's a good wrestler, he's popular and he's one of the faces of the show but everything about him just stopped developing. He goes from being a wacky Waluigi guy who's en vogue and mocks the opposition... but then he goes on tirades about DIS BIZNIZ before being wacky again. Then he wrestles and there's little variety to his approach and, honestly, it feels like Seth is in autopilot. I want Rollins to start doing European-style wrestling now. Have him lose to Gunther and start trying to do European-style wrestling to counter.
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Post by A Little Doo Doo on Aug 15, 2023 22:53:32 GMT -5
I think Seth's doing the best he can, but there's a major lack of fresh challengers on Raw for him right now IMO. He should've lost the title to Finn at SummerSlam, honestly.
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Post by Brickstone Kid on Aug 16, 2023 2:26:09 GMT -5
I appreciate him and it's some of the more interesting work in his career. The crazy obnoxious clothes and heel persona (despite being a face) really makes him stand out. But yeah the booking isn't great.
Probably I'm also the only one on the planet who hates his music and the stupid sing along.
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Post by Big DSR Energy on Aug 16, 2023 2:37:11 GMT -5
I appreciate him and it's some of the more interesting work in his career. The crazy obnoxious clothes and heel persona (despite being a face) really makes him stand out. But yeah the booking isn't great. Probably I'm also the only one on the planet who hates his music and the stupid sing along. No, I'm with you on that. Felt like they heard the audience singing along to other people's themes and decided to poorly graft a weak sing-along section to a weak metalcore riff and the "BURN IT DOWN" from his earlier theme. Yeah, it took off, but it still feels like a cut-and-paste tune.
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clifford
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Post by clifford on Aug 16, 2023 3:20:46 GMT -5
Batista's first world title run in 2005- literally perfectly booked, smart, top face world champ Cena's year long reign 2006-2007 (and even that one ran its course but for me its the best 'top face year plus long reign' of the last 20 years Ambrose as WWE champ in 2016, even though it was a brief one Moxley in AEW 2020- his pandemic run (guess he's just good at being a face world champ) Those are the ones that spring to mind I actually enjoyed Styles’ title run after he won it off Jinder. Yeah the Nakamura matches weren’t up to their New Japan quality but he was performing well throughout most of that reign, the Joe feud was a lot of fun. Listen, there was a loooootttt of hate for that AJ title run on this board by the end of it, and for my money's worth, I liked it, didn't love it. This was AJ Styles having WWE title matches with Sami Zayn, Kevin Owens, Shinsuke Nakamura, Samoa Joe, Daniel Bryan- it was like a greatest hits tour of his pre-WWE career. But there was just so many f*** finishes for most of the PPV defenses. It was a monkeys paw type of situation. Great opponents, awful match layouts and finishes.
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Aug 16, 2023 4:34:42 GMT -5
I actually enjoyed Styles’ title run after he won it off Jinder. Yeah the Nakamura matches weren’t up to their New Japan quality but he was performing well throughout most of that reign, the Joe feud was a lot of fun. Listen, there was a loooootttt of hate for that AJ title run on this board by the end of it, and for my money's worth, I liked it, didn't love it. This was AJ Styles having WWE title matches with Sami Zayn, Kevin Owens, Shinsuke Nakamura, Samoa Joe, Daniel Bryan- it was like a greatest hits tour of his pre-WWE career. But there was just so many f*** finishes for most of the PPV defenses. It was a monkeys paw type of situation. Great opponents, awful match layouts and finishes. doesn’t help that so many of his opponents were people who the fans wanted to see either get a first title run or switch things up with either if only nakamura could’ve gotten the title at least once from him, preferably at wrestlemania and then the low blow after the match
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Aug 16, 2023 5:01:01 GMT -5
I remember like right before his theme really blew up in popularity I made a thread about how it sounded like a bunch of random garbage noises piled on top of each other with no apparent attempt at a rhythm and I still entirely feel that way.
And yeah, giving the belt to Finn or Priest was by far the more interesting play, but the only men's title in wrestling allowed to ever have short reigns in 2023 is the TNT belt.
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