Zone Was Wrong
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Dec 10, 2023 22:36:13 GMT -5
Alignment is pretty much getting thrown out across most all systems, and frankly that's a-ok to me. Too many players hide behind the bs excuse of "I'm just playing my alignment" when being shitty players and honestly alignment is such a binary system for morality in the first place. Really pigeon holes characters into one way of acting without any sort of dimension to the character.
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Dec 10, 2023 23:10:38 GMT -5
Real quick: So, in Pathfinder, Fiends, while based on DND's own, are created in different ways. Demons are born of sin, Daemons are born of murders, and Devils are based off ways to corrupt.
How are the original DND fiends created?
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Post by IgnahtaSempria on Dec 11, 2023 0:07:30 GMT -5
Real quick: So, in Pathfinder, Fiends, while based on DND's own, are created in different ways. Demons are born of sin, Daemons are born of murders, and Devils are based off ways to corrupt. How are the original DND fiends created? Devils come from the Nine Hells, and are generally the damned souls of mortals who get reborn in the Hells as lemures, and then have to make their way up the infernal hierarchy to essentially "evolve" into stronger devils. Mortals can also be transformed into devils by the terms of a contract. Narzugons are fallen paladins who made a deal with a devil or were tricked into betraying their order, for example. Demons come from the Abyss, which is a big, chaotic swirl of uncountable layers. Since it's just a giant ball of random evil, and no one has ever traversed all of the layers, no one actually knows where demons come from, other than the Abyss just kind of spits them out whenever it feels like. Demons can also transform mortals into other demons. For example, orcs can be transformed into tanarruk by a demon like Baphomet. Yugoloths (daemons) were allegedly created by some primal Evil at the beginning of time to fight the forces of Good, became neutral evil mercenaries, and basically just help devils and demons fight each other whenever they feel like it. They are the only fiends that cannot turn mortals into other fiends (not that they'd want to- they hate dealing with mortals), and they're the only ones who can procreate directly with each other (though they actually dissuade that). They also may or may not have helped create some early demons (though that's purely by their own accounts, and they're not reliable narrators). Then there's the uncategorized fiends like rakshasa and succubi/incubi, who may or may not have been created at some point by one of the above fiend groups.
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Dec 11, 2023 0:11:52 GMT -5
As I'm to understand it, the Outer Planes in DND are also a lot bigger. As they're "pure" aligned planes, where it's just Lawful Good, then there's one's that's Half LG/Half LN, and then Half LG/Half NG.
Is there an all-purpose guide out there?
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Post by IgnahtaSempria on Dec 11, 2023 0:12:33 GMT -5
Personally, I've found that alignment works best as a DM tool. Rather than having to come up with every single monster and NPC's personal morals and behaviours, it's much easier to look at a stat block and go "okay, this creature is usually neutral evil, so they'd do this, this and this".
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Post by IgnahtaSempria on Dec 11, 2023 0:14:31 GMT -5
As I'm to understand it, the Outer Planes in DND are also a lot bigger. As they're "pure" aligned planes, where it's just Lawful Good, then there's one's that's Half LG/Half LN, and then Half LG/Half NG. Is there an all-purpose guide out there? I generally just use the Forgotten Realms wiki, but the 5th edition Dungeon Master's Guide has a quick cliffnotes version of the full cosmology.
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Dec 11, 2023 0:17:32 GMT -5
As I'm to understand it, the Outer Planes in DND are also a lot bigger. As they're "pure" aligned planes, where it's just Lawful Good, then there's one's that's Half LG/Half LN, and then Half LG/Half NG. Is there an all-purpose guide out there? I generally just use the Forgotten Realms wiki, but the 5th edition Dungeon Master's Guide has a quick cliffnotes version of the full cosmology. One last question: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outer_PlaneDoes the 5th Edition keep real life pantheons from Norse and Greek mythology in their own established lore?
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Post by IgnahtaSempria on Dec 11, 2023 0:26:27 GMT -5
I generally just use the Forgotten Realms wiki, but the 5th edition Dungeon Master's Guide has a quick cliffnotes version of the full cosmology. One last question: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outer_PlaneDoes the 5th Edition keep real life pantheons from Norse and Greek mythology in their own established lore? Yes and no. Tyr is part of the default Faerunian pantheon, and the gods of Mulhorand are just the Egyptian gods. Plus, most cleric domains give real-world gods as examples for their respective domains, like Zeus for the Tempest cleric. However, since hardly any official sources take place anywhere but the Sword Coast, you will rarely see any gods referenced that aren't part of the original D&D pantheons (Corellon, Moradin, Gruumsh, etc.). Now, on the plus side, it's D&D. All of this is made-up bullshit. You can use whatever pantheons and cosmologies you want, as long as the DM gives the okay, and most good DMs are usually willing to make changes to their lore to accommodate players.
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Dec 28, 2023 14:06:51 GMT -5
Which route should I choose for the Shadow Lands? The mountain route or the underdark?
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Dec 28, 2023 16:27:59 GMT -5
Which route should I choose for the Shadow Lands? The mountain route or the underdark? Honestly I did both but they are both incredibly brief, the bit between the deep gnome city and the shadow lands might as well be a loading zone.
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Post by IgnahtaSempria on Dec 29, 2023 12:50:02 GMT -5
Yeah, the route to the Shadowlands is kinda weird, because it gives you that "make sure you've done everything in this area before progressing" pop up when you try to use either route, which usually means you can't go back, but you can actually go back and forth between all the areas you've visited right up until the end of Act Two. Once you actually get to Baldur's Gate, you can't go back.
Personally, I did Underdark first, leveled up, then went back to the mountain pass to make it a little easier, then went through the Shadowlands.
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Post by hashtagdaley/JudasDay on Dec 29, 2023 13:01:17 GMT -5
Still just waiting around to snag a physical copy … I got a PS5 gift card and I’m tempted to use it, but will probably spend that on the digital exclusive Alan Wake 2 and keep being patient for this one.
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Post by Totorob101 on Dec 29, 2023 13:13:42 GMT -5
Well decided to get into it while playing bg2 and it is a lot of fun,combat is quite hard even on the easiest setting but man do I love Karlach, she is both badass and adorable at the same time,honestly can't go anywhere without her!
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Dec 30, 2023 21:21:30 GMT -5
Sorry, one more question: {Spoiler}{Spoiler}If I kill all the druids for the Tieflings, I assume I still would have to go to the Goblin Camp. But do the Tieflings stay in the Grove instead of being killed at the Shadow Lands?
Also, I still would be able to recruit Minthara, if I just knock her out then?
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Post by IgnahtaSempria on Dec 31, 2023 0:28:20 GMT -5
Sorry, one more question: {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}If I kill all the druids for the Tieflings, I assume I still would have to go to the Goblin Camp. But do the Tieflings stay in the Grove instead of being killed at the Shadow Lands?
Also, I still would be able to recruit Minthara, if I just knock her out then? {Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW} Can't answer your first question, but considering how many tiefling-related subquests end in either the Shadowlands or Baldur's Gate, I believe the refugees will leave regardless.
As for Minthara, there's a specific thing you need to do to recruit her. She needs to have the "temporarily hostile" condition, so you need to steal something in front of her, take some sort of aggressive action around her, etc. Then, you can knock her out with non-lethal damage, and she should appear at Moonrise Towers like she does during an evil run.
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Jan 2, 2024 17:31:32 GMT -5
Yeah, I thought as much. Oh, well, I'm a heroic type, anyway, so it's better to help both sides, even if a good number of the Druids are total assholes.
Also, after trying out multiple classes, is it just me, or is the Monk far and away the worst class in the game? Like, no armor, can only use like three different weapons, lower HP, just....so far it feels like a broke-ass Fighter.
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Post by IgnahtaSempria on Jan 2, 2024 18:25:58 GMT -5
Yeah, I thought as much. Oh, well, I'm a heroic type, anyway, so it's better to help both sides, even if a good number of the Druids are total assholes. Also, after trying out multiple classes, is it just me, or is the Monk far and away the worst class in the game? Like, no armor, can only use like three different weapons, lower HP, just....so far it feels like a broke-ass Fighter. Nah, people have been complaining about the Monk in 5th edition pretty much since day one. A lot of the weapons and items that help monks in the game, like getting extra ki points or boosting your unarmed damage, were made specifically in game to help boost monks, because WotC basically does nothing to support them. Hell, 70% of what makes Rangers better in BG3 is stuff Larian made up. It also doesn't help that Larian was mostly limited to Player's Handbook subclasses, so they didn't get to use some of the fancier/more powerful subclasses, like Way of the Kensei or Astral Self.
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Post by Duke Cameron on Jan 2, 2024 22:41:47 GMT -5
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I was surprised how easy Raphael was to defeat. My wife’s found a few of the fights in the game difficult and frustrating and then goes and beats him in her first try.
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