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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Aug 19, 2023 11:55:02 GMT -5
The wrestleshow is the wrestleshow. This is real life shit. Like, I kinda compare it to the issue people raise of Vince and his rape allegations versus why people talk about CM Punk so much/why there's a "Tony Khan is a bitch" thread but not a Vince once. The shit that really, really matters? Not a tenth as controversial. Down at the real core of it, there's stuff that people disagree with way way the f*** less and it's typically the stuff that's serious enough to really be worth that. This is the kind of shit people can agree from across a whole lot of viewpoints, ideas, tastes, and sensibilities. Not everyone, but it is definitely bringing a lot of people together and the thread where Rick Styles and I have liked more of one another's posts than probably anywhere else since the night we thought the Saudis inked a WWE buyout. Moth, after taking a day and thinking about it I wanted to properly address you statement instead of coming off as I have occasionally in the past as condescending. First and foremost the issue for me with you and your ilk (HAD TO haha) was never truly personal. Your brevity above highlights that. My ignorance, pettiness, and frustration routinely came from a place of confusion instead of malice. I recently finished an assisted a 3 month bid...My first one here in nearly 2 decades and had no clue during that process why I was even banned...At the time I didn't feel like I was even communicating with anyone directly. During that time I sat for a few weeks trying to figure out what the heck I even said this time, out of everything, that would have irked someone.... About halfway through I reached out to a few people over the last 2 decades or so that I have spoken to via X and asked them if they can just have my account deleted. I felt like this place had obviously passed me by and that my opinion, even ignorant, didn't matter. The day after my ban lifted I logged in with the intent on deleting my account and walking away...I saw something though...It sounds weird but as someone who does consider themselves a fan (albeit hyper critical) of AEW (i own merch, figures, the game etc) I always felt like I wasn't allowed to participate here if my opinion didn't meet the status quo. I've never been a team rah-rah guy and at points you had to be. What I saw was that the veil had seemingly lifted and that others I had issues with regarding my opinion were more willing to both listen and accept those criticisms...That is a huge door that I felt was previously closed before and in a lot of ways rightfully so with how I was acting as well... A lot happened during those 3 months...I was promoted at the firm I work at...My mother died unexpectedly and my son started autism school...There was no way I was holding onto that irritation from here.... Anyways...Im here...one last shot at the only place online I have ever really felt is a true part of my day to day process...The past is just that...my block list is empty...and I do not need an explanation from the mods for their decisions...I understand it in a lot of ways even if it could have been done more gracefully. Remember though I am, at heart, a Dick...My beloved Momma named me Richard for a reason. I implore everyone to tell me when I am being stupid...That is how we learn just maybe not in every response? haha Onto 2024 fan and thanks for letting me get that out I know you and I have even butted heads a little bit before on the punk thing but I can say without reservation I’m very glad to see you around and honestly, we’ve all been there and we have no idea what the other person is going through. hell you could say the same with cash. I absolutely loathe irresponsible gun owners but it is damn clear this dude needs help more than anything, I just also don’t think he should be around his coworkers or the company during their most important time to date at this time either. It also makes me really bummed out that because of it being someone who plays a character on tv, now you have this guy who had a gun pointed at them who will get the ire of aew’s more cultish fanbase. it is not good. |
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Post by Platypus Mod, with a new hat on Aug 19, 2023 12:14:02 GMT -5
There is no UK equivalent though, because we don't have guns here, thats pretty much the point. Milly would presumably be off to prison because it's unheard of here, whereas it sounds like it's not that uncommon in Florida which both does and doesn't surprise me. James would be more likely to throw a bottle of Ribena anyway. it's hard to get your head around if you don't live in America because they're allowed to have guns, and when angry I'm sure plenty of people reach for them, show them off, even if they have no intention of using them, I have no idea how seriously you're meant to interpret someone flashing one (which I imagine is wildly different to actually pointing one?) as I have no reference point. You lose your temper big time over here and you're someone naturally aggressive you might scream at someone that you'll kill them, likely a totally meaningless phrase with no real threat behind it, despite how aggressive it sounds, you do it in America you do the same thing but flash an item that indicates you might be serious, even if the gesture is just as hollow. How the f*** do you interpret that? It's likely still just threatening behaviour and it's very difficult to say "but OMG he had a GUN!!!!!!!!" when guns are so normalised over there. It would be horrifying here because you'd ask yourself why someone even had a gun, them brandishing it couldn't possibly be just a rush of blood to the head, whereas in America that just not the case. The ease of which people these days are labelling someone a criminal before they've been convicted of anything is troubling though, and as I say I presume if he flashed it that's quite different to actually pointing it as the guy is alleging. There's potentially more to it than we've heard and you can't just make your decision based on what's been said so far, it's an insanely stupid thing to do and as someone that's been in court with people for crimes they committed and ones they didn't I can safely say no outsider would have been able to make a judgement on what happened or why on any of them. This isn't the Mason Greenwood thing, there isn't evidence that we can all see and hear and safely judge he's a piece of shit no matter what any court does or doesn't say, it's a bizarre incident with a story that doesn't make all that much sense and while MJF worded his tweet terribly he had a massive point with the not making assumptions thing, "believe every single witness and every single statement and every single police officer!" isn't a phrase to live your life by, people lie and it's fair enough to wait until the guy is actually found guilty of something before deciding to hang him for it. Whether he should be at All In is a morality thing and it's murky at best, I probably wouldn't have him there but if he's free to travel and enter and hasn't been convicted of anything in an incident where he didn't harm anybody I can see them wanting him to show up for work. Believe it or not threatening to shoot someone and brandishing a gun while doing it isn’t normal behavior over here. It is also a very traumatic experience and the victim could in fact have severe mental consequences for a good while after this. I know the media portrayal of Americans is that everyone and their grandmother are walking around with gun holsters on their hips but that just simply isn’t the case. Yeah just brandishing a gun in an argument is also illegal, it's a threat. It's not as serious a charge as pulling it out and aiming at it. most likely Menacing with a deadly weapon vs. Assault With a deadly Weapon. Though they might arrest on the latter charge anyway. |
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Aug 19, 2023 12:20:01 GMT -5
Hair is a moron. You gotta be better than that sometimes. Also is anyone else feeling the AEW rosters tweets rubbing me the wrong way especially MJF who went nuclear on LuFisto but is asking for patience on a dude who flashed a gun. I feel like this is where AEW’s young roster age when it comes to media presence shows. Like in WWE you might get a random instance of Seth and Meltzer beefing about the Saudi plane thing or Corbin following smark bait accounts on instagram. But by in large they shut the f*** up about real/legal issues of other roster members or employees. Like I never saw Sami tweet “yah Jimmy Uso is my dog yeet” when Jimmy got his recent DUI. AEW’s roster on social media in these situation act like 24 year old waffle house servers defending their line cook buddy. |
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Post by Fade on Aug 19, 2023 12:35:13 GMT -5
Hair is a moron. You gotta be better than that sometimes. Also is anyone else feeling the AEW rosters tweets rubbing me the wrong way especially MJF who went nuclear on LuFisto but is asking for patience on a dude who flashed a gun. I feel like this is where AEW’s young roster age when it comes to media presence shows. Like in WWE you might get a random instance of Seth and Meltzer beefing about the Saudi plane thing or Corbin following smark bait accounts on instagram. But by in large they shut the f*** up about real/legal issues of other roster members or employees. Like I never saw Sami tweet “yah Jimmy Uso is my dog yeet” when Jimmy got his recent DUI. AEW’s roster on social media in these situation act like 24 year old waffle house servers defending their line cook buddy. 100%. Particularly with Max, every time he be popping off in a “serious manner” on Twitter I’m incredibly reminded of his age and how young he still is. I get he’s passionate about AEW, but sometimes remaining quiet is the answer. You gotta know your part and act it well. |
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Aug 19, 2023 12:43:54 GMT -5
The wrestleshow is the wrestleshow. This is real life shit. Like, I kinda compare it to the issue people raise of Vince and his rape allegations versus why people talk about CM Punk so much/why there's a "Tony Khan is a bitch" thread but not a Vince once. The shit that really, really matters? Not a tenth as controversial. Down at the real core of it, there's stuff that people disagree with way way the f*** less and it's typically the stuff that's serious enough to really be worth that. This is the kind of shit people can agree from across a whole lot of viewpoints, ideas, tastes, and sensibilities. Not everyone, but it is definitely bringing a lot of people together and the thread where Rick Styles and I have liked more of one another's posts than probably anywhere else since the night we thought the Saudis inked a WWE buyout. Moth, after taking a day and thinking about it I wanted to properly address you statement instead of coming off as I have occasionally in the past as condescending. First and foremost the issue for me with you and your ilk (HAD TO haha) was never truly personal. Your brevity above highlights that. My ignorance, pettiness, and frustration routinely came from a place of confusion instead of malice. I recently finished an assisted a 3 month bid...My first one here in nearly 2 decades and had no clue during that process why I was even banned...At the time I didn't feel like I was even communicating with anyone directly. During that time I sat for a few weeks trying to figure out what the heck I even said this time, out of everything, that would have irked someone.... About halfway through I reached out to a few people over the last 2 decades or so that I have spoken to via X and asked them if they can just have my account deleted. I felt like this place had obviously passed me by and that my opinion, even ignorant, didn't matter. The day after my ban lifted I logged in with the intent on deleting my account and walking away...I saw something though...It sounds weird but as someone who does consider themselves a fan (albeit hyper critical) of AEW (i own merch, figures, the game etc) I always felt like I wasn't allowed to participate here if my opinion didn't meet the status quo. I've never been a team rah-rah guy and at points you had to be. What I saw was that the veil had seemingly lifted and that others I had issues with regarding my opinion were more willing to both listen and accept those criticisms...That is a huge door that I felt was previously closed before and in a lot of ways rightfully so with how I was acting as well... A lot happened during those 3 months...I was promoted at the firm I work at...My mother died unexpectedly and my son started autism school...There was no way I was holding onto that irritation from here.... Anyways...Im here...one last shot at the only place online I have ever really felt is a true part of my day to day process...The past is just that...my block list is empty...and I do not need an explanation from the mods for their decisions...I understand it in a lot of ways even if it could have been done more gracefully. Remember though I am, at heart, a Dick...My beloved Momma named me Richard for a reason. I implore everyone to tell me when I am being stupid...That is how we learn just maybe not in every response? haha Onto 2024 fan and thanks for letting me get that out I apprecate it; I definitely said what I said without any malice or "yeah I agree with Rick and I f***ing hate that guy" or anything; it's that the important shit is where the dumb stuff doesn't matter. A few days before All Out and therefore before the Scrum thread, where we've done a lot of our arguing, my neighbors burned down the building I lived in. Second house fire/relocation in 18 months, that time while taking care of my disabled mother and shouldering full financial burden for her and my sister/sister's schooling. Which I don't think necessarily made me irritable or angry, but does get to the core of the fact that I really enjoy internet dumb shit and arguing about the wrestlemen is a nice thing to do on the side in the midst of being overworked and overburdened. A lot of shit can happen and it's fine to just take the gloves off and say a lot of stuff. Even if someone is being very frustrating, focusing on that frustrating dumb thing is just a nice way to cool off. But you didn't advocate for ethnic cleansing. Whatever stuff I may have argued with or thought was dumb, I didn't think "Wow this guy behind it is rotten". I don't do this shit with malice or to take out anger, but because the low-stakes gladiatorial combat of arguing on internet forums has always been fun. It's a hobby for me. I get colourful sometimes with language and allegory because I'm a writer by trade and I enjoy doing calisthenics with words and being a smartass, but I don't think I could judge someone as objectively a bad person because of what they think about a wrestling show unless it's got to be some real nasty work, and you haven't gone there. I'm not coming in here with any malice on my part either. It's not some bad faith "picking fights with shit I don't believe" garbage, but I say whatever I post and then I go back to work. So I appreciate the honesty, and appreciate the commitment to a fresh start. This thread's a good way to see perspective and that when the chips are down, no lines anyone has drawn need to matter. The big shit is what matters, and on this, we're in total agreement, and I don't think either of us would be willing to engage with that agreement if we just f***ing hated one another. And if the real stuff isn't an obstacle for us then the dumb shit can't ever really matter enough for shit to have to get ugly. |
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Post by MiLB Fan on Aug 19, 2023 13:04:16 GMT -5
I feel like this is where AEW’s young roster age when it comes to media presence shows. Like in WWE you might get a random instance of Seth and Meltzer beefing about the Saudi plane thing or Corbin following smark bait accounts on instagram. But by in large they shut the f*** up about real/legal issues of other roster members or employees. Like I never saw Sami tweet “yah Jimmy Uso is my dog yeet” when Jimmy got his recent DUI. AEW’s roster on social media in these situation act like 24 year old waffle house servers defending their line cook buddy. 100%. Particularly with Max, every time he be popping off in a “serious manner” on Twitter I’m incredibly reminded of his age and how young he still is. I get he’s passionate about AEW, but sometimes remaining quiet is the answer. You gotta know your part and act it well. So Max should know his role and shut his mouth, right?  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2023 13:07:04 GMT -5
Moth, after taking a day and thinking about it I wanted to properly address you statement instead of coming off as I have occasionally in the past as condescending. First and foremost the issue for me with you and your ilk (HAD TO haha) was never truly personal. Your brevity above highlights that. My ignorance, pettiness, and frustration routinely came from a place of confusion instead of malice. I recently finished an assisted a 3 month bid...My first one here in nearly 2 decades and had no clue during that process why I was even banned...At the time I didn't feel like I was even communicating with anyone directly. During that time I sat for a few weeks trying to figure out what the heck I even said this time, out of everything, that would have irked someone.... About halfway through I reached out to a few people over the last 2 decades or so that I have spoken to via X and asked them if they can just have my account deleted. I felt like this place had obviously passed me by and that my opinion, even ignorant, didn't matter. The day after my ban lifted I logged in with the intent on deleting my account and walking away...I saw something though...It sounds weird but as someone who does consider themselves a fan (albeit hyper critical) of AEW (i own merch, figures, the game etc) I always felt like I wasn't allowed to participate here if my opinion didn't meet the status quo. I've never been a team rah-rah guy and at points you had to be. What I saw was that the veil had seemingly lifted and that others I had issues with regarding my opinion were more willing to both listen and accept those criticisms...That is a huge door that I felt was previously closed before and in a lot of ways rightfully so with how I was acting as well... A lot happened during those 3 months...I was promoted at the firm I work at...My mother died unexpectedly and my son started autism school...There was no way I was holding onto that irritation from here.... Anyways...Im here...one last shot at the only place online I have ever really felt is a true part of my day to day process...The past is just that...my block list is empty...and I do not need an explanation from the mods for their decisions...I understand it in a lot of ways even if it could have been done more gracefully. Remember though I am, at heart, a Dick...My beloved Momma named me Richard for a reason. I implore everyone to tell me when I am being stupid...That is how we learn just maybe not in every response? haha Onto 2024 fan and thanks for letting me get that out I apprecate it; I definitely said what I said without any malice or "yeah I agree with Rick and I f***ing hate that guy" or anything; it's that the important shit is where the dumb stuff doesn't matter. A few days before All Out and therefore before the Scrum thread, where we've done a lot of our arguing, my neighbors burned down the building I lived in. Second house fire/relocation in 18 months, that time while taking care of my disabled mother and shouldering full financial burden for her and my sister/sister's schooling. Which I don't think necessarily made me irritable or angry, but does get to the core of the fact that I really enjoy internet dumb shit and arguing about the wrestlemen is a nice thing to do on the side in the midst of being overworked and overburdened. A lot of shit can happen and it's fine to just take the gloves off and say a lot of stuff. Even if someone is being very frustrating, focusing on that frustrating dumb thing is just a nice way to cool off. But you didn't advocate for ethnic cleansing. Whatever stuff I may have argued with or thought was dumb, I didn't think "Wow this guy behind it is rotten". I don't do this shit with malice or to take out anger, but because the low-stakes gladiatorial combat of arguing on internet forums has always been fun. It's a hobby for me. I get colourful sometimes with language and allegory because I'm a writer by trade and I enjoy doing calisthenics with words and being a smartass, but I don't think I could judge someone as objectively a bad person because of what they think about a wrestling show unless it's got to be some real nasty work, and you haven't gone there. I'm not coming in here with any malice on my part either. It's not some bad faith "picking fights with shit I don't believe" garbage, but I say whatever I post and then I go back to work. So I appreciate the honesty, and appreciate the commitment to a fresh start. This thread's a good way to see perspective and that when the chips are down, no lines anyone has drawn need to matter. The big shit is what matters, and on this, we're in total agreement, and I don't think either of us would be willing to engage with that agreement if we just f***ing hated one another. And if the real stuff isn't an obstacle for us then the dumb shit can't ever really matter enough for shit to have to get ugly. Completely based and thank you... Now mods can you please contact someone before you send them on a confusing vacation? Believe me that was the most heartbreaking and isolating feeling of all of it haha |
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Post by tenshi on Aug 19, 2023 13:12:13 GMT -5
According to Fightful, Edge's contract ends in late September so the idea of Edge showing up and saving All In might be out of the question.
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Aug 19, 2023 13:20:04 GMT -5
According to Fightful, Edge's contract ends in late September so the idea of Edge showing up and saving All In might be out of the question. Hmm. Now that makes me wonder if that was really the end yesterday or they fit a little bit more. That probably is the end though. |
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Post by lionheart21 on Aug 19, 2023 13:54:37 GMT -5
According to Fightful, Edge's contract ends in late September so the idea of Edge showing up and saving All In might be out of the question. Hmm. Now that makes me wonder if that was really the end yesterday or they fit a little bit more. That probably is the end though. Maybe a final farewell promo on his last day, but as far as in-ring, I legit feel that was it for him. He did say that he wanted his final WWE match to be in Toronto, and he achieved that. |
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Post by J. Hova on Aug 19, 2023 14:24:04 GMT -5
I'm saying this as a fan of FTR. If he kept this from Tony, he should be fired. If he told Tony and Tony still booked it, Tony is the worst promoter since Dixie.
All that said, I think it is foregone conclusion that the Bucks go over, which is meh since I don't really get the Bucks appeal (not to say they aren't talented, I just hate the superkick spamming and lack of psychology).
I'll also say this as a gun owner and someone who grew up with guns in the house, you want to own a gun, fine. You want to carry a gun, fine. You never, ever take that out unless you are ready to use it and if you are easy to go off, you probably shouldn't have one. I get it, someone cuts you off in traffic or whatever, it is enraging. You flip them the bird and/or wish death upon them and their family. You don't start brandishing a weapon unless you feel you are in imminent danger.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2023 14:54:14 GMT -5
In the Tony Khan being a bitch thread, slickrickstyles and I talked about how Tony could really stand to have a Nick Khan type of person around who has no sentimental or emotional attachment to wrestling beyond it being a business.
This is a good example of why.
But, since Tony Khan is... Tony Khan, it'll be swept under the rug and at best Max Caster will rap about it and we'll all be expected to get a hearty laugh at FTR hair brandishing a deadly weapon.
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Post by Kalmia on Aug 19, 2023 14:57:51 GMT -5
In the Tony Khan being a bitch thread, slickrickstyles and I talked about how Tony could really stand to have a Nick Khan type of person around who has no sentimental or emotional attachment to wrestling beyond it being a business. This is a good example of why.
But, since Tony Khan is... Tony Khan, it'll be swept under the rug and at best Max Caster will rap about it and we'll all be expected to get a hearty laugh at FTR hair brandishing a deadly weapon.
I don't know what a Nick Khan would do in this particular situation though considering what the actual Nick Khan has done about the Usos and their legal issues. |
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Post by daaave on Aug 19, 2023 15:03:23 GMT -5
Nick Khan's job is to maximise profits not deal with talents misdemeanours
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Post by Dub H on Aug 19, 2023 15:05:12 GMT -5
Tk doesn't need a nick Khan, he needs someone that values company image and helps him grow as a boss,that is honest to him when he is being a doormat.There is no specific title for it but it's what he needs
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Post by The Ichi on Aug 19, 2023 15:06:38 GMT -5
Yeah, no. Nick Khan fired a shit ton of people and defends a sexual predator. AEW needs a firm hand, not a complete piece of swamp water.
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Post by polarbearpete on Aug 19, 2023 15:06:58 GMT -5
Nick Khan's job is to maximise profits not deal with talents misdemeanours ***felonies |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2023 15:13:49 GMT -5
Nick Khan's job is to maximise profits not deal with talents misdemeanours
I didn't mean a literal 1:1 replacement, just that Nick has zero f***s to give and no compunction in regards to wrestlers and wrestling's bullshit.
Tony is passionate about wrestling, and that's great. Tony likes to be the good guy, and that is also great, but he needs someone who has authority in his company and has no blinders about wrestling to be the sharp blade when it's time to be the bad guy.
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Post by Harry The Arrow was Wrong! on Aug 19, 2023 15:16:29 GMT -5
Very curious what reaction Cash gets tonight. I'm of the opinion he shouldn't be allowed to work their biggest show ever after the bullshit he's done but I think he's gonna be there unfortunately
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2023 15:39:36 GMT -5
Maybe Tony Khan should join a fight club to help deal with talent related issues?
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