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Post by sdoyle7798 on May 15, 2024 10:02:09 GMT -5
Idk, the police don’t call you up and tell you that a warrant is out on you, that’s not how it works. He might not have known until later on. So firing him for that would have been very unreasonable. Charges are dropped. Bunch of people here judged and covicted him here and passed down their criminal expertise and were wrong. It’s pretty simple, no need to still look for a reason to criminalize the guy. Dropping charges does not mean nothing happened though, if that’s the implication here. There’s a high bar for a criminal conviction and if the witness/victim no longer wanted to testify/cooperate then there’s not much else that can be done. It also doesn't mean something happened as well. |
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on May 15, 2024 10:07:47 GMT -5
I mean, I'm not retracting anything because I still firmly believe that not bothering to give the company a heads-up about it should still itself be a firable offense. “I feel like if Cash actually wrestles at All In at this point it needs to go from, "Tony is a bitch," to, "Tony is disgusting f***ing filth." Probably a bit of an overreaction given how this has all panned out…. Letting a guy with firearms charges (who never communicated he had them to the company) stick around on TV and go do the big UK show is kind of f***ign shitty, yeah, It's not about how things panned out now, it's about the diligence at the time to handle that situation in the moment. One of the things I will give WWE is that if you get charges or something against you, they'll take you off TV, promise to stand with you if they turn out to not be true, but still have you lie low for the time being. It's a caution that Tony should probably look into exercising. |
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Post by polarbearpete on May 15, 2024 10:24:04 GMT -5
Dropping charges does not mean nothing happened though, if that’s the implication here. There’s a high bar for a criminal conviction and if the witness/victim no longer wanted to testify/cooperate then there’s not much else that can be done. It also doesn't mean something happened as well. Sure, and people are free to believe what they want based on what we’ve heard/seen. Just saying the dropping of charges is not necessarily an “I told you so” moment. |
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Post by Pure Fusion Jesse Walsh on May 15, 2024 10:32:15 GMT -5
His hair should get a separate prison sentence.
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Post by The Captain on May 15, 2024 11:27:34 GMT -5
The court of public opinion is going to be free to believe what it wants to believe. The American court system ideally operates on the presumption of innocence and at the last minute, it seems like the prosecutors didn't have the evidence or corroborated testimony to say otherwise. So charges were ultimately dropped.
Does this mean nothing definitely happened? No. It just means Cash is a very lucky man; either because he's an innocent man who was the victim of a spiteful driver whose scheme didn't work out or because he did something really stupid but there was no real evidence to nail him on it.
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Post by bearned on May 15, 2024 12:07:30 GMT -5
“I feel like if Cash actually wrestles at All In at this point it needs to go from, "Tony is a bitch," to, "Tony is disgusting f***ing filth." Probably a bit of an overreaction given how this has all panned out…. Letting a guy with firearms charges (who never communicated he had them to the company) stick around on TV and go do the big UK show is kind of f***ign shitty, yeah, It's not about how things panned out now, it's about the diligence at the time to handle that situation in the moment. One of the things I will give AEW is that if you get charges or something against you, they'll take you off TV, promise to stand with you if they turn out to not be true, but still have you lie low for the time being. It's a caution that Tony should probably look into exercising. We really have no idea what sort of process they went through in deciding to allow him to wrestle but clearly the decision was totally justified as the case has been dropped. Also at no time was he banned by the court from traveling overseas and I assume he had no previous record of being involved in anything like this before. So you are going to remove a guy from the biggest show in the company’s history over something that has ultimately been thrown out of court. Could this have turned out another way? Maybe. But it didn’t, |
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Post by polarbearpete on May 15, 2024 12:26:20 GMT -5
Letting a guy with firearms charges (who never communicated he had them to the company) stick around on TV and go do the big UK show is kind of f***ign shitty, yeah, It's not about how things panned out now, it's about the diligence at the time to handle that situation in the moment. One of the things I will give AEW is that if you get charges or something against you, they'll take you off TV, promise to stand with you if they turn out to not be true, but still have you lie low for the time being. It's a caution that Tony should probably look into exercising. We really have no idea what sort of process they went through in deciding to allow him to wrestle but clearly the decision was totally justified as the case has been dropped. Also at no time was he banned by the court from traveling overseas and I assume he had no previous record of being involved in anything like this before. So you are going to remove a guy from the biggest show in the company’s history over something that has ultimately been thrown out of court. Could this have turned out another way? Maybe. But it didn’t, People get suspended pending the disposition of criminal charges against them all the time in the employment realm, and sometimes the charges are dropped. |
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on May 15, 2024 12:53:46 GMT -5
Letting a guy with firearms charges (who never communicated he had them to the company) stick around on TV and go do the big UK show is kind of f***ign shitty, yeah, It's not about how things panned out now, it's about the diligence at the time to handle that situation in the moment. One of the things I will give AEW is that if you get charges or something against you, they'll take you off TV, promise to stand with you if they turn out to not be true, but still have you lie low for the time being. It's a caution that Tony should probably look into exercising. We really have no idea what sort of process they went through in deciding to allow him to wrestle but clearly the decision was totally justified as the case has been dropped. Also at no time was he banned by the court from traveling overseas and I assume he had no previous record of being involved in anything like this before. So you are going to remove a guy from the biggest show in the company’s history over something that has ultimately been thrown out of court. Could this have turned out another way? Maybe. But it didn’t, Unless you're arguing from the position that Tony Khan has precognitive powers, I don't see what peoples' opinions nine months ago of the reasonable response to a wrestler being arrested nine months ago have to do with the developments in the case today. Like you're specifically trucking out the views at the time about how Tony should handle this until it's resolved, how it has now turned out does not make people wrong nine months ago in how they think an arrest for gun charges should be handled. |
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on May 15, 2024 13:30:03 GMT -5
I think insisting on Cash being the scum of the earth and insisting he should be gone in light of what we actually know is a f***ing weird hill to die on.
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Post by Mecca on May 15, 2024 13:35:54 GMT -5
I think insisting on Cash being the scum of the earth and insisting he should be gone in light of what we actually know is a f***ing weird hill to die on. It's extremely weird, it's not like he has an entire history of being a shithead or anything. |
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on May 15, 2024 13:38:32 GMT -5
it's funnier that the charges got dropped after all this, to me. That's how all these things should be graded, whether it's funnier to you or not. Not you as in the royal you, you as in specifically me
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on May 15, 2024 13:40:32 GMT -5
I think insisting on Cash being the scum of the earth and insisting he should be gone in light of what we actually know is a f***ing weird hill to die on. It's extremely weird, it's not like he has an entire history of being a shithead or anything. Ok but being a shithead and being a criminal are two different things. And I'm sorry, if the only evidence is another guy making a complaint after the fact with no eye witnesses that doesn't exactly scream guilty to me. Maybe he did do it, maybe this other guy was feeling vindictive and made it up. It just seems weird to me to continue hammering on a dude with such flimsy evidence that even prosecutors decided wasn't worth pursuing. |
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Post by Gawk Rivers on May 15, 2024 13:40:44 GMT -5
If you're looking for trouble his bite *is* worse than his bark but can one prosecute on just a bark? 🤔
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Post by Denny Zen is Cooking™ on May 15, 2024 13:42:22 GMT -5
I don't think that it is responsible to look at this as a binary "something happened" versus "nothing happened" situation.
There was obviously a road rage incident, and the prosecuting witness obviously felt as if it was serious enough to justify swearing a criminal warrant against Cash. At least initially, the prosecutors felt that there was enough there to indict. Seemingly, as the discovery process played out, it became clear that the prosecutors did not believe that they were going to be able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Cash was guilty of a criminal offense, so the criminal charges were dropped. Nothing more, nothing less.
It's a perfectly fair discussion to question whether Cash should have been appearing on television while the process played out, but beyond that, no one should really have any opinion regarding Cash's level of culpability for being indicted in the first place because we, quite simply, do not have enough information and he was not ultimately convicted of a crime.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2024 17:04:03 GMT -5
It's extremely weird, it's not like he has an entire history of being a shithead or anything. Ok but being a shithead and being a criminal are two different things. And I'm sorry, if the only evidence is another guy making a complaint after the fact with no eye witnesses that doesn't exactly scream guilty to me. Maybe he did do it, maybe this other guy was feeling vindictive and made it up. It just seems weird to me to continue hammering on a dude with such flimsy evidence that even prosecutors decided wasn't worth pursuing. My dad is both, though! |
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Post by Oak: Certified Jade Hater on May 15, 2024 18:10:37 GMT -5
I just like Cash and prefer him over Dax. That’s my big contribution to today.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on May 15, 2024 21:18:05 GMT -5
This is very Dax:
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on May 15, 2024 21:20:18 GMT -5
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Post by cjb01: Limited Edition Item! on May 15, 2024 21:21:44 GMT -5
This sets up the America's Most Wanted Tag Team feud really well  |
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Post by ChitownKnight on May 15, 2024 21:56:11 GMT -5
We really have no idea what sort of process they went through in deciding to allow him to wrestle but clearly the decision was totally justified as the case has been dropped. Also at no time was he banned by the court from traveling overseas and I assume he had no previous record of being involved in anything like this before. So you are going to remove a guy from the biggest show in the company’s history over something that has ultimately been thrown out of court. Could this have turned out another way? Maybe. But it didn’t, People get suspended pending the disposition of criminal charges against them all the time in the employment realm, and sometimes the charges are dropped. That doesn’t make it right, unless the person has a history of doing such things like Jeff Hardy with DUIs or Vince with well you know |
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