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Post by Alyce: Old Media Enthusiast on May 2, 2024 11:58:16 GMT -5
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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 2, 2024 18:24:01 GMT -5
How much revisionist Vince totally killed the poor innocent territories who just wanted to live in peace is this going to be >_>
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on May 2, 2024 19:01:32 GMT -5
Sandman looked decently healthy. I don’t keep up with the guy but last I saw him he looked f***ing terrible.
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Post by hassanchop on May 3, 2024 4:49:32 GMT -5
The fights he had with The Mountie which the Steiners instigated. He was a bully according to JR, but he has sworn not to appear on the show again, so not much on that. He was depressed and always drinking, and not good with fans according to Bret Hart, and was relieved when on fan asked for his autograph. Other than that, not sure. Speaking of the Steiners, that might be an understated idea for a future episode. Being bullies backstage in WCW, being stiff to opponents, Scott's loose cannon tendencies on and off of wrestling shows, Rick's outburst at that con 1-2 years ago... And that one time he encountered Hogan's present wife at an airport which got him barred from attending Wrestlemania 31
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Post by jean0987654321 on May 4, 2024 20:05:38 GMT -5
I'm still surprised Sandman is still alive. I get how RVD and Sabu is still alive (only did pills and weed). But Sandman? He did EVERYTHING
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Post by Alyce: Old Media Enthusiast on May 7, 2024 16:39:02 GMT -5
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Post by chrom on May 7, 2024 17:28:10 GMT -5
I'm still surprised Sandman is still alive. I get how RVD and Sabu is still alive (only did pills and weed). But Sandman? He did EVERYTHING Like Mr. Burns, he has every known disease but they are all countering each other.
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Post by john84 on May 7, 2024 17:30:33 GMT -5
I'm still surprised Sandman is still alive. I get how RVD and Sabu is still alive (only did pills and weed). But Sandman? He did EVERYTHING Like Mr. Burns, he has every known disease but they are all countering each other. Sandman: So...What you're saying Doc is...I'm invincible! Doctor: Well no, I mean... Sandman: (Walking out, speaking to himself) I'm invincible...
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Post by Andee9001 on May 8, 2024 4:35:19 GMT -5
I liked how the finale focused on the deal itself and how it impacted all involved. Learning more of the background and the power plays that went on was interesting. The most i knew about Black Saturday was mainly how poorly Vince's show was recieved and how it created his grudge against Ted Turner.
You could tell though at the end that they were just chomping at the bits to talk all about the Vince stuff and the talks about the death of the territories probably could've used the focus instead. I'm sure there will be a time and a place for a more in depth look once the dust settles.
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on May 8, 2024 6:26:49 GMT -5
I got to hear Ole tell this story in the lobby of a Hilton in Charlotte, probably in 2008 or 2009. In his account, Vince had already approached him twice with the, “It’s just business, come work for us” pitch, with Ole replying, “f*** you” both times. The third time, Vince opened with, “I’d like you to meet my wife, Linda,” to which Ole replied, “f*** you and f*** her too!” Vince got pissed and said, “You will never work for me!,” which Ole acknowledged was true. I’ve seen people say that he regretted it. In my opinion…kind of. He said something to the effect of, “I probably should have kept my mouth shut and made a lot of money.” His opinion of Vince and the WWF never improved, but Ole always loved making money.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on May 8, 2024 7:58:11 GMT -5
How much revisionist Vince totally killed the poor innocent territories who just wanted to live in peace is this going to be >_> Hey, they just wanted to entertain the kids and read their bibles before Vince came along.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 8, 2024 8:19:07 GMT -5
I got to hear Ole tell this story in the lobby of a Hilton in Charlotte, probably in 2008 or 2009. In his account, Vince had already approached him twice with the, “It’s just business, come work for us” pitch, with Ole replying, “f*** you” both times. The third time, Vince opened with, “I’d like you to meet my wife, Linda,” to which Ole replied, “f*** you and f*** her too!” Vince got pissed and said, “You will never work for me!,” which Ole acknowledged was true. I’ve seen people say that he regretted it. In my opinion…kind of. He said something to the effect of, “I probably should have kept my mouth shut and made a lot of money.” His opinion of Vince and the WWF never improved, but Ole always loved making money. There was allegedly a follow up when Vince bought WCW for Ole to join the company. He asked "does Vince still work there? Then I'm afraid I can't he said I'd never work for him. And I'd hate to make a liar out of him." But he also probably figured most of the money he could have made at that point was gone
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Post by chrom on May 8, 2024 9:03:12 GMT -5
I got to hear Ole tell this story in the lobby of a Hilton in Charlotte, probably in 2008 or 2009. In his account, Vince had already approached him twice with the, “It’s just business, come work for us” pitch, with Ole replying, “f*** you” both times. The third time, Vince opened with, “I’d like you to meet my wife, Linda,” to which Ole replied, “f*** you and f*** her too!” Vince got pissed and said, “You will never work for me!,” which Ole acknowledged was true. I’ve seen people say that he regretted it. In my opinion…kind of. He said something to the effect of, “I probably should have kept my mouth shut and made a lot of money.” His opinion of Vince and the WWF never improved, but Ole always loved making money. That would've required him not being a miserable bastard for more than five minutes.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on May 8, 2024 9:16:29 GMT -5
Boy, that epilogue about Vince's downfall feels completely out of place and irrelevant to the rest of the episode.
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Post by BRV on May 8, 2024 13:47:19 GMT -5
Boy, that epilogue about Vince's downfall feels completely out of place and irrelevant to the rest of the episode. That's how I felt about it as well. If you're going to devote any time to the tumultuous end of Vince McMahon's tenure in professional wrestling, it has to be more than a 90-second denouement at the close of an unrelated episode. I also found it particularly odd that Jim Cornette was waxing poetically about the end of the glory days of wrestling in response to the Endeavor sale, but that's neither here nor there. Anyway, the entire hour-long episode could have been summed up by the very last person to speak. Dave Meltzer summed it all up by saying that cable television was eventually going t kill the territories, Vince McMahon was just the first person to recognize it and was the one who became the most successful. As I've said in the past, if it wasn't Vince McMahon with the WWF and USA Network, it would have been Verne Gagne with the AWA and ESPN or Jim Crockett with JCP and TBS or the Von Erichs and WCCW. But with the way cable television was rapidly growing and expanding in the 1980s, some promoter would have taken it by the reigns and gone national. It probably didn't hurt that Vince and the WWF were operating in the largest media market in the country, while the others were in Minneapolis, Atlanta, Dallas, and the like. On that alone, WWF already had a head start. People like to make Vince McMahon the villain for destroying the territories and cannibalizing the industry, but he was just the one with the foresight to see what the future held and get out ahead of everybody else. You can make him the villain for plenty of other issues, but he was the one who realized the territory days were numbered with the advent of cable TV. With cable thriving and the Internet a decade away, the territory system was simply unsustainable.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on May 8, 2024 14:15:47 GMT -5
Boy, that epilogue about Vince's downfall feels completely out of place and irrelevant to the rest of the episode. That's how I felt about it as well. If you're going to devote any time to the tumultuous end of Vince McMahon's tenure in professional wrestling, it has to be more than a 90-second denouement at the close of an unrelated episode. I also found it particularly odd that Jim Cornette was waxing poetically about the end of the glory days of wrestling in response to the Endeavor sale, but that's neither here nor there. Anyway, the entire hour-long episode could have been summed up by the very last person to speak. Dave Meltzer summed it all up by saying that cable television was eventually going t kill the territories, Vince McMahon was just the first person to recognize it and was the one who became the most successful. As I've said in the past, if it wasn't Vince McMahon with the WWF and USA Network, it would have been Verne Gagne with the AWA and ESPN or Jim Crockett with JCP and TBS or the Von Erichs and WCCW. But with the way cable television was rapidly growing and expanding in the 1980s, some promoter would have taken it by the reigns and gone national. It probably didn't hurt that Vince and the WWF were operating in the largest media market in the country, while the others were in Minneapolis, Atlanta, Dallas, and the like. On that alone, WWF already had a head start. People like to make Vince McMahon the villain for destroying the territories and cannibalizing the industry, but he was just the one with the foresight to see what the future held and get out ahead of everybody else. You can make him the villain for plenty of other issues, but he was the one who realized the territory days were numbered with the advent of cable TV. With cable thriving and the Internet a decade away, the territory system was simply unsustainable. Yep. Any promotor who paints Vince as a villain about this is just angry that he did it first.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 8, 2024 16:31:19 GMT -5
That's how I felt about it as well. If you're going to devote any time to the tumultuous end of Vince McMahon's tenure in professional wrestling, it has to be more than a 90-second denouement at the close of an unrelated episode. I also found it particularly odd that Jim Cornette was waxing poetically about the end of the glory days of wrestling in response to the Endeavor sale, but that's neither here nor there. Anyway, the entire hour-long episode could have been summed up by the very last person to speak. Dave Meltzer summed it all up by saying that cable television was eventually going t kill the territories, Vince McMahon was just the first person to recognize it and was the one who became the most successful. As I've said in the past, if it wasn't Vince McMahon with the WWF and USA Network, it would have been Verne Gagne with the AWA and ESPN or Jim Crockett with JCP and TBS or the Von Erichs and WCCW. But with the way cable television was rapidly growing and expanding in the 1980s, some promoter would have taken it by the reigns and gone national. It probably didn't hurt that Vince and the WWF were operating in the largest media market in the country, while the others were in Minneapolis, Atlanta, Dallas, and the like. On that alone, WWF already had a head start. People like to make Vince McMahon the villain for destroying the territories and cannibalizing the industry, but he was just the one with the foresight to see what the future held and get out ahead of everybody else. You can make him the villain for plenty of other issues, but he was the one who realized the territory days were numbered with the advent of cable TV. With cable thriving and the Internet a decade away, the territory system was simply unsustainable. Yep. Any promotor who paints Vince as a villain about this is just angry that he did it first. Yep, that's always been my stance it's sour grapes that Vince did what they wanted to do... some of the old timers love to do this Kumbaya we were all separate fiefdoms that didn't mess with each other is rose tinted glasses at best and utter bullshit at worst. It is one of my problems with Dark side of the ring they made Vince out to be the Villain in random episodes he had nothing to do with... like the UWF. Sure the promoter was a coked up lunatic but it failed because mean old Vince re-signed the nearly immobile Andre the giant. Vince is a shithead, there's plenty of shitty things he actually did you could talk about. Bringing him up and making him out to be a villain in shit he had nothing or very little to do with just makes the rest of your reporting on him look suspect.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on May 8, 2024 17:33:33 GMT -5
Yep. Any promotor who paints Vince as a villain about this is just angry that he did it first. Yep, that's always been my stance it's sour grapes that Vince did what they wanted to do... some of the old timers love to do this Kumbaya we were all separate fiefdoms that didn't mess with each other is rose tinted glasses at best and utter bullshit at worst. It is one of my problems with Dark side of the ring they made Vince out to be the Villain in random episodes he had nothing to do with... like the UWF. Sure the promoter was a coked up lunatic but it failed because mean old Vince re-signed the nearly immobile Andre the giant. Vince is a shithead, there's plenty of shitty things he actually did you could talk about. Bringing him up and making him out to be a villain in shit he had nothing or very little to do with just makes the rest of your reporting on him look suspect. Right. Like, they could easily do a companion series called "Awful shit Vince did" and fill several seasons and that's *without even getting to the sexual assault stuff*. With stuff like the UWF episode, I feel like they use Vince stuff to pad it, spice it up, or give it an ending because they were stuck for bullet points on the topic at hand
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Post by wildojinx on May 8, 2024 21:28:43 GMT -5
Well, time to speculate on episodes for a hypothetical season 6:
Virgil Manny Fernandez Renegade Missy Hyatt Dick Murdoch Jim Duggan Heroes of Wrestling Pro Wrestling USA (though that might have been better for Tales from the Territories) The Gilberts (2 hours, one on Eddie, one on Doug) Kamala
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Post by john84 on May 8, 2024 21:30:14 GMT -5
A Renegade one would interest me. Kinda be interested in Missy Hyatt as well.
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