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Post by salz4life on Sept 7, 2023 11:54:14 GMT -5
I can't get over that WWE had a young performer named Onicka Maraj do "I Ain't The Lady To Mess With" for Victoria, and it just... never seemed to occur to them to do anything with that song ever again once the now Nicki Minaj became one of the biggest goddamn names in music. I don't even like her, and that's bafflingly stupid. I remember when Nicki became big I always through Victoria's theme song sounded like her but I never had confirmation until now.
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Post by Spider2024 on Sept 7, 2023 12:00:01 GMT -5
Not that I hate 2000s era teeny-rock, but WWE 2K22 filled almost their entire soundtrack with songs of that genre. Plus only 1 or 2 of those songs were particularly good.
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Post by crashmatsbazz on Sept 7, 2023 12:02:08 GMT -5
And jizzing $500,000 up the wall to book them. The amount of money WCW wasted on music-related stuff around that time was crazy. Master P was paid millions to make a few appearances and take part in that terrible No Limit Soldiers/West Texas Rednecks feud. They paid James Brown to show up and dance for a couple minutes at Superbrawl but the way it was built up it seemed like The Cat was a delusional heel who was lying so no one really expected Brown to actually be there and they never got any extra PPV buys out of it. Big money to Kiss for that concert and the rights to use the Demon character. Also The Demon was contracted to have a certain number of PPV main events even though he sucked and wasn't over so he would just wrestle a crappy lowcard match but the commentators would describe it as "one of our main events tonight" so I guess that was enough to fulfil that contractual obligation or KISS just didn't care enough to kick up a fuss about it. Megadeth paid to close Nitro with a concert that was ratings poison then paid more to license Crush Em as Goldberg's theme which they gave up on after a couple months because it just didn't fit Goldberg at all and was hurting his crowd reactions. Also lets not forget The Misfits. Coming in having a 2 matches hanging around with Vampiro and then WCW using Kong at the Gates for Vamps theme for a bit. That wouldnt have come cheap either
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Post by Mozenrath on Sept 7, 2023 13:18:15 GMT -5
WCW using KISS in 1999. also see the Misfits....kinda, it was Graves era Misfits so they don't really count. Also WCW having Bob Mold work for them and do nothing musically was a bit silly. KISS in the late '90s were in the midst of an attempted big push for a new album, the "Detroit Rock City" movie, and the WCW thing fed into that. The bigger issue is more just that Bischoff was paying them too much money for it. It did end up being a bit of a flop, the KISS revival, but it was a current underperformance, at least. ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png)
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Sept 7, 2023 14:46:58 GMT -5
now i'm sad we haven't gotten more peter gabriel ppv theme songs
bring back big time you cowards
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Post by ANuclearError on Sept 7, 2023 14:54:45 GMT -5
Not really the OP's intent, but there are many examples of stock music being used on DVDs/network instead of the original. Sometimes it's suitable, sometimes really not. I have a WWE DVD with a match featuring...I think Dusty Rhodes... and they've replaced his music with stock music. Unfortunately it's the same stock music that the producers of mid-90s low-rate British daytime quiz show 'Supermarket Sweep' used as the theme music throughout that programme. I spat out my tea the first time I heard it and it took me a few seconds to process the jarring collision of worlds. Dusty must have had that a lot. I distinctly remember seeing footage from Wrestlemania 6, where he comes out to the UK Wheel of Fortune's music.
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Post by cjh on Sept 7, 2023 15:32:49 GMT -5
The UK Wheel of Fortune theme was used to replace Dusty Rhodes's "American Dream" music (composed by Jimmy Hart) exactly once, on the 2005 DVD release of WrestleMania 6. It's the only time WWE has ever replaced that theme.
Dusty's 2006 DVD set has "American Dream" on all of his WWE matches, including the WM 6 bout. "American Dream" is also used countless times on WWE Network.
Funnily enough, the WoF UK theme song is also used as Vanna White's dubbed theme on WrestleMania 4.
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Post by Hernan on Sept 7, 2023 15:38:12 GMT -5
I'll be honest. I always had a feel WWE was out of touch with music but from the custom music perspective back in the day. Don't get me wrong there were some iconic songs but I personally feel it could have been better sounding wise but at the same time, I should keep in mind Jim Johnston was doing all the work opposed to a crew as later seen in CFO$ and def rebel. In regards of mainstream music, it's not about being in or out of touch, I feel it's more of how do you use it. I mean, it depends the context where you can fit the song. The attempts at a wholesome rapper gimmick like Men on a Mission or “make a difference” Fatu. Please correct me if I’m wrong, I’m Not a follower of hip hop, but gangsta rap was already a thing by then, it was the age of Tupac and Biggie, the more “kid friendly” hip hop of the 80’s was already looking outdated and corny. It also didn't help that Jim Johnson wasn't any good at recreating a hip hop beat. Always rap rock. Actually, it was Big Time (still an odd choice, but Gabriel at least had a Greatest Hits album out at the time). Even though the song was still popular at the time, WWF used Michael Jackson's Thriller (a song from 1982) as the theme song for Championship Wrestling from 1984 up through the summer of 1986. I'm currently watching the OVP podcast episodes dealing with this time period and the hosts are just sick of it by this point (1986). You'd think a company wanting to seem contemporary would have switched it out to a more recent song by that point. Wasn't Thriller really popular throughout the 80s after it came out? I'm sure it was kind of old, but I could see a song that popular being used for several years. I'd say MJ was maddening huge in the 1980s through the 2000s. Since 2010s, for some reason, you don't see MJ music played in pro wrestling not even in independent wrestling unless you include Santana Jackson. He used "Billie Jean" at ICP's promotion a year ago but I normally see him using "Smooth Criminal" by Alien Ant Farm. The amount of money WCW wasted on music-related stuff around that time was crazy. Master P was paid millions to make a few appearances and take part in that terrible No Limit Soldiers/West Texas Rednecks feud. They paid James Brown to show up and dance for a couple minutes at Superbrawl but the way it was built up it seemed like The Cat was a delusional heel who was lying so no one really expected Brown to actually be there and they never got any extra PPV buys out of it. Big money to Kiss for that concert and the rights to use the Demon character. Also The Demon was contracted to have a certain number of PPV main events even though he sucked and wasn't over so he would just wrestle a crappy lowcard match but the commentators would describe it as "one of our main events tonight" so I guess that was enough to fulfil that contractual obligation or KISS just didn't care enough to kick up a fuss about it. Megadeth paid to close Nitro with a concert that was ratings poison then paid more to license Crush Em as Goldberg's theme which they gave up on after a couple months because it just didn't fit Goldberg at all and was hurting his crowd reactions. Also lets not forget The Misfits. Coming in having a 2 matches hanging around with Vampiro and then WCW using Kong at the Gates for Vamps theme for a bit. That wouldnt have come cheap either Don't forget Insane Clown Posse.
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Post by sarkerpolseng on Sept 7, 2023 15:38:49 GMT -5
Ummmmmmmmm Kid Rock anytime after 2001.
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Post by theghostofalwilson on Sept 7, 2023 18:33:06 GMT -5
now i'm sad we haven't gotten more peter gabriel ppv theme songs bring back big time you cowards Sledgehammer would have worked so well for a PPV with Triple H heavily featured. Digging in the Dirt for one with a Buried Alive match ... Don't Give Up for one with a Submission/I quit match (ok maybe that's pushing it).
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Post by tafkaga on Sept 7, 2023 18:37:53 GMT -5
Tell Me a Lie and You Start the Fire *shiver*
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Post by theghostofalwilson on Sept 7, 2023 18:40:27 GMT -5
Wrestlemania The Album in 92-93 had Stock/Aitken/Waterman producing. They were very popular in the mid to late 80's and even 1990, but by 1992-1993 their star had faded a bit and the sound on several songs on there felt dated even in 92/93. I do personally enjoy both Slam Jam and Wrestlemania though.
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Post by theghostofalwilson on Sept 7, 2023 18:44:32 GMT -5
Aretha Franklin's Respect being used to hype Bret Hart's title match at Wrestlemania 9. I suppose you can say it's a timeless classic but I still found it odd to use a 60's song to hype this match in 1993. I wouldn't say this counts at all. On top of being timeless, it did have a big resurgence in the early 90s across being licensed for a bunch of media. If anything, it was WWF being very *in* touch. I didn't know it had a resurgence ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) I thought it was just Vince having a soft spot for Aretha Franklin after Wrestlemania 3 and letting Bret talk about respect as an excuse to feauture the song.
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Post by Aceorton on Sept 7, 2023 20:44:46 GMT -5
The UK Wheel of Fortune theme was used to replace Dusty Rhodes's "American Dream" music (composed by Jimmy Hart) exactly once, on the 2005 DVD release of WrestleMania 6. It's the only time WWE has ever replaced that theme. Dusty's 2006 DVD set has "American Dream" on all of his WWE matches, including the WM 6 bout. "American Dream" is also used countless times on WWE Network. I want to look into the eyes of the person who heard this theme and said, "Stop. There. That's it. That, my friends, is the essence of Dusty Rhodes." I nominate "Sexy Boy" for this thread. Jimmy Hart themes all sound very '80s, even the ones written in the '90s. This one was already sounding pretty dated before Michaels even won the world title in '96, and yet the man has used it for MORE THAN 27 YEARS since, even as he lost his hair and became cross-eyed. I get it -- it's too late to change. It's his theme forever. But it's totally ridiculous. And him doing his own vocals makes it 10x worse.
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Post by Hypnosis on Sept 7, 2023 20:49:34 GMT -5
The UK Wheel of Fortune theme was used to replace Dusty Rhodes's "American Dream" music (composed by Jimmy Hart) exactly once, on the 2005 DVD release of WrestleMania 6. It's the only time WWE has ever replaced that theme. Dusty's 2006 DVD set has "American Dream" on all of his WWE matches, including the WM 6 bout. "American Dream" is also used countless times on WWE Network. I want to look into the eyes of the person who heard this theme and said, "Stop. There. That's it. That, my friends, is the essence of Dusty Rhodes." I nominate "Sexy Boy" for this thread. Jimmy Hart themes all sound very '80s, even the ones written in the '90s. This one was already sounding pretty dated before Michaels even won the world title in '96, and yet the man has used it for MORE THAN 27 YEARS since, even as he lost his hair and became cross-eyed. I get it -- it's too late to change. It's his theme forever. But it's totally ridiculous. And him doing his own vocals makes it 10x worse. Even back in 2002, I remember Lawler's SYM commentary about HBK saying:"Is he still breaking hearts at his age?"
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Sept 8, 2023 11:06:17 GMT -5
The amount of money WCW wasted on music-related stuff around that time was crazy. Master P was paid millions to make a few appearances and take part in that terrible No Limit Soldiers/West Texas Rednecks feud. They paid James Brown to show up and dance for a couple minutes at Superbrawl but the way it was built up it seemed like The Cat was a delusional heel who was lying so no one really expected Brown to actually be there and they never got any extra PPV buys out of it. Big money to Kiss for that concert and the rights to use the Demon character. Also The Demon was contracted to have a certain number of PPV main events even though he sucked and wasn't over so he would just wrestle a crappy lowcard match but the commentators would describe it as "one of our main events tonight" so I guess that was enough to fulfil that contractual obligation or KISS just didn't care enough to kick up a fuss about it. Megadeth paid to close Nitro with a concert that was ratings poison then paid more to license Crush Em as Goldberg's theme which they gave up on after a couple months because it just didn't fit Goldberg at all and was hurting his crowd reactions. Also lets not forget The Misfits. Coming in having a 2 matches hanging around with Vampiro and then WCW using Kong at the Gates for Vamps theme for a bit. That wouldnt have come cheap either Sure it wasn't that much. That era of the Misfits was desperate for attention.
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Post by Hulkshi Tanahashi on Sept 8, 2023 11:56:45 GMT -5
I can't get over that WWE had a young performer named Onicka Maraj do "I Ain't The Lady To Mess With" for Victoria, and it just... never seemed to occur to them to do anything with that song ever again once the now Nicki Minaj became one of the biggest goddamn names in music. I don't even like her, and that's bafflingly stupid. Holy shit! I had no idea that was Nicki Minaj! But now that I think about it, that definitely sounded like her.
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Post by Hulkshi Tanahashi on Sept 8, 2023 12:02:59 GMT -5
Wrestlemania The Album in 92-93 had Stock/Aitken/Waterman producing. They were very popular in the mid to late 80's and even 1990, but by 1992-1993 their star had faded a bit and the sound on several songs on there felt dated even in 92/93. I do personally enjoy both Slam Jam and Wrestlemania though. And that was in the UK. America was pretty much done with the SAW sound after Rick Astley and Kylie Minogue’s “Loco-Motion” cover.
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Post by Hernan on Sept 8, 2023 12:08:20 GMT -5
I can't get over that WWE had a young performer named Onicka Maraj do "I Ain't The Lady To Mess With" for Victoria, and it just... never seemed to occur to them to do anything with that song ever again once the now Nicki Minaj became one of the biggest goddamn names in music. I don't even like her, and that's bafflingly stupid. Holy shit! I had no idea that was Nicki Minaj! But now that I think about it, that definitely sounded like her. It was during the period she was part of the group The Hood$tars. I think one of the members, Lucien "Loustar" George did vocals for Shelton Benjamin's initial version of "Ain't No Stoppin' Me", which both were featured on the "ThemeAddict" WWE album released in 2005. The Hood$tars was short lived and Minaj would find better success as a solo artist.
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Sept 8, 2023 13:09:22 GMT -5
Also lets not forget The Misfits. Coming in having a 2 matches hanging around with Vampiro and then WCW using Kong at the Gates for Vamps theme for a bit. That wouldnt have come cheap either Sure it wasn't that much. That era of the Misfits was desperate for attention. Not to mention, Jerry Only is crazy. Even Doyle (his little brother for those who don’t know) has said it. Nice guy, great with fans, but as much as people (fairly) point out that his merchandising efforts are probably second only to Kiss, if he gets an idea for something he wants to do, he’ll bust his ass to make it happen. “Hey, it would be cool if George Romero directed our music video!” George Romero directed their video for Scream. “The lead singer has flaked a few times. f*** it, I’ll do it! That way I know the singer will be there.” “Ozzfest was pretty big, I’d like to do that!” Then there’s Fiend Fest with the Damned, the Dickies, Agnostic Front, and I forget who else. “Being on Geffen and Roadrunner sucked, I’m going to start my own record label with global distribution!” And he did. That’s just off the top of my head and stuff that made the light of day. In the mid ‘90s, he thought it would be cool to bring back late night horror hosts, so he made a deal with the Chiller Theater to film three pilot episodes complete with commercial bumpers and interviews with classic horror guests. That never went anywhere, but I had a bootlegged DVD of of one of them at one time. He filmed some kind of short film with Doug Bradley of Hellraiser fame. I’ve only seen a single still from it, but it seemed to feature Jerry as a vampire and Doug as a Van Helsing-type character. That, along with a planned concert at the ruins of Dracula’s castle seemed to be cancelled when the reunion with Danzig ended Jerry’s solo Misfits projects. With WCW, it’s apparently a case where his son became a wrestling fan and Jerry thought, “Hey it would be cool if I could win a wrestling belt and bring it home and show my kid!,” so next thing you know, he’s getting his ass kicked by Dr. Death in a cage match.
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