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Post by The Rick Jericho on Sept 6, 2023 17:09:42 GMT -5
There are two that immediately that come to mind for me.
1. InVasion PPV due to the WCW interpromotional feud.
2. Night of Champions 2015, people bought the show due to Sting.
What other instances are there for one off PPV buyrate spikes?
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Sept 6, 2023 18:14:10 GMT -5
Unforgiven 2000 did much higher than you would expect a non-big four PPV to do given it had the Angle/Triple H singles match that they were building to all summer.
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Post by theghostofalwilson on Sept 6, 2023 18:19:53 GMT -5
Unforgiven 2000 did much higher than you would expect a non-big four PPV to do given it had the Angle/Triple H singles match that they were building to all summer. One of the best built feuds of all time imo, it had been a really slow build where they planted the seeds at the beginning of the year and then it kicked into high gear early in the summer. But then they did that poor finish to the Unforgiven match, and went back to Triple H and Stephanie and when they tried to resume the feud later they never captured lightning in a bottle like that again. |
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Post by Mozenrath on Sept 6, 2023 18:35:59 GMT -5
Unforgiven 2000 did much higher than you would expect a non-big four PPV to do given it had the Angle/Triple H singles match that they were building to all summer. Similarly, Backlash 2000 did huge numbers, both because of Austin returning and since Rock vs Triple H would finally be occurring after the 4-way from 'Mania and other angles were keeping Rock and Triple H separated from one on one conflict. Some reminders that, while Triple H has been placed on a pedestal to a comical degree sometimes, he absolutely did draw and justified his spot. It's more just the self-indulgence over the years since then that sully things. |
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Post by The Rick Jericho on Sept 6, 2023 18:38:12 GMT -5
Unforgiven 2000 did much higher than you would expect a non-big four PPV to do given it had the Angle/Triple H singles match that they were building to all summer. Similarly, Backlash 2000 did huge numbers, both because of Austin returning and since Rock vs Triple H would finally be occurring after the 4-way from 'Mania and other angles were keeping Rock and Triple H separated from one on one conflict. Some reminders that, while Triple H has been placed on a pedestal to a comical degree sometimes, he absolutely did draw and justified his spot. It's more just the self-indulgence over the years since then that sully things. You can break Triple H's career down. But his 1999 post DX heel turn to his 2001 quad injury. He was the man, who drew, could outwork the majority of the roster. And was a perfectly built heel, who by early 2001 the fans desperately wanted to cheer. |
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Post by Main Eventer on Sept 6, 2023 18:40:24 GMT -5
ECW One Night Stand 2005 did so well that WWE made ECW its own show in 2006.
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Post by cjh on Sept 6, 2023 18:53:14 GMT -5
Unforgiven 2000 did much higher than you would expect a non-big four PPV to do given it had the Angle/Triple H singles match that they were building to all summer. It also had Steve Austin's return (though they waited another month for his first match). |
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Post by Mozenrath on Sept 6, 2023 19:10:55 GMT -5
Similarly, Backlash 2000 did huge numbers, both because of Austin returning and since Rock vs Triple H would finally be occurring after the 4-way from 'Mania and other angles were keeping Rock and Triple H separated from one on one conflict. Some reminders that, while Triple H has been placed on a pedestal to a comical degree sometimes, he absolutely did draw and justified his spot. It's more just the self-indulgence over the years since then that sully things. You can break Triple H's career down. But his 1999 post DX heel turn to his 2001 quad injury. He was the man, who drew, could outwork the majority of the roster. And was a perfectly built heel, who by early 2001 the fans desperately wanted to cheer. Hell of a "what if" scenario of A. if his return from injury didn't have the bad Jericho feud that was overshadowed by the Steph stuff (just... don't have her on TV for a bit, especially if they knew the brand split was coming), and B. if he wasn't getting overshadowed to a degree by Hulk Hogan's nostalgia face run. |
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Post by The Rick Jericho on Sept 6, 2023 19:14:26 GMT -5
You can break Triple H's career down. But his 1999 post DX heel turn to his 2001 quad injury. He was the man, who drew, could outwork the majority of the roster. And was a perfectly built heel, who by early 2001 the fans desperately wanted to cheer. Hell of a "what if" scenario of A. if his return from injury didn't have the bad Jericho feud that was overshadowed by the Steph stuff (just... don't have her on TV for a bit, especially if they knew the brand split was coming), and B. if he wasn't getting overshadowed to a degree by Hulk Hogan's nostalgia face run. My bigger what if is, what if HHH didn't go down in 2001? Does he become an even bigger internet favorite because he worked with all that WCW talent in dream matches, vs. DDP, Booker T, Lance Storm, Mike Awesome, Kanyon, etc... 2001 version Triple H would've put on at least **** classics with that WCW roster from Kidman to Kanyon to Booker. Or does he become an even bigger HATED on the internet wrestler, because he might have BURIED all the WCW talent. It's interesting to see what crossroads his career would've taken in 2001 if he stay healthy and worked the Invasion. |
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Sept 6, 2023 19:16:17 GMT -5
Vengeance 2005 had a huge buyrate. Around 420,000 buys which are numbers non-big 4 PPVs hadn't done since around 2000-01.
Superbrawl 1999 got almost 500,000 buys and was WCW's last ever really huge PPV number. It either beat or came close to beating St. Valentines Massacre with the big Austin/Vince cage match a week before.
Royal Rumble 2002 got almost 700,000 buys when most other PPVs that year were way down. It was the top drawing Rumble ever and I think Invasion, Summerslam 98 and Starrcade 97 are the only non-Mania PPVs to ever beat it. They might have got even higher still if they a) held off on HHH's return for here instead of Raw 2 weeks earlier or b) at least made this his in-ring return (he wrestled a tag on Smackdown days before the PPV).
Night of Champions 2008 got almost 100,000 buys more than the PPV before (One Night Stand) and after (Great American Bash).
All Out 2021 got around 200,000 buys which was more than any non-WWE PPV since WCW.
Most B PPVs in 2006 didn't do too well, especially Smackdown ones, but One Night Stand, Vengeance and Unforgiven got big numbers.
Extreme Rules 2012 got around 275,000 buys at a time when non-big 4s were usually struggling to get 200,000.
Summerslam 2007 got a randomly huge number and beat 06 and 08 despite Benoit just happening and having an injury and suspension ravaged roster. I guess this was before people got tired of Cena v Orton.
Other than a couple in 2006 Lockdown 2008 was basically TNA's only relatively big PPV number.
Bad Blood 2003 got almost 400,000 buys despite being a Raw-only show. It's weird because Backlash 2 months earlier with the entire roster and a huge Rock-Goldberg dream match wasn't even that high.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Sept 6, 2023 19:17:49 GMT -5
Unforgiven 2000 did much higher than you would expect a non-big four PPV to do given it had the Angle/Triple H singles match that they were building to all summer. Similarly, Backlash 2000 did huge numbers, both because of Austin returning and since Rock vs Triple H would finally be occurring after the 4-way from 'Mania and other angles were keeping Rock and Triple H separated from one on one conflict. Some reminders that, while Triple H has been placed on a pedestal to a comical degree sometimes, he absolutely did draw and justified his spot. It's more just the self-indulgence over the years since then that sully things. I was almost finished my post before realizing like half of the PPVs I mentioned featured HHH in a key spot. Main evented Vengeance 05/Bad Blood 03/NOC 08. Him returning was a huge selling point for RR 2002/Summerslam 2007. And DX's first match back at Vengeance 2006 drew big despite having crappy opponents in the Spirit Squad. He's in that drawing status of below the Austin/Rock/Hogan/Cena level but above the Taker/HBK/Bret/Angle type level. I'd say WWE overrates his status and the IWC underrates it. Unforgiven 2000 did much higher than you would expect a non-big four PPV to do given it had the Angle/Triple H singles match that they were building to all summer. It also had Steve Austin's return (though waited another month for his first match). It's crazy that Austin had 3 huge return PPV spikes in the one year. His one-off return at Backlash, his full-time return at Unforgiven and his in-ring return at No Mercy. |
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Sept 6, 2023 19:46:42 GMT -5
Vengeance 2005 had a huge buyrate. Around 420,000 buys which are numbers non-big 4 PPVs hadn't done since around 2000-01. Superbrawl 1999 got almost 500,000 buys and was WCW's last ever really huge PPV number. It either beat or came close to beating St. Valentines Massacre with the big Austin/Vince cage match a week before. Royal Rumble 2002 got almost 700,000 buys when most other PPVs that year were way down. It was the top drawing Rumble ever and I think Invasion, Summerslam 98 and Starrcade 97 are the only non-Mania PPVs to ever beat it. They might have got even higher still if they a) held off on HHH's return for here instead of Raw 2 weeks earlier or b) at least made this his in-ring return (he wrestled a tag on Smackdown days before the PPV). Night of Champions 2008 got almost 100,000 buys more than the PPV before (One Night Stand) and after (Great American Bash). All Out 2021 got around 200,000 buys which was more than any non-WWE PPV since WCW. Most B PPVs in 2006 didn't do too well, especially Smackdown ones, but One Night Stand, Vengeance and Unforgiven got big numbers. Extreme Rules 2012 got around 275,000 buys at a time when non-big 4s were usually struggling to get 200,000. Summerslam 2007 got a randomly huge number and beat 06 and 08 despite Benoit just happening and having an injury and suspension ravaged roster. I guess this was before people got tired of Cena v Orton. Other than a couple in 2006 Lockdown 2008 was basically TNA's only relatively big PPV number. Bad Blood 2003 got almost 400,000 buys despite being a Raw-only show. It's weird because Backlash 2 months earlier with the entire roster and a huge Rock-Goldberg dream match wasn't even that high. Honestly, Nash vs Hunter in the cell with Foley as ref was a draw. |
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Post by The Rick Jericho on Sept 6, 2023 20:06:30 GMT -5
Vengeance 2005 had a huge buyrate. Around 420,000 buys which are numbers non-big 4 PPVs hadn't done since around 2000-01. Superbrawl 1999 got almost 500,000 buys and was WCW's last ever really huge PPV number. It either beat or came close to beating St. Valentines Massacre with the big Austin/Vince cage match a week before. Royal Rumble 2002 got almost 700,000 buys when most other PPVs that year were way down. It was the top drawing Rumble ever and I think Invasion, Summerslam 98 and Starrcade 97 are the only non-Mania PPVs to ever beat it. They might have got even higher still if they a) held off on HHH's return for here instead of Raw 2 weeks earlier or b) at least made this his in-ring return (he wrestled a tag on Smackdown days before the PPV). Night of Champions 2008 got almost 100,000 buys more than the PPV before (One Night Stand) and after (Great American Bash). All Out 2021 got around 200,000 buys which was more than any non-WWE PPV since WCW. Most B PPVs in 2006 didn't do too well, especially Smackdown ones, but One Night Stand, Vengeance and Unforgiven got big numbers. Extreme Rules 2012 got around 275,000 buys at a time when non-big 4s were usually struggling to get 200,000. Summerslam 2007 got a randomly huge number and beat 06 and 08 despite Benoit just happening and having an injury and suspension ravaged roster. I guess this was before people got tired of Cena v Orton. Other than a couple in 2006 Lockdown 2008 was basically TNA's only relatively big PPV number. Bad Blood 2003 got almost 400,000 buys despite being a Raw-only show. It's weird because Backlash 2 months earlier with the entire roster and a huge Rock-Goldberg dream match wasn't even that high. Honestly, Nash vs Hunter in the cell with Foley as ref was a draw. If there's one underrated short run in WWE it's Kevin Nash's 2003. From April 2003 to August 2003, the big man brought his working boots. Didn't complain and was a good soldier putting over talent where needed. I really wish he stayed past Summerslam 2003 until Wrestlemania XX just so he can get one last Wrestlemania match in the same building where he won the title in 1993. Bad luck and injuries cost him 3 Wrestlemania's during his run and that was a damn shame. |
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Post by theghostofalwilson on Sept 6, 2023 20:33:26 GMT -5
Not PPV because in Japan, but Jericho's jump to NJPW and his match against Kenny Omega at Wrestle Kingdom 2018 caused a big spike in NJPW world sign-ups.
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Post by "The Natural" Bustin Loads on Sept 6, 2023 22:05:38 GMT -5
I don't know what metrics are revealed in the quarterly reports, but I'm curious what events have spiked the most Network/Peacock subscriptions.
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Post by Renslayer on Sept 7, 2023 0:28:49 GMT -5
Vengeance 2005 had a huge buyrate. Around 420,000 buys which are numbers non-big 4 PPVs hadn't done since around 2000-01. Superbrawl 1999 got almost 500,000 buys and was WCW's last ever really huge PPV number. It either beat or came close to beating St. Valentines Massacre with the big Austin/Vince cage match a week before. Royal Rumble 2002 got almost 700,000 buys when most other PPVs that year were way down. It was the top drawing Rumble ever and I think Invasion, Summerslam 98 and Starrcade 97 are the only non-Mania PPVs to ever beat it. They might have got even higher still if they a) held off on HHH's return for here instead of Raw 2 weeks earlier or b) at least made this his in-ring return (he wrestled a tag on Smackdown days before the PPV). Night of Champions 2008 got almost 100,000 buys more than the PPV before (One Night Stand) and after (Great American Bash). All Out 2021 got around 200,000 buys which was more than any non-WWE PPV since WCW. Most B PPVs in 2006 didn't do too well, especially Smackdown ones, but One Night Stand, Vengeance and Unforgiven got big numbers. Extreme Rules 2012 got around 275,000 buys at a time when non-big 4s were usually struggling to get 200,000. Summerslam 2007 got a randomly huge number and beat 06 and 08 despite Benoit just happening and having an injury and suspension ravaged roster. I guess this was before people got tired of Cena v Orton. Other than a couple in 2006 Lockdown 2008 was basically TNA's only relatively big PPV number. Bad Blood 2003 got almost 400,000 buys despite being a Raw-only show. It's weird because Backlash 2 months earlier with the entire roster and a huge Rock-Goldberg dream match wasn't even that high. I'm trying to think of what matchup could've led to superbrawl 99 having such a big number, but I'm drawing a blank |
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Post by chazraps on Sept 7, 2023 0:54:44 GMT -5
Vengeance 2005 had a huge buyrate. Around 420,000 buys which are numbers non-big 4 PPVs hadn't done since around 2000-01. Extreme Rules 2012 got around 275,000 buys at a time when non-big 4s were usually struggling to get 200,000. Bad Blood 2003 got almost 400,000 buys despite being a Raw-only show. It's weird because Backlash 2 months earlier with the entire roster and a huge Rock-Goldberg dream match wasn't even that high. Regarding these three: Vengeance 2005 was in the middle of the 2005 draft that had the weekly stip, so you essentially had a one-off supercard featuring the top talent of both brands for the brief time they were all under the Raw banner. If I recall correctly, it had a World Heavyweight Championship match and a WWE Championship match, which you only otherwise got on the big four shows in that era. Extreme Rules 2012 had the return of Brock Lesnar, who was a mainstream PPV draw beyond WWE so people wanted to see what Brock would look like back in wrestling. The show also had a particularly strong undercard as well. Bad Blood 2003, while the very first Raw only show, was really booked fantastically. You had Nash vs Triple H Hell in a Cell when those were still very rare in the main event (with Foley as ref), you had the then-dream match of Ric Flair vs Shawn Michaels who hadn't faced each other since Shawn was a Rocker, and you had Goldberg vs Jericho which, along with having Goldberg back on PPV, you had the bubbling "what will they do" of the then-rumored real life heat of Jericho and Goldberg facing off. Raw put its absolute best foot forward for that show and there was really (outside the aforementioned Vengeance 2005) a Raw-only show in the Ruthless Aggression era that would have that much thought and build put into it again. |
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Post by chazraps on Sept 7, 2023 0:59:13 GMT -5
Superbrawl 1999 got almost 500,000 buys and was WCW's last ever really huge PPV number. It either beat or came close to beating St. Valentines Massacre with the big Austin/Vince cage match a week before. I'm trying to think of what matchup could've led to superbrawl 99 having such a big number, but I'm drawing a blank If I had to guess, it was probably the last serious Hogan vs Flair main event program before things got super goofy again. Flair was re-established at the end of '98, Hogan was still top heelin' after the fingerpoke of doom and it was a true main event level heel Hogan vs face Flair program. After that, fans knew it was the road to Uncensored which historically has always been pretty silly and WCW '99 began to really WCW '99. |
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Sept 7, 2023 1:20:04 GMT -5
I don't know what metrics are revealed in the quarterly reports, but I'm curious what events have spiked the most Network/Peacock subscriptions. Probably this year's Backlash. It was in Puerto Rico (a new environment for a big show), Cody vs Brock, and Bad Bunny vs Priest. |
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Post by 4real on Sept 7, 2023 1:36:45 GMT -5
Imagine No Way Out 2002 off the announcement of the nWo signing.
It did 575,000 which sounds like a lot.
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