Chiral
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Post by Chiral on Sept 21, 2023 13:49:28 GMT -5
When the company itself has to be *officially* be like "Yeah this guy sucks and could f*** lots up just FYI crew," that's...that's something lol
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Sept 21, 2023 13:51:51 GMT -5
The NXT ones are gonna have people on edge, I feel like there could be a lot of lower end talent that barely made TV or acts that have stagnated in danger here... hope that isn't the case but we'll find out soon enough
Ziggler and Ali are the more "AEW Bound" to me of these so far, both have connections to AEW and feel like talents Tony would sign
I'd love to see Emma in AEW or Impact. I assume Impact where she and Moss could start angles together and actually be used
Aliyah and Top Dolla are two where idk where they go. Watch Top Dolla end up in NWA lmfao
I'd love to see Boogs and Elias pop up somewhere, Boogs has so much potential still and Elias knows how to get over with almost anything presented
Shelton I could see in AEW, ROH, or even New Japan. He can still go and I'd love to see him get some good runs in
Either way it sucks, but as others have said, thank goodness we now live in a wrestling climate where all of these people have options that aren't JUST WWE.
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Post by lionheart21 on Sept 21, 2023 13:53:32 GMT -5
So basically, he screwed over his family to get back into power, and is facing the possibility of getting tossed out on his ass again? Couldn’t have happened to a nicer guy.
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Post by XIII on Sept 21, 2023 13:54:18 GMT -5
When the company itself has to be *officially* be like "Yeah this guy sucks and could f*** lots up just FYI crew," that's...that's something lol It’s more likely that this allows Vince to cash out and TKO to avoid being implicated in any lawsuit or investigation pertaining to Vince. I’d guess this was part of Vince’s plan all along. I mean Dana White is not far off from Vince on the scumf*** radar and they’re just fine with letting him say all sorts of dumb shit and then slap his wife on film and then say even more dumb stuff about why he shouldn’t be suspended.
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Post by Dub H on Sept 21, 2023 13:56:43 GMT -5
Sounds more like Vince got played
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Post by kingoftheindies on Sept 21, 2023 14:01:07 GMT -5
The discussion about NXT and making room is making me want to go on a quick tangent about HHH’s time as head of creative and developmental that I don’t think gets talked about enough. Like, ok, so you’re HHH. You’ve lost a bunch of name talent because their contracts expired and can’t get them back for various reasons (even though you did try, looking at you Mr. Fish) and you have a chance to promote your system and make people watch it for the talent that you’ve helped train and produce and help through matches to help in the new era of NXT you were forced into. And instead of doing that, you hire a bunch of people who didn’t do much when they were in the company (Emma, Kross, Nox) some people who you knew what worked in NXT (Gargano, LaRae) and a couple of people who were actual stars at points who arguably were wrongfully let go at the time. (Wyatt, Strowman) and then proceed to do not much with almost all of them (and not counting Bray for various obvious reasons). And now for all we know, a lot of them could be gone by the end of today and it only makes me wonder what the point was, especially when more experienced talent like Cesaro and Strong were having their contracts expire and might have helped the newer talent coming up. It’s just so bizarre to me. I always do look back and kind of laugh how quickly the narrative changed to we're just filling out the roster when a lot of the people who did get tv time didn't get over. Now in fairness a few didn't really get a chance, but the change of narrative always amused me. But we've talked about it in the past when the Black and Gold switched to 2.0, as entertaining as Triple H's NXT was, the big complaint internally was that NXT had gotten away from it's initial goal of getting talent ready for tv and I think as we've seen NXT grow under Shawn... it's a fair criticism and I do think people under Shawn are more ready for call ups than they were since probably 2016. But to get away from that for a second. I kind of figured the talk of no roster cuts was BS. Not blaming Hunter for that, just always kind of figured whether he knew or not it was happening. It does suck to see people lose their jobs, but it does make me wish WWE would actually be more open to letting talent they aren't using work indies or take tours of Japan/abroad wherever. Just helps all involved. Also let me add, I want to see talent take long hard looks at going to Impact. The pay may not be the greatest, but Impact and even MLW are the top spots to really work on characters.
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Post by HIM on Sept 21, 2023 14:01:25 GMT -5
Ziggler and Ali are good and I for sure see them in AEW.
Top Dolla tbh I can see him doing well in Impact. Hell a small part of me can see Swerve grabbing him in AEW to be a sidekick of his. He's better than Brian Cage.
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Post by Perd on Sept 21, 2023 14:02:34 GMT -5
As the world grows ever more vulgar. We know how much mooneythese conglomerates make. And they fire a bunch of people whose combined salaries wouldn’t even qualify as a drop in the bucket.
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Post by kevin on Sept 21, 2023 14:02:35 GMT -5
Mustafa Ali was a good hand but nothing he did seemed to stick. He has seemed out of favor ever since Retribution failed. It would probably have done better now as factions are back in at the moment. Emma has hardly done anything since coming back She is not bad so I do not know why she never really got a chance. Moss never had a place after winning the Corbin feud. The top brass seemed to have no faith in him for whatever reason. Elias and Ezeikel had a good gimmick that got over he and Rick Boogs had a storyline going but it was just dropped and they never had much tv time again. Top Dolla was buried as much as a person can be and still kept on tv. His character had become a joke who can't wrestle and was made fun of by commentary. Shelton and Dolph are both good wrestlers but had become seldom used lately. Dolph had a really good run and was a two time world champ despite there seeming to be no intention of ever making him a top star. Dolph was overused for a bit sometimes wrestling twice in a PPV. He was a good hand for a long time and this is a really ignominious end for someone who accomplished so much.
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Post by Andew9001 on Sept 21, 2023 14:03:07 GMT -5
Ali for a while was one of my favorites due to 205 Live. Hopefully he does better elsewhere.
Elias was always over so a shame to see him go.
Shelton just makes me sad because i liked his team with Cedric and The Hurt Buisness and they wasted both.
Aliyah if i'm honest it felt like a sink or swim deal once she made the main roster. She was at the PC for years and never really did a whole lot. As awful as it is to say her release isn't all that surprising. Maybe she will do better in a different enviroment.
Thought Dolph was going to be a lifer.
Where does this leave the rest of Hit Row?
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Post by Denny Zen is Cooking™ on Sept 21, 2023 14:03:49 GMT -5
Ziggler and Ali are good and I for sure see them in AEW. Top Dolla tbh I can see him doing well in Impact. Hell a small part of me can see Swerve grabbing him in AEW to be a sidekick of his. He's better than Brian Cage. I'm all for Top Dolla and everyone else who gets released today landing on their feet and getting an opportunity to continue working, but I hard disagree with this. Cage is the best in-ring roid monster I think there's ever been in wrestling. I don't think he's had a bad match since he returned to AEW television.
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Post by mrbananagrabber on Sept 21, 2023 14:06:35 GMT -5
I’ve never seen one botched move annihilate a career more than Top Dolla. He not only never recovered, he wasn’t allowed to.
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Post by rudiger on Sept 21, 2023 14:10:14 GMT -5
Ali stings the most, I've been wanting that dude to catch a break for years. Hope all the folks land on their feet.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Sept 21, 2023 14:10:42 GMT -5
I’ve never seen one botched move annihilate a career more than Top Dolla. He not only never recovered, he wasn’t allowed to. Top Dolla also (allegedly) being a dick to people likely didn't help his case.
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Post by HMARK Center on Sept 21, 2023 14:11:22 GMT -5
Hate to see this happen, and yeah, especially in light of record profits and $1.4 billion for Smackdown. Hell of a way to motivate your workers, take the company as high as it's ever been and there's every chance you'll be cut, anyway. I'd love to see one more run for Shelton X Benjamin; give me a NJPW card with him teaming with Lance Archer and/or Susuzki as a mini Suzuki-gun reunion and let the old men just batter people for awhile. As for the rumors from Kermit, I'm sure a lot of people are hoping it's just noise, but the guy's been right about a lot of things before. Still, many holding out hope: I like that the “This is normal, it was always a thing” post was followed up by the “One asshole did it so all the assholes did it” which feels about as right an origin for this sort of thing as possible. Pretty much, before him most bosses respected the workers and treated them fairly, after his bullshit it turned into f*** those peons. Hate to say it, but check out the history of the Gilded Age in the United States and just about all of Victorian/Industrial England; it was a hellscape well before Welch. He basically just modernized some of that stuff.
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Post by FHgrad99 on Sept 21, 2023 14:11:39 GMT -5
I think Dolph Ziggler and Mustafa Ali would be good pickups for AEW. Both of them are talented workers who can have good matches with a lot of people on their roster. I can see Shelton Benjamin being a good fit there as well both as an in-ring performer behind-the-scenes. I think he would be a good veteran presence backstage for some of AEW's young talent to learn from.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Sept 21, 2023 14:11:54 GMT -5
I’ve never seen one botched move annihilate a career more than Top Dolla. He not only never recovered, he wasn’t allowed to. "It's either foreskin, or foreclosure" didn't help him either tbh
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Post by Gus Richlen: Ruffian on Sept 21, 2023 14:13:57 GMT -5
I’ve never seen one botched move annihilate a career more than Top Dolla. He not only never recovered, he wasn’t allowed to. "It's either foreskin, or foreclosure" didn't help him either tbh WHAT?
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Post by Dub H on Sept 21, 2023 14:14:56 GMT -5
I’ve never seen one botched move annihilate a career more than Top Dolla. He not only never recovered, he wasn’t allowed to. Top Dolla also (allegedly) being a dick to people likely didn't help his case. Or not being good in-ring... or at promos
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Sept 21, 2023 14:16:16 GMT -5
"It's either foreskin, or foreclosure" didn't help him either tbh WHAT? Was a rap he released on his channel It was... not good lol
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