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Post by 06vwgti on Mar 4, 2024 15:02:57 GMT -5
Honestly I feel like we’ve reached an interesting point with Toni. She’s a heel, but the crowd doesn’t want to boo her. Yet she does all of her heel shenanigans. So it makes her matches feel weird From a psychology standpoint. Like AEW lacks a true top babyface right now that Toni can play the heel off of. They even more don't have heels, though. Short of probable debuts like Megan Bayne and Kamille, the only actual active heels right now are Storm, May, Hart, Blue, Saraya, and Cameron, with the rest carrying ROH. And it's not as simple a matter as moving wrestlers up from ROH, because Storm feuding with Nyla Rose, Taya Valkyrie, or Mercedes Martinez isn't going to do anything especially interesting. Wait taya and johnny TV vs toni and Luther... But I do feel the match last night was starting to pick up but ended abruptly
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Post by 4real on Mar 4, 2024 15:04:51 GMT -5
Didn't see the match, but I did just watch the segment from Collision that I missed and laughed harder than I should've at "Deonna Purrazzo, I must speak with you right now, please, come to this ring. This instant." Such a polite way to call someone to the ring I loved it.
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Post by lucas_lee on Mar 4, 2024 15:09:47 GMT -5
Yeah Toni's schtick is great for promos and stuff but once the bell rings I lose interest. Her match last night was one of the few blots in a great show.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Mar 4, 2024 15:38:10 GMT -5
But I do feel the match last night was starting to pick up but ended abruptly I agree, and given the lack of reaction to the Venus de Milo, I wonder if the heatlessness was sheer lack of belief that Deonna could win the match. Which makes sense on a few levels. For one, "new wrestler debuts, gets a title program, loses, then changes alignment or direction afterward" is, at this point, a tired formula for the women's division, despite the fact that Deonna brought a lot more to this feud's table than the previous challengers had to their programs. Secondly and probably just as importantly: Deonna was a face whose goal was antithetical to the audience's desires. Deonna wanting to get "the old Toni" back was a sympathetic motivation on paper, but Timeless Toni is such a bigger and more popular character that I, a Deonna fan who was enjoying the feud, found myself kind of listless and meh at the prospect of Deonna succeeding in any way beyond making Toni flustered and indignant.
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Post by asuka007 on Mar 4, 2024 17:45:36 GMT -5
But I do feel the match last night was starting to pick up but ended abruptly I agree, and given the lack of reaction to the Venus de Milo, I wonder if the heatlessness was sheer lack of belief that Deonna could win the match. Which makes sense on a few levels. For one, "new wrestler debuts, gets a title program, loses, then changes alignment or direction afterward" is, at this point, a tired formula for the women's division, despite the fact that Deonna brought a lot more to this feud's table than the previous challengers had to their programs. Secondly and probably just as importantly: Deonna was a face whose goal was antithetical to the audience's desires. Deonna wanting to get "the old Toni" back was a sympathetic motivation on paper, but Timeless Toni is such a bigger and more popular character that I, a Deonna fan who was enjoying the feud, found myself kind of listless and meh at the prospect of Deonna succeeding in any way beyond making Toni flustered and indignant. Yeah, Deonna wants to take away the thing that the fans actually LIKE!! And AEW needs to change up the formula with these debuts as well. Or at least let them WIN sometimes perhaps.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Mar 4, 2024 17:55:01 GMT -5
Honestly, ever since Toni made the change to Timeless, I really don't look forward to her matches anymore. She was putting in terrific work before the change and then suddenly it all took a backseat to the character. I don't mind her having a great character but wish her in ring work matched.
At this point she's a more entertaining Britt when it comes to her title reign. At least she doesn't bury the whole division but at the same time we all could call her matches in our sleep with the BS distractions and cheating. It's all so cookie cutter.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2024 18:29:03 GMT -5
SEND IN THE CLONES!
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Post by A Little Doo Doo on Mar 5, 2024 12:48:58 GMT -5
SEND IN THE CLONES! We need a couple more blonde women to join the group. One to be OUTCASTS Toni and one to be this version:
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2024 12:50:46 GMT -5
SEND IN THE CLONES! We need a couple more blonde women to join the group. One to be OUTCASTS Toni and one to be this version: We have an NXT UK Toni clone now.
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Post by A Little Doo Doo on Mar 5, 2024 12:53:44 GMT -5
We also need someone to be Murder Grandpa cosplay Toni: Maybe Murder Grandpa himself? Just throw a blond wig on him.
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Post by Some Guy on Mar 5, 2024 13:48:50 GMT -5
Honestly, ever since Toni made the change to Timeless, I really don't look forward to her matches anymore. She was putting in terrific work before the change and then suddenly it all took a backseat to the character. I don't mind her having a great character but wish her in ring work matched. At this point she's a more entertaining Britt when it comes to her title reign. At least she doesn't bury the whole division but at the same time we all could call her matches in our sleep with the BS distractions and cheating. It's all so cookie cutter. She just hasn't really been able to translate that character into corresponding ring work, so it ends up being like European title level shenanigans/quality at this point. It's especially worse when there's a quasi heel/tweener or whatever Athena is at this point in ROH absolutely killing it every time she steps in the ring (her tables match against Nyla is better by far than anything Toni has done in eons) and then you have the main roster primary champ just putting in 2.5 star nothingness.
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Post by A Little Doo Doo on Mar 8, 2024 11:34:40 GMT -5
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Post by markymark on Mar 21, 2024 10:17:54 GMT -5
The moment Mariah turns on Toni will be a sad one...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2024 10:20:36 GMT -5
Alright everyone back to the bosom.
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Post by Hypnosis on Mar 21, 2024 12:48:40 GMT -5
The moment Mariah turns on Toni will be a sad one...
That Street Fighter: The Movie M. Bison reference from Toni!
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Post by Big DSR Energy on Mar 21, 2024 19:17:47 GMT -5
The moment Mariah turns on Toni will be a sad one...
That Street Fighter: The Movie M. Bison reference from Toni! I'm glad at the very least that line is achieving something like iconic status. Raul Julia was the best, man!
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Post by The Rick Jericho on Mar 30, 2024 20:57:00 GMT -5
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Post by A Little Doo Doo on Mar 31, 2024 1:24:37 GMT -5
Tumblr's losing its mind over this, as expected.
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Post by asuka007 on Mar 31, 2024 1:35:18 GMT -5
“I see myself in you.”
Oh Toni you clever devil you.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 31, 2024 2:18:22 GMT -5
"AEW has no hot storyline right now" I BEG TO DIFFER.
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