Chuck Conry
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Post by Chuck Conry on Oct 14, 2023 18:28:58 GMT -5
I remember when Ryback got over (remember that?) and he faced CM Punk for the title and they wouldn't pull the trigger because they were saving it for when Rock would beat Punk. Soon after they turned Ryback heel. And well, we saw how that went.
LA Knight isn't beating Roman as much as we want him to so what happens next? I get a feeling he's probably turning on Cena sooner than later and we get that match. Which he might actually win but who doesn't beat Cena now?
I just don't want to see a organic over act get wasted again.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Oct 14, 2023 18:34:09 GMT -5
I'm not seeing the turning heel on Cena thing. That hadn't even crossed my mind.
I think Logan Paul will take the US title from Rey at Crown Jewel then LA Knight will be the guy to beat Paul at Mania.
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Post by hashtagdaley/JudasDay on Oct 14, 2023 18:42:07 GMT -5
I'm not seeing the turning heel on Cena thing. That hadn't even crossed my mind. I think Logan Paul will take the US title from Rey at Crown Jewel then LA Knight will be the guy to beat Paul at Mania . As bummed as I am that LAKnight is getting fed to Roman, that’s not bad at all. I actually like it a lot.
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Post by ChitownKnight on Oct 14, 2023 19:04:25 GMT -5
I'm not seeing the turning heel on Cena thing. That hadn't even crossed my mind. I think Logan Paul will take the US title from Rey at Crown Jewel then LA Knight will be the guy to beat Paul at Mania . As bummed as I am that LAKnight is getting fed to Roman, that’s not bad at all. I actually like it a lot. Yeah I thought it would be Lashley, but as much of a POS Logan Paul is, LA Knight will def benefit from beating Logan Paul for the US title
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Post by Mid-Carder on Oct 15, 2023 3:35:35 GMT -5
I don't think so. They seem far more committed to Knight as top guy than they ever were with Ryback. Understandably so.
There's no point him turning heel on Cena since Cena isn't going to be around anyway. It's only worth considering if the crowd responses start to wane, which there's no sign of at the moment.
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Post by msc on Oct 15, 2023 7:37:30 GMT -5
LA Knight seems more organically over. The destroyer who never loses is one of the easiest things in wrestling to build up. Knight shifted from a wrestlexrap gimmick because his talking got over.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2023 10:40:49 GMT -5
I argue a lot of Rybacks setbacks were self inflicting, and probably was a pain in an ass to deal with backstage.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Oct 15, 2023 14:27:24 GMT -5
I sort of hate that I'm being made to do this but...a lot of you are sort of forgetting how big Ryback was during that run.
Like, yes, big man goes on streak is easy booking but outside of Goldberg and even Jade Cargill to an extent, whose benefited? Because that isn't anywhere near a big a list as people think it is. Especially in the modern era where it's less easy to put a number and ignore results (looking at you, "undefeated for 15 years" Andre the Giant).
Was Ryback basic? Yes. Did he sabotage himself at the end? Absolutely, but when he was being built up, he was over. He was probably the first super over guy they had since Cena which absolutely said a lot about the absolute derth of talent that was being able to come up. Like, people forget, when Ryback saved Vince from getting attacked by CM Punk, the hard cam was shaking. The last time that happened was the Attitude Era with Austin. People loved the guy.
I've said it once, twice, dozens and dozens of times, the reason Ryback lost his aura was the Hell in a Cell match and the reason for that was John Cena getting injured. That's the biggest thing since the week before, Ryback was attacking Miz and being set up for an IC title run before, likely, feuding with Big Show over the World title and we'd get the Shellshock that'd be on a billion montages.
God, I need something to wash out the fact I stood up for Skip Sheffield of all people, jeez.
EDIT: I should actually answer the question; give him a good showing and something to chew on after the fact and he’ll be fine. If he’s just going to be fodder in the Cody feud with the Bloodline? It’ll feel like a waste.
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Post by A Little Doo Doo on Oct 15, 2023 17:56:59 GMT -5
Wank away brother! #BlockTheHate and no hate from The Megastar.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Oct 15, 2023 18:42:55 GMT -5
My guess is we get Roman vs. Knight at the Rumble, Roman wins after Cena shows up and tries to help Knight and it backfires. This leads to LA Knight vs. John Cena at WrestleMania. Now whether Knight actually turns heel in the process is another question. I'm guessing they're gonna try to avoid a full heel turn, but it's gonna be tough to book and I question whether even Triple H has the nuance to do it.
But yeah, I'm definitely worried that Knight is gonna wind up in the same pile as guys like Ryback and Braun Strowman and Dolph Ziggler before him. Get crazy over organically, but since he doesn't fit into the plans they've made years in advance, all he can get is consolation prizes. When they finally have the opportunity to pull the trigger on him, fans have lost interest and moved on.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Oct 15, 2023 19:22:46 GMT -5
I dunno man.
If not Knight, WHO at this point?
Maybe the plan is to have Cody finally "finish the story" at the next Mania, but that's going to feel like an anti-climax after last year.
I'd favor just throwing the audience a curveball at this point. Give your most over guy a shot with the top rocker for a moment. They used to do it all the time.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Oct 18, 2023 16:41:15 GMT -5
I dunno man. If not Knight, WHO at this point? Maybe the plan is to have Cody finally "finish the story" at the next Mania, but that's going to feel like an anti-climax after last year. I'd favor just throwing the audience a curveball at this point. Give your most over guy a shot with the top rocker for a moment. They used to do it all the time. Have him win it at a house show in a squash and then lose it back to Roman at Smackdown the next week in his first defense. It'd be so funny
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Oct 18, 2023 21:11:54 GMT -5
Could be worse.
If Rock gets involved in the Bloodline Storyline leading up to Mania, Cody might get Mizzed.
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Post by Hypnosis on Oct 18, 2023 21:16:08 GMT -5
Could be worse. If Rock gets involved in the Bloodline Storyline leading up to Mania, Cody might get Mizzed. Cody gets a "Tiny Balls" gimmick?
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Post by HIM on Oct 19, 2023 11:04:06 GMT -5
I sort of hate that I'm being made to do this but...a lot of you are sort of forgetting how big Ryback was during that run. Like, yes, big man goes on streak is easy booking but outside of Goldberg and even Jade Cargill to an extent, whose benefited? Because that isn't anywhere near a big a list as people think it is. Especially in the modern era where it's less easy to put a number and ignore results (looking at you, "undefeated for 15 years" Andre the Giant). Was Ryback basic? Yes. Did he sabotage himself at the end? Absolutely, but when he was being built up, he was over. He was probably the first super over guy they had since Cena which absolutely said a lot about the absolute derth of talent that was being able to come up. Like, people forget, when Ryback saved Vince from getting attacked by CM Punk, the hard cam was shaking. The last time that happened was the Attitude Era with Austin. People loved the guy. I've said it once, twice, dozens and dozens of times, the reason Ryback lost his aura was the Hell in a Cell match and the reason for that was John Cena getting injured. That's the biggest thing since the week before, Ryback was attacking Miz and being set up for an IC title run before, likely, feuding with Big Show over the World title and we'd get the Shellshock that'd be on a billion montages. God, I need something to wash out the fact I stood up for Skip Sheffield of all people, jeez. EDIT: I should actually answer the question; give him a good showing and something to chew on after the fact and he’ll be fine. If he’s just going to be fodder in the Cody feud with the Bloodline? It’ll feel like a waste. As much as I don't wanna say it, Ryback was over so much during that time that it bled into his future storylines and character. Even when the cheers died down because he was so over then it kept him afloat. Fans were behind him when he won the IC, when he bullied Cena, he was it for a while.
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Post by ben:friendship frog on Oct 19, 2023 15:14:11 GMT -5
I'm not seeing the turning heel on Cena thing. That hadn't even crossed my mind. I think Logan Paul will take the US title from Rey at Crown Jewel then LA Knight will be the guy to beat Paul at Mania. I can absolutely see this happening and it'll be great
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Post by PKO on Oct 19, 2023 19:36:28 GMT -5
I mean, Ryback did get solidly over for a while but he felt very much like a successful WWE project…that they then went on to squander. He had a strong push with repetitive booking, so fans knew what to expect and could respond accordingly. He had great presentation. He had WWE friendly catchphrases that could be said at appropriate times (“Wake up” during entrance, “Feed me more” during match, “Finish it” nearing the end). The commentators put him over like nobody’s business. And obviously the man himself has a charisma about him. It all came together so successfully (once they pushed past the Goldberg chants) that it seemed inevitable WWE would mess it all up. The late 2000’s/early 10’s were filled with guys that WWE ultimately didn’t want to pull the trigger on. Ryback just stands out as particularly stupid after all the effort they took to get him over, only for them to change their minds once they were successful.
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on Oct 20, 2023 7:06:37 GMT -5
I sort of hate that I'm being made to do this but...a lot of you are sort of forgetting how big Ryback was during that run. Like, yes, big man goes on streak is easy booking but outside of Goldberg and even Jade Cargill to an extent, whose benefited? Because that isn't anywhere near a big a list as people think it is. Especially in the modern era where it's less easy to put a number and ignore results (looking at you, "undefeated for 15 years" Andre the Giant). Was Ryback basic? Yes. Did he sabotage himself at the end? Absolutely, but when he was being built up, he was over. He was probably the first super over guy they had since Cena which absolutely said a lot about the absolute derth of talent that was being able to come up. Like, people forget, when Ryback saved Vince from getting attacked by CM Punk, the hard cam was shaking. The last time that happened was the Attitude Era with Austin. People loved the guy. I've said it once, twice, dozens and dozens of times, the reason Ryback lost his aura was the Hell in a Cell match and the reason for that was John Cena getting injured. That's the biggest thing since the week before, Ryback was attacking Miz and being set up for an IC title run before, likely, feuding with Big Show over the World title and we'd get the Shellshock that'd be on a billion montages. God, I need something to wash out the fact I stood up for Skip Sheffield of all people, jeez. EDIT: I should actually answer the question; give him a good showing and something to chew on after the fact and he’ll be fine. If he’s just going to be fodder in the Cody feud with the Bloodline? It’ll feel like a waste. I just never got it, at all. He felt like a Goldberg CAW or e-fed ripoff from 2003-04. Suplex-adjacent finisher, big bald guy, similar postmatch catchphrase. I know he was over but I seriously don't know how or why, and had they put the title on him I honestly think he'd have cooled off very quickly anyway. The guy didn't have anywhere to go and had a short shelf life, Goldberg himself had the problem of "what do you do when he loses" but I think Ryback would have had that ten times worse, as he didn't have the same presence or charisma, and while neither were workhorses Ryback was in an era where that was becoming much more important than it was during Goldberg's time. Never got the Ryback buzz and while yeah maybe they could have switched the title to try, I can also see why WWE wouldn't want to sacrifice a long, long buildup and 2 big money matches for a gamble that likely has a short shelflife. He needed to peak 8 months later to have room.
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Post by chronocross on Oct 20, 2023 7:52:24 GMT -5
I hope not, but at the same time I liked Ryback and wished he got a short run with the World Title.
As for LA Knight, I know Roman will beat him with the usual interference but I wouldn't mind seeing a draw or even a "Dusty finish" for their first match leading to the rematch where Roman wins.
At least it would be change of pace than the usual Bloodline interference which has gone down for the last 3 years or so.
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Oct 20, 2023 10:04:56 GMT -5
remember Ryback went on RAW for that insane episode where everyone they liked was trapped in iceland and he decided for his free TV time to cut a promo where he recommended the book 'The Secret'
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