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Post by khali on Oct 28, 2023 12:03:53 GMT -5
I’m sure the contract played a part in it too, but creating another world title basically gave them license to use Roman even less.
Well, that and the fact that this title reign has been so goddamn long that he’s beaten most of the challengers more than once.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Oct 28, 2023 12:45:43 GMT -5
Roman's not even 40 yet. He does not need this much time off. I agree, but he has had leukemia twice. For him to be this absent without any appearances let alone title defenses, I'm inclined to speculate that he may not be as well as they're hyping him up to be. Or maybe because of those bouts of illness he wants a better work-life balance
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Post by Treklubj on Oct 28, 2023 13:36:59 GMT -5
Pro wrestling has moved away from the classic defending of titles, especially top one, every 30 days. Aside from contract dates and any (unfounded at this point) speculation about Roman's health, it would seem thar data or research shows this model to be a successful one in terms of business. This is supported by the fact that AEW has done something similar with MJF.
Roman's match with LA Knight next week will be his 6th title defense since last November. All of those matches seemingly led to the challenger becoming a bigger deal than he was before entering Roman's orbit.
If I'm correct, tonight's defense against Kenny Omega will be his 8th since winning the belt last November. There isn't much difference there, even less if you consider that two of the defenses against Ricky Starks (before he started to blow up) and Ethan Page. MJF seems to be a bigger star now than he was at the beginning of his reign, so the infrequent defenses don't seem to have hurt him or the prestige of the title.
I actually like the idea of less defenses of the top titles, as it makes each one seem more important. It also closer resembles boxing and MMA, so there is precedent in real-life combat sports.
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Post by Nosnorb on Oct 28, 2023 13:45:46 GMT -5
Pro wrestling has moved away from the classic defending of titles, especially top one, every 30 days. Aside from contract dates and any (unfounded at this point) speculation about Roman's health, it would seem thar data or research shows this model to be a successful one in terms of business. This is supported by the fact that AEW has done something similar with MJF. If I'm correct, tonight's defense against Kenny Omega will be his 8th since winning the belt last November. There isn't much difference there, even less if you consider that two of the defenses against Ricky Starks (before he started to blow up) and Ethan Page. MJF seems to be a bigger star now than he was at the beginning of his reign, so the infrequent defenses don't seem to have hurt him or the prestige of the title. MJF wrestled infrequently before his face turn, and before he won the belt though. Generally he would only wrestle on PPV. Now as a face champion, he wrestles much more often on TV and is a double champ. I would argue that it isn't the infrequent defenses that has made him a bigger star - that is due to to the storyline with Adam Cole and giving him absolutely huge amounts of character development.
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Post by Treklubj on Oct 28, 2023 13:49:04 GMT -5
Pro wrestling has moved away from the classic defending of titles, especially top one, every 30 days. Aside from contract dates and any (unfounded at this point) speculation about Roman's health, it would seem thar data or research shows this model to be a successful one in terms of business. This is supported by the fact that AEW has done something similar with MJF. If I'm correct, tonight's defense against Kenny Omega will be his 8th since winning the belt last November. There isn't much difference there, even less if you consider that two of the defenses against Ricky Starks (before he started to blow up) and Ethan Page. MJF seems to be a bigger star now than he was at the beginning of his reign, so the infrequent defenses don't seem to have hurt him or the prestige of the title. MJF wrestled infrequently before his face turn, and before he won the belt though. Generally he would only wrestle on PPV. Now as a face champion, he wrestles much more often on TV and is a double champ. I would argue that it isn't the infrequent defenses that has made him a bigger star - that is due to to the storyline with Adam Cole and giving him absolutely huge amounts of character development. That's fair. I referenced MJF's run to support the idea that the two biggest companies in North America (and I guess wrestling as a whole) seemingly have no interest in having their World titles defended every 30 days like the days of old.
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Post by darbus alan on Oct 28, 2023 14:50:40 GMT -5
MJF's had 18 total matches this year, which isn't much higher than Roman's 10, but still more. It also does seem like he wrestles more since he turned face and started tagging with Cole. TBH I wasn't a fan of MJF's sporadic matches, either. But the face turn's really freshened things up in both the ring and as a character, especially now that he isn't pulling the "UGH I don't want to be here" act and not referencing the tiresome "Bidding War of '24" and other worked shoot crap anymore.
The other world champion, Seth Rollins? He's had 80 matches so far this year. Now that's a workhorse.
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Post by The Legend of Groose on Oct 28, 2023 14:51:42 GMT -5
I don't think Survivor Series is one of the big 4 anymore at this point.
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Post by A Little Doo Doo on Oct 28, 2023 15:23:35 GMT -5
I don't think Survivor Series is one of the big 4 anymore at this point. I think MITB replaced it a long time ago.
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Post by Nosnorb on Oct 28, 2023 15:33:12 GMT -5
I don't think Survivor Series is one of the big 4 anymore at this point. I think MITB replaced it a long time ago. It felt like a big 4 last year with the WARGAMES match. This year, with the pissing contest between Raw and Smackdown to be resumed, not so much.
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Post by polarbearpete on Oct 28, 2023 15:41:31 GMT -5
I think MITB replaced it a long time ago. It felt like a big 4 last year with the WARGAMES match. This year, with the pissing contest between Raw and Smackdown to be resumed, not so much. I think there’s still a good chance they do WarGames and then a separate brand warfare traditional Survivor Series match.
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Post by sarkerpolseng on Oct 28, 2023 15:47:53 GMT -5
In kayfaybe, I think the World Champ should have more days off than everyone else. It is a perk of being the champ.
Roman and Brock kind of abuse that a little.
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Oct 28, 2023 20:30:19 GMT -5
My guess then is WarGames becomes: Jimmy, Solo, Finn, Priest, Dom vs. Cody, Cena, Jey, AJ Styles and LA Knight. Think one on the face side will become Orton. Probablt filling AJ’s spot since it’s unclear if he’ll be ready for Survivor Series.
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Post by papagiorgio on Oct 29, 2023 8:05:45 GMT -5
In kayfaybe, I think the World Champ should have more days off than everyone else. It is a perk of being the champ. Roman and Brock kind of abuse that a little. I wish the 30 day title defense rule still existed.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Oct 29, 2023 8:48:51 GMT -5
When they don't even have a plan left for what to actually do with his run, why not just have him go stay at home and pad the reign out by doing nothing instead of trying to draw with an interesting next story in the interim? Who cares?
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Post by fw91 on Oct 31, 2023 15:29:13 GMT -5
When they don't even have a plan left for what to actually do with his run, why not just have him go stay at home and pad the reign out by doing nothing instead of trying to draw with an interesting next story in the interim? Who cares? I think they have a plan, but are working around when they want to execute it (mania 40)
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Oct 31, 2023 15:43:45 GMT -5
When they don't even have a plan left for what to actually do with his run, why not just have him go stay at home and pad the reign out by doing nothing instead of trying to draw with an interesting next story in the interim? Who cares? I think they have a plan, but are working around when they want to execute it (mania 40) The week to week storytelling makes it pretty clear they're spinning their wheels. "In six months we're gonna do something really cool" isn't actually a story.
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Oct 31, 2023 15:56:30 GMT -5
The fact Roman's pretty much worked his transition feud while still somehow being champion makes the padding all the more egregious. None of the stories told since 'Mania were about the title, were they?
The catharsis of Cody finally finishing the story, if ever, is going to be frustrated by a collective "this needed an extra year?"
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Post by cassonova on Oct 31, 2023 15:59:19 GMT -5
Roman not scheduled to work.
Fixed it.
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Post by 4real on Nov 1, 2023 0:17:12 GMT -5
I get it that WWE wants to use Roman sparingly and make his title defences a big deal. Only problem is no one thinks LA Knight is beating him so where’s the draw there? I love LA Knight and I have no doubt WWE will do everything possible in the match to make us believe LA Knight can pull it off but if you skipped this match are you going to miss anything?
If anything the Seth title defence has more intrigue for me. But we’ve been here with Drew before.
Getting back to Survivor Series it’s sad he won’t be at one of the big shows and it does take impact away from the Wargames match if he’s not in it. If the Bloodment Day loses without Roman there then is it really that big a win for the faces?
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