Zone Was Wrong
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Oct 30, 2023 14:27:38 GMT -5
Honestly wouldn't mind if the champs were on Honor Club more often with the titles instead of AEW main shows. Don't think MJF and the tag titles have shown up there, nor the Hung Bucks.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Oct 30, 2023 14:45:18 GMT -5
It doesn't bother me as much since they aren't really center of TV like Jericho's reign was. But... there are also things that feel weird to me?
Like Athena has become amazing as ROH Women's champ and deserves a bigger audience, but according to SRS she's viewed as a draw for the Honor Club. Okay fine.
But the other champs?
The TV title is basically a prop on AEW for Samoa Joe
Eddie is doing stuff with the ROH title but it's more of a Rampage thing... which is fine but why not do the same with Athena.
The tag titles are being featured as a story for MJF/Cole so fine.
The 6 Man titles have been fairly pointless.
Pure title has been ROH exclusive.
Like they aren't big focuses on AEW, but it just feels like they are all viewed as different things for AEW and it's very weird
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Post by HMARK Center on Oct 30, 2023 16:11:10 GMT -5
Said this before, but never minded the whole thing about having the extra belts; the roster is massive between the two shows, so I basically just kind of see things like old school Crockett and the way it had a World title, the US title, TV title, world tag, US tag, etc. Too many belts becomes a problem if there aren't enough wrestlers around to vary up challengers, and right now AEW/ROH has plenty of talent to draw from on that front. I do agree that having some of the ROH title matches occur on AEW TV without visible buildup for the bulk of the audience is a problem. Like, there was some build to Samoa Joe vs. Shane Taylor at All Out, but it was on Honor Club, and obviously most of the audience doesn't have that. Hard to then put a featured match on an AEW card when the bulk of the audience most likely doesn't directly know what's up. And I do agree that the TV belt, in particular, needs more focus and direction; I love Joe and would be fine with him holding any title into perpetuity, but it's definitely been more of his decoration than anything else, while the other belts have at least had active scenes of people on ROH TV or on AEW angling for them and serving stronger storyline purposes. And yeah, neither set of tag belts being featured on the weekly show right now isn't ideal, though at least the regular tag belts are serving said storyline purpose with MJF and Cole. But yeah, I do think part of the reason why we're getting the belts on bigger names right now and why there's some more of those defenses on AEW is why there was a phase of that last year or so: they were likely trying to get a TV deal back then, it didn't happen, but now they're building to Honor Club having ROH PPVs on it, which likely means there's a change coming to its overall format (more PPVs and/or bigger cards to go with the weekly show, most likely). Probably means we get a better idea of what direction things are going in at Final Battle. They need to do away with ROH as a whole. Unify the titles for the lineage, and be done with it All seriousness, people say this and don't want to acknowledge the jobs that'd cost some people, plus it's become a pretty strong weekly show where there's a number of young and/or new guys and gals getting shots to work and develop, more ongoing stories, and it's a spot for more established wrestlers to try out some new angles or character work. I totally get, for example, the frustration some have at someone like Ethan Page being squirreled away on ROH right now, but he's using it as a chance to work on his babyface character; I imagine he builds to a match at Final Battle, then potentially gets back to AEW TV, though I don't presume to know how quickly that'll go. With the next PPV now being on Honor Club and the potential of future PPVs being on there giving it more value, I don't really see the point in doing away with a place where people can keep making a living, developing, or in the cases of veterans getting to try new things or at least cycle themselves around the promotions to keep their image fresh or try out some new ideas. It's Tony Khan's money, not mine, so if it's not costing him that much and more guys and gals get to work and put on some good shows, why get rid of it?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2023 17:37:43 GMT -5
there has been a crap ton of title matches in AEW, period, for a few years now though ROH is actually in a down swing 192 is a crap ton of title matches
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Post by Bo Rida on Oct 30, 2023 17:49:01 GMT -5
^^ Wow that's a crazy number. If they did one title match per weekly show it would be 156. It's much more than that we still have 2 months left. Supports my feeling there's too many belts.
That said conversely a lot of those were part of OC's excellent reign and I wouldn't change that and I still don't feel I've seen enough big aew tag title matches on dynamite.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2023 17:56:29 GMT -5
^^ Wow that's a crazy number. If they did one title match per weekly show it would be 156. It's much more than that we still have 2 months left. Supports my feeling there's too many belts. That said conversely a lot of those were part of OC's excellent reign and I wouldn't change that and I still don't feel I've seen enough big aew tag title matches on dynamite. It does also add weight to the More PPVs vs Titles matches on free tv debate considering the sheer volume that isn't helping with ratings
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Post by HMARK Center on Oct 30, 2023 18:17:46 GMT -5
^^ Wow that's a crazy number. If they did one title match per weekly show it would be 156. It's much more than that we still have 2 months left. Supports my feeling there's too many belts. That said conversely a lot of those were part of OC's excellent reign and I wouldn't change that and I still don't feel I've seen enough big aew tag title matches on dynamite. Definitely something I can agree on, there: FTR had a run of pretty great matches with their reign, but the tag belts could stand to be in a more interesting spot. Ricky/Bill winning them was interesting, and the four teams squaring up on Collision this week was a good idea, but compared with the other titles there's definitely more that could be done on that front going back a few months.
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Post by Chuck Conry on Oct 30, 2023 18:19:49 GMT -5
I do kinda wish they'd keep the ROH titles on the ROH show. Maybe just let the World title bleed over from time to time. But when I think of the ROH title perhaps losing value I have to compare it to where it is now to what it really was before. Might not be any worse now than it was when it was being contested for and held by Matt Taven.
But speaking of too many titles..I think the NWA has too many.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Oct 30, 2023 18:57:37 GMT -5
I honestly feel like the ROH title shots coincided with the wins from The Elite and Eddie, and then of course MJF and Cole, and most of this was in the back half of the year
We've been saying it, but it feels like Tony is ramping up to try and sell ROH to a Network or a Streaming service, and maybe it just won't be Warner owned if they don't have interest
But they were largely de-emphasized on AEW from the start of the year in favor or a lot of other AEW belts being defended, sometimes weekly, hence the 143 number. I'm curious if this all culminates at Final Battle and we get some news on this for 2024.
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Post by CeilingFan on Oct 31, 2023 4:38:54 GMT -5
ROH Titles should be defended on ROH shows. One of the coolest things about AEW is you can have multiple belts from multiple promotions showcased on the program and defended, not just ROH but New Japan, AAA, now even CMLL titles, along with other promotions belts being showcased like even WAVE, TJPW, or Impact. There hasn't been a promotion that's been able to feasibly do this in a long time if ever at this point with the number of belts that have been shown. This sentiment bugs me because it's really just going against the very identity AEW is, which is, they have their own home territory belts, but other belts are free to be not only shown, but defended on AEW television and within their territory, it shows there's a wider world out there. We don't need ROH to be hidden away on Honor Club, especially when all the champions are AEW employees trying to put more stock into the brand for a deal. Doing this would be counterproductive to a lot of things, and that's why it bugs me when people share this sentiment. I get if you aren't personally enjoying ROH but many wrestlers are benefitting from it being a thing and relying on exposure like these tapings and the belts being showcased like this to help the brand in the most reliable way that Tony can until it could get picked up for something in the future. Idk, this is the kind of stuff that makes AEW feel unpredictable and exciting to me personally, I'd hate to see it go away. You make excellent points, but I am still disappointed with how ROH has turned out. I was hoping it would be reminiscent of the early days of NXT.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Oct 31, 2023 7:25:34 GMT -5
One of the coolest things about AEW is you can have multiple belts from multiple promotions showcased on the program and defended, not just ROH but New Japan, AAA, now even CMLL titles, along with other promotions belts being showcased like even WAVE, TJPW, or Impact. There hasn't been a promotion that's been able to feasibly do this in a long time if ever at this point with the number of belts that have been shown. This sentiment bugs me because it's really just going against the very identity AEW is, which is, they have their own home territory belts, but other belts are free to be not only shown, but defended on AEW television and within their territory, it shows there's a wider world out there. We don't need ROH to be hidden away on Honor Club, especially when all the champions are AEW employees trying to put more stock into the brand for a deal. Doing this would be counterproductive to a lot of things, and that's why it bugs me when people share this sentiment. I get if you aren't personally enjoying ROH but many wrestlers are benefitting from it being a thing and relying on exposure like these tapings and the belts being showcased like this to help the brand in the most reliable way that Tony can until it could get picked up for something in the future. Idk, this is the kind of stuff that makes AEW feel unpredictable and exciting to me personally, I'd hate to see it go away. You make excellent points, but I am still disappointed with how ROH has turned out. I was hoping it would be reminiscent of the early days of NXT. I think the plan originally was for it to be more of a DDT/NOAH situation but I think Tony (maybe naively) was caught off guard that WBD wasn't interested in ROH. I also kind of think injuries to some people (Mark Briscoe, Dante Martin) ruined some long term plans as well
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Post by deezy on Oct 31, 2023 9:27:37 GMT -5
For the longest time I thought the the bucks and Page were the AEW trios Champions, then they were advertising a AEW trios match that didn’t involve them and was confused, till I realized they were the ROH Trios Champs. Like seriously? This is becoming worse than the WWE 2001 invasion where there was another promotions set of titles and anyone could win them anytime and just became to much to keep track. And worse part is it doesn’t look like it’s ending anytime soon. There’s no defending this, just put ROH on the shelve, get rid of their titles and just focus on the AEW belts. to many belts just devalue all the belts because now seems like everyone is Champion now Me and some of my friends were talking the other day about how AEW does feel like 2001 WWE during the invasion with so many titles.
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Post by deezy on Oct 31, 2023 9:32:33 GMT -5
Agreed. I also think it's kind of silly that we haven't seen Athena show up on AEW television a ton despite her big ROH Women's Title run given how much we've seen of other ROH champions on TV. It's one of those "if a tree falls in the forest..." kind of things where yes, she'll show up on AEW TV in a few months and Excalibur will scream and shout about her, but this title run happened in front of like 1/10th of AEW's audience and she's lost 2/3rds of the AEW matches she's had in 2023. I'm not exactly sure being the champ has been a huge help to her stock in AEW. Oh, people like Ethan Page and Athena being stuck on ROH island is my single biggest grievance with AEW's general booking right now. Totally agree 💯. When I went to collision one of the top highlights for me, Was seeing Athena wrestle after Collision went off the air. Always been a fan of hers. And Ethan Page has been misused for most of his AEW run. Guy has main event written all over him. Hopefully his time will come soon..
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Post by Fade on Oct 31, 2023 9:58:06 GMT -5
If I were to give AEW one bit of advice it’d be to consolidate itself as AEW. ROH gotta go. It’s gotta become your development. It won’t and they’re going to keep trying to do whatever the hell they’re doing with it but..
So co-signed about the titles. i literally don’t care about the bucks and op is right about all of em just watering shit down here.
this sentiment been out there for ages. it’s not going to change. tony bought roh and he’s “making use of it”.
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Post by dpg on Oct 31, 2023 13:41:59 GMT -5
If I were to give AEW one bit of advice it’d be to consolidate itself as AEW. ROH gotta go. It’s gotta become your development. It won’t and they’re going to keep trying to do whatever the hell they’re doing with it but.. So co-signed about the titles. i literally don’t care about the bucks and op is right about all of em just watering shit down here. this sentiment been out there for ages. it’s not going to change. tony bought roh and he’s “making use of it”. RoH isn't strong enough to be its own entity anymore, it should be AEW developmental, but it won't be.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Oct 31, 2023 16:27:38 GMT -5
I had time for some bits of ROH on the shows, but I did feel like on a lot of weeks it went too overboard, and I am still salty about an ROH belt being defended at All In while precisely one AEW title didn't get defended (as well as Punk's bullshit fake belt), that being Stat's. Frankly I felt like AEW had too many belts as it is
Saying that, one of the things that often actually stuck in my craw a bit was the way ROH guys would often be put over huge in their entrances for a one-off appearance on Dynamite, but then basically always lose to people who are primarily AEW talent. Like, we're giving up TV time from the show I actually want to watch to ROH talent, and then they're basically just being used as enhancement talent sometimes anyway.
Plus even when the belts aren't being featured in any real storyline on AEW, it ends up being so many belts that it becomes difficult to care about who is what champion because give it a few weeks and a few of them will switch around anyway so why keep up.
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Post by Banjo Is Broken on Nov 1, 2023 1:28:59 GMT -5
I can't wait for Jeff Hardy to win the ROH World Title as Willow, then introduce his very own much more Willowy custom belt.
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Post by darbus alan on Nov 1, 2023 11:19:31 GMT -5
The one I agree with is the ROH tag titles. They booked themselves in a corner with MJF and Adam Cole winning them followed by Cole's injury. MJF really should've relinquished the title since defending them in handicap matches is silly.
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Post by The Ichi on Nov 1, 2023 11:23:23 GMT -5
The one I agree with is the ROH tag titles. They booked themselves in a corner with MJF and Adam Cole winning them followed by Cole's injury. MJF really should've relinquished the title since defending them in handicap matches is silly. I actually like that since it confirms that MJF is genuine enough in his friendship with Cole that he'll defend the belts by himself. That's not something heel MJF would do.
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