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Post by Duke Cameron on Nov 11, 2024 23:26:30 GMT -5
The rest of Damage CTRL don’t even matter at this point.
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Post by PHD-FENDERBAUM on Nov 11, 2024 23:28:24 GMT -5
Interesting note regarding next week's RAW: {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}
Seems like the War Games teams are mostly set for the women. Liv, Raquel, Nia, Tiffany, and probably(?) Candice on the heel side.
Face side is Bianca, Jade, Naomi, Iyo, and a returning Rhea Ripley. {Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}
Question now is how does IYO play into this because you have to believe that Rhea is pinning Liv at WarGames ensuring her rematch...and getting the title back because now IYO definetly isn't winning the title yet...but maybe now it heightens her chances to win the rumble. |
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Post by asuka007 on Nov 11, 2024 23:36:44 GMT -5
Well that feels INCREDIBLY one-sided. ......so......if the Face team are the Avengers.....does that make Team Liv......HYDRA HYDRA were still far more competent and dangerous. Team HEEL are more like Team Rocket or something. |
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Post by Woo on Nov 11, 2024 23:49:02 GMT -5
They were pretty over in Grand Rapids tonight. Again, I think turning them face was the right call. So how exactly did they turn face? Haven't been watching and have no clue what's happening. By basically feuding against teams that were more hateable than them like MetaFour and the Fusion Collective. |
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Post by EoE: Workin On My Night Cheese on Nov 12, 2024 0:05:42 GMT -5
…Damage CTRL didn’t earn their face turn just like nearly every face turn, but you’ll never hear anyone say it. ☕️
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Post by Woo on Nov 12, 2024 0:15:09 GMT -5
…Damage CTRL didn’t earn their face turn just like nearly every face turn, but you’ll never hear anyone say it. ☕️ The earned it by being awesome, just like Ripley. |
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Post by EoE: Workin On My Night Cheese on Nov 12, 2024 0:23:04 GMT -5
…Damage CTRL didn’t earn their face turn just like nearly every face turn, but you’ll never hear anyone say it. ☕️ The earned it by being awesome, just like Ripley. I knew that, I meant more along the lines of “Have you made amends for your actions as heels, you know, like how we keep pestering them in regards to Reigns?”. |
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Post by Woo on Nov 12, 2024 0:34:16 GMT -5
The earned it by being awesome, just like Ripley. I knew that, I meant more along the lines of “Have you made amends for your actions as heels, you know, like how we keep pestering them in regards to Reigns?”. Ah yes. The argument against Reigns is even more baffling because him needing to apologize for his actions is literally a storyline currently. |
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Nov 12, 2024 0:38:54 GMT -5
Interesting note regarding next week's RAW: {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}
Seems like the War Games teams are mostly set for the women. Liv, Raquel, Nia, Tiffany, and probably(?) Candice on the heel side.
Face side is Bianca, Jade, Naomi, Iyo, and a returning Rhea Ripley. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}
Question now is how does IYO play into this because you have to believe that Rhea is pinning Liv at WarGames ensuring her rematch...and getting the title back because now IYO definetly isn't winning the title yet...but maybe now it heightens her chances to win the rumble. {Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}Yeah I think it's safe to say the babyface Women's Wargames winning streak isn't coming to an end this year. |
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Post by EoE: Workin On My Night Cheese on Nov 12, 2024 0:53:44 GMT -5
{Spoiler}Question now is how does IYO play into this because you have to believe that Rhea is pinning Liv at WarGames ensuring her rematch...and getting the title back because now IYO definetly isn't winning the title yet...but maybe now it heightens her chances to win the rumble. {Spoiler}Yeah I think it's safe to say the babyface Women's Wargames winning streak isn't coming to an end this year. {Spoiler}Pretty bananas that your heel team is going to have both singles champions, the MITB holder and a “teacher’s pet” hoss in Rodriguez (circumstances being what they are, she hasn’t had the sustained push yet but she hasn’t shaken off that label) plus one, and THEY’RE the underdogs, because the babyface team is three wrecking balls, the best worker in the entire division and Naomi). |
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Post by asuka007 on Nov 12, 2024 0:57:20 GMT -5
I knew that, I meant more along the lines of “Have you made amends for your actions as heels, you know, like how we keep pestering them in regards to Reigns?”. Ah yes. The argument against Reigns is even more baffling because him needing to apologize for his actions is literally a storyline currently. I think an argument CAN be made that, if they’re willing to make a story of it with Roman (and Jey Uso before him as well) and acknowledge their past crappiness. Then why are they so unwilling to do it elsewhere? It’s a good story after all. |
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Post by ayumidah on Nov 12, 2024 1:19:06 GMT -5
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Post by mistery on Nov 12, 2024 6:32:55 GMT -5
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Post by PHD-FENDERBAUM on Nov 12, 2024 9:27:48 GMT -5
Ah yes. The argument against Reigns is even more baffling because him needing to apologize for his actions is literally a storyline currently. I think an argument CAN be made that, if they’re willing to make a story of it with Roman (and Jey Uso before him as well) and acknowledge their past crappiness. Then why are they so unwilling to do it elsewhere? It’s a good story after all. Too much effort for them to provide reason to actions for all stories. Like Bayley should be throwing a fit right now that her bestie Naomi is now teaming with the woman who booted her out of her own faction. But IYO and Bianca have always kind of had a mutual respect despite their past...Bianca has always hated Bayley though and I appreciated she isn't just chumy with Bayley even now and you can argue that is the common ground with IYO and Bianca they both hate Bayley. |
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Post by schma on Nov 12, 2024 9:42:52 GMT -5
Bianca is such a hypocrite. How so? The earned it by being awesome, just like Ripley. I knew that, I meant more along the lines of “Have you made amends for your actions as heels, you know, like how we keep pestering them in regards to Reigns?”. While you make a good point about making amends, I think part of the reason you're hearing people calling for it with Roman but not so much with Damage Ctrl comes down partly to the impact of their respective heel runs. For most of their heel run, Damage Ctrl were cannon fodder for Bianca. She was regularly beating down 3 or 4 of them solo. So yeah, they did some heel stuff, but they were mostly ineffective (though they did manage some title runs). That said, there should have been something beyond they're face because they're feuding with heels now.
On the other hand Tribal Chief Roman dominated his show for several years, often eating up 1/4 to 1/2 of the show. His crew injured people and constantly cheated to keep him on top at the expense of all top guys and up and comers. His heel run was longer than Damage Ctrl and far more brutal. The bloodline created so much bad will that Jey had to do an entire tour for his face turn. He had to win the people he had wronged over and Roman was always so much worse than him. The gaslighting alone made Roman so much worse. But so did his masterminding those injuries they caused and so much else.
Now, Roman shows up and of course Jimmmy is right there kissing his heels. Jey had a segment or two of blowing him off before ultimately teaming with him again. Sami shows up and asks only one thing, that Roman apologise to Jey. Roman says nope and Sami helps him anyways and is now going to wargames with him. The whole time Roman has made it clear that he has not changed and that he doesn't feel bad about the horrendous things he did. Meanwhile, 2 of the guys who finally broke away from him after tons of abuse have just fallen right back in line with next to no effort from Roman to win them over.
All that said, I do agree that Damage Ctrl should have had something for a face turn.
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Post by asuka007 on Nov 12, 2024 9:58:25 GMT -5
Bianca is such a hypocrite. How so? I knew that, I meant more along the lines of “Have you made amends for your actions as heels, you know, like how we keep pestering them in regards to Reigns?”. While you make a good point about making amends, I think part of the reason you're hearing people calling for it with Roman but not so much with Damage Ctrl comes down partly to the impact of their respective heel runs. For most of their heel run, Damage Ctrl were cannon fodder for Bianca. She was regularly beating down 3 or 4 of them solo. So yeah, they did some heel stuff, but they were mostly ineffective (though they did manage some title runs). That said, there should have been something beyond they're face because they're feuding with heels now.
On the other hand Tribal Chief Roman dominated his show for several years, often eating up 1/4 to 1/2 of the show. His crew injured people and constantly cheated to keep him on top at the expense of all top guys and up and comers. His heel run was longer than Damage Ctrl and far more brutal. The bloodline created so much bad will that Jey had to do an entire tour for his face turn. He had to win the people he had wronged over and Roman was always so much worse than him. The gaslighting alone made Roman so much worse. But so did his masterminding those injuries they caused and so much else.
Now, Roman shows up and of course Jimmmy is right there kissing his heels. Jey had a segment or two of blowing him off before ultimately teaming with him again. Sami shows up and asks only one thing, that Roman apologise to Jey. Roman says nope and Sami helps him anyways and is now going to wargames with him. The whole time Roman has made it clear that he has not changed and that he doesn't feel bad about the horrendous things he did. Meanwhile, 2 of the guys who finally broke away from him after tons of abuse have just fallen right back in line with next to no effort from Roman to win them over.
All that said, I do agree that Damage Ctrl should have had something for a face turn.
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Post by gl83 on Nov 12, 2024 10:20:24 GMT -5
Bayley stay bein a player hater this why yo giant ass not being picked for the dodgeball team this year lol. |
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Post by schma on Nov 12, 2024 10:30:15 GMT -5
How so? While you make a good point about making amends, I think part of the reason you're hearing people calling for it with Roman but not so much with Damage Ctrl comes down partly to the impact of their respective heel runs. For most of their heel run, Damage Ctrl were cannon fodder for Bianca. She was regularly beating down 3 or 4 of them solo. So yeah, they did some heel stuff, but they were mostly ineffective (though they did manage some title runs). That said, there should have been something beyond they're face because they're feuding with heels now.
On the other hand Tribal Chief Roman dominated his show for several years, often eating up 1/4 to 1/2 of the show. His crew injured people and constantly cheated to keep him on top at the expense of all top guys and up and comers. His heel run was longer than Damage Ctrl and far more brutal. The bloodline created so much bad will that Jey had to do an entire tour for his face turn. He had to win the people he had wronged over and Roman was always so much worse than him. The gaslighting alone made Roman so much worse. But so did his masterminding those injuries they caused and so much else.
Now, Roman shows up and of course Jimmmy is right there kissing his heels. Jey had a segment or two of blowing him off before ultimately teaming with him again. Sami shows up and asks only one thing, that Roman apologise to Jey. Roman says nope and Sami helps him anyways and is now going to wargames with him. The whole time Roman has made it clear that he has not changed and that he doesn't feel bad about the horrendous things he did. Meanwhile, 2 of the guys who finally broke away from him after tons of abuse have just fallen right back in line with next to no effort from Roman to win them over.
All that said, I do agree that Damage Ctrl should have had something for a face turn.
She’s been giving Bayley crap all year. But is totally cool with Iyo apparently. They may play up the tension later. Though they could also go the direction that Iyo and Bianca have fought each other several times when Iyo was fighting solo despite having Damage Ctrl and now she has Bianca's respect. As trite as it is, wait and see probably applies here to see why she didn't seem to mind Iyo there. |
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Post by clc on Nov 12, 2024 12:43:07 GMT -5
Damage CTRl (IYO, Dakota, and Kairi) were never too "evil". Minor annoyances at best. Bayley and Asuka were evil.
Most of the bad actions Damage CTRL took were against Bayley, who had it coming. Bayley coming out the face in that story is what made no sense. Bayley really needed to do some amends.
The other person Damage CTRL wronged was Bianca, but they were so pathetic compared to her. What are they going to say? "Hey Bianca sorry you hurt your fist caving our faces in repeatedly for 2 years".
When Asuka comes back, she probably won't make any amends. Her career has her as chaotic neutral. The only consistent character trait she has is that she likes Kairi.
If they are setting up a War Games team, I think Bayley makes more sense than IYO. Naomi does the convincing since she is friends with both Bayley and Bianca. I guess they still need a 5th member. I did not open the spoiler posts, so if there is a 5th member, I don't know who it is. Maybe it is Bayley?
The heel side of War Games makes no sense either. Nia and Tifferson were feuding with Raquel and Liv, so them teaming up needs some splainin'. Not sure who the 5th heel could be? Chelsea or Piper? A PFC?
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Post by tenshi on Nov 12, 2024 14:53:52 GMT -5
Bianca is such a hypocrite. How so? I knew that, I meant more along the lines of “Have you made amends for your actions as heels, you know, like how we keep pestering them in regards to Reigns?”. While you make a good point about making amends, I think part of the reason you're hearing people calling for it with Roman but not so much with Damage Ctrl comes down partly to the impact of their respective heel runs. For most of their heel run, Damage Ctrl were cannon fodder for Bianca. She was regularly beating down 3 or 4 of them solo. So yeah, they did some heel stuff, but they were mostly ineffective (though they did manage some title runs). That said, there should have been something beyond they're face because they're feuding with heels now. On the other hand Tribal Chief Roman dominated his show for several years, often eating up 1/4 to 1/2 of the show. His crew injured people and constantly cheated to keep him on top at the expense of all top guys and up and comers. His heel run was longer than Damage Ctrl and far more brutal. The bloodline created so much bad will that Jey had to do an entire tour for his face turn. He had to win the people he had wronged over and Roman was always so much worse than him. The gaslighting alone made Roman so much worse. But so did his masterminding those injuries they caused and so much else. Now, Roman shows up and of course Jimmmy is right there kissing his heels. Jey had a segment or two of blowing him off before ultimately teaming with him again. Sami shows up and asks only one thing, that Roman apologise to Jey. Roman says nope and Sami helps him anyways and is now going to wargames with him. The whole time Roman has made it clear that he has not changed and that he doesn't feel bad about the horrendous things he did. Meanwhile, 2 of the guys who finally broke away from him after tons of abuse have just fallen right back in line with next to no effort from Roman to win them over. All that said, I do agree that Damage Ctrl should have had something for a face turn.
So the original Bloodline coming back together makes no sense unless they undo everyone else's motivations to help Roman. |
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